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Bowl Projections 2011: The BCS Chaos Theory, SEC Seedings and Likely Opponents

In lieu of Topics for Discussion today.

The 2011 college football regular season ended the same way it lived: In a cloud of chaos, controversy and utter confusion. So what does that mean for the SEC teams when it comes to their postseason destinations?

The following post is going to get a little bit messy, because I'm going to try to game out all of the likely scenarios. My final guess at what this means for now -- or at least my final guess until the voting results start getting announced tomorrow -- is at the very end of this post, if you're the kind of person that skips to the end of the book to see what happens. But I find the process almost as intriguing as the results.

It all hinges on two critical questions: Does Alabama or Oklahoma State get the final spot in the national championship game? And do Michigan and TCU make it to No. 14 and No. 16, respectively, which is what the Wolverines need to be eligible for an at-large bid and what TCU needs to secure an automatic bid?

Fun BCS chaos theory first. I'm very conflicted about the merits of a rematch -- I've said before that I'm against rematches on principle, but I have to say that the thought of having two SEC teams in the BCS Championship Game is exciting. In any case, I'm pretty sure that that's the likeliest scenario right now. But I also agree with something Year2 said Saturday on Twitter: The voters have yet to actually have to vote on whether they want a rematch. That could change everything.

Star-divide

We'll do both scenarios, just to be on the safe side. First of all, Stanford becomes a lock at the No. 4 spot in the rematch scenario, because the BCS rules say a non-champ No. 3 or, if one is not there, No. 4 from an AQ league gets an automatic bid. The Sugar looks at the rankings -- with Oregon, Wisconsin, Oklahoma State and Clemson already off the board -- and picks Michigan. If Michigan doesn't make the Top 14, it gets dicier; the only way I see that happening is if Oklahoma stays in the Top 14, so they might go with Oklahoma instead.

Next, the Fiesta gets its next pick. There's not much to choose from. Stanford, TCU and West Virginia are locked in, and there are only three spots left. The Fiesta has to take one of them, and it goes with Stanford. The Sugar takes TCU and the Orange is left with ACC vs. Big East, Part 95.

BCS National Championship Game: LSU vs. Alabama
Rose Bowl: Oregon vs. Wisconsin
Fiesta Bowl: Oklahoma State vs. Stanford
Sugar Bowl: Michigan vs. TCU
Orange Bowl: Clemson vs. West Virginia

If Oklahoma State goes to the national championship game, though, the wheels kind of fall off of all the expectations. First of all, Alabama takes the automatic bid that would go to Stanford at No. 4 under our first scenario. (That clause is moot if the No. 3 team isn't a conference champion, because the slot then goes to the No. 3 team.) After the Sugar Bowl takes Bama to fill in for LSU, the Fiesta Bowl gets two picks in a row (last compensation pick, first at-large selection under rules).

That's an interesting situation for the Fiesta Bowl to be in. The teams that make the most sense are Stanford, Kansas State, Michigan and TCU -- all of whom I expect to be eligible and/or autobidded. My guess is that the Fiesta wants to take Michigan for the same reason that the Sugar Bowl would want to, and the last thing the Fiesta wants to do is infuriate the Rose Bowl by taking Stanford. The choice between TCU and Kansas State is close, but the Fiesta goes with the Wildcats.

That chain reaction puts TCU in the Sugar Bowl with Alabama, which the New Orleans game can bill as Alabama's shot at avenging 2008. And the Orange Bowl still gets stuck with the ACC and Big East winners.

BCS National Championship Game: LSU vs. Oklahoma State
Rose Bowl: Oregon vs. Wisconsin
Fiesta Bowl: Kansas State vs. Michigan
Sugar Bowl: Alabama vs. TCU
Orange Bowl: Clemson vs. West Virginia

The caveat is that if Michigan misses the Top 14 cut, the Fiesta goes with Oklahoma and muddies the water a lot. In that case, they might go with Stanford against Oklahoma. Everything else remains the same.

What if TCU doesn't qualify? Under the Bama-to-the-title-game scenario, I would think the Sugar probably takes Oklahoma or Baylor, depending on which is available. The Sooners would have the upper hand based on marketing power. If Oklahoma State is the one facing LSU in the title game, it's probably Stanford.

What if both TCU and Michigan are out? Then I think you get something like this.

BCS National Championship Game: LSU vs. Alabama
Rose Bowl: Oregon vs. Wisconsin
Fiesta Bowl: Oklahoma State vs. Stanford
Sugar Bowl: Oklahoma vs. Boise State
Orange Bowl: Clemson vs. West Virginia

OR

BCS National Championship Game: LSU vs. Oklahoma State
Rose Bowl: Oregon vs. Wisconsin
Fiesta Bowl: Oklahoma vs. Stanford
Sugar Bowl: Alabama vs. Boise State
Orange Bowl: Clemson vs. West Virginia

Really, if you look at the choices the Sugar Bowl has in either of those scenarios, they're not pretty. The New Orleans bowl is almost stuck with Boise State because of the teams that are eliminated.

Now, what about the other SEC bowl teams? There are seven, which means that they will go to the top seven non-BCS bowls. Those are:

Capital One Bowl: Gets the third selection no matter what.
Cotton Bowl: Gets the first selection from the SEC West after the Cap One OR the second selection out of the SEC East.
Outback Bowl: Gets the first selection from the SEC East after the Cap One OR the second selection out of the SEC West.
Chick-fil-A Bowl: Next pick
Gator Bowl: Next pick
Music City Bowl: Next pick
Liberty / BBVA Compass: Share next two picks in consultation with the SEC office.

The Capital One Bowl's thinking is the mystery in all of this. Does it go with a Georgia team that was excited to win the SEC East but got clobbered in the title game? A Top 10 Arkansas team with fans maybe disappointed at how the season ended? Or a South Carolina team that had the best season in 27 years but didn't win the SEC East title many fans were hoping for?

I think they go Arkansas, setting up this scenario:

Capital One: Arkansas
Outback: Georgia
Cotton: South Carolina
Chick-fil-A: Auburn
Gator: Florida
Music City: Vanderbilt
Liberty: Mississippi State

There are two more scenarios for the top three bowls, though. With Georgia in the Capital One Bowl instead, the Cotton takes Arkansas and the Outback takes South Carolina. With South Carolina in Orlando, the Cotton takes Arkansas and the Outback takes Georgia. All of that is subject to the massive caveat that the Outback is completely insane and might offer its SEC spot to Ole Miss. Really.

Regardless, the Big East is basically guaranteed an SEC matchup in the Compass Bowl -- which ain't getting on this year -- or, failing that, in the Liberty Bowl. That pushes out Southern Miss and leads to this for your matchups IF Michigan is eligible for the BCS.

Capital One: Arkansas vs. Michigan State
Outback: Georgia vs. Nebraska
Cotton: South Carolina vs. Oklahoma
Chick-fil-A: Auburn vs. Virginia Tech
Gator: Florida vs. Penn State
Music City: Vanderbilt vs. Virginia
Liberty: Mississippi State vs. Cincinnati

If Michigan isn't eligible for the BCS, it probably looks something like this.

Capital One: Arkansas vs. Michigan
Outback: Georgia vs. Michigan State
Cotton: South Carolina vs. Baylor (remember, I think Oklahoma is probably BCS-bound if Michigan isn't)
Chick-fil-A: Auburn vs. Virginia Tech
Gator: Florida vs. Nebraska
Music City: Vanderbilt vs. Virginia
Liberty: Mississippi State vs. Cincinnati

For the record, the Liberty Bowl apparently thinks that it will get Vanderbilt and perhaps Cincinnati. I think they're going to be disappointed, but in that case, it would be Mississippi State against Virginia in the Music City Bowl.

To untangle all of that and go with what I really think will happen: I'm almost as torn on the Oklahoma State-Alabama question in realpolitik as I am on the merits. But I'll go with Bama for now.

BCS National Championship Game: LSU vs. Alabama
Rose Bowl: Oregon vs. Wisconsin
Fiesta Bowl: Oklahoma State vs. Stanford
Sugar Bowl: Michigan vs. TCU
Orange Bowl: Clemson vs. West Virginia
Capital One: Arkansas vs. Michigan State
Outback: Georgia vs. Nebraska
Cotton: South Carolina vs. Oklahoma
Chick-fil-A: Auburn vs. Virginia Tech
Gator: Florida vs. Penn State
Music City: Vanderbilt vs. Virginia
Liberty: Mississippi State vs. Cincinnati

That's your official prediction for the time being. I'll update tomorrow as the polls begin to roll out.

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Argh...

…..looks like we Auburn types will be glued to the screen on New Year’s Eve, instead of the usual fireworks and celebrations. Boo.

…..I don’t think non-champions of their conference should be in the BCS Title Game. But there’s no rule against that. Let’s face it. Either LSU or Bama would blow the doors off Okie State. The cowboys would keep it close for a half. Then they’d get torn apart in epic fashion after I had hit the sack in early January.

…..If you want an entertaining BCS Title game, it’s going to be Bama and LSU.

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by Acid Reign on Dec 4, 2025 2:48 AM EST reply actions  

I think this is a different case than the past couple of times a non-conference champ went to the NC.

Why can’t the two best teams be from the same conference? And if they can, only one can win the conference. Now in the case of Oklahoma and Nebraska, the conference champion wasn’t number one, so I don’t think they deserved to go. But I think this situation is a bit different.

by jsholt969 on Dec 4, 2025 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Thoughts:

*I’m on the Oklahoma State for the NC bandwagon now. I’ve been saying Alabama unless OSU wins Bedlam convincingly, and they convinced me.

*Stanford gets royally screwed over in that second scenario. Does the Fiesta wanting to ingratiate themselves to the Rose really entail picking K-State over Stanford? Wow.

*Note to Capital One: please, please, please, please, please, please, please pick Georgia. I want to see Arkansas play Oklahoma. I think this would be an amazing game, and probably one of the best matchups the Cotton has had in years. But the Capital One has to help make it happen.

*I thought the Liberty Bowl took the CUSA champ? Has that changed?

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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 4, 2025 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

also

it sucks that Michigan is likely BCS bound while Michigan State isn’t. Sparty actually beat Michigan, and it’s not like they embarrassed themselves in the championship game.

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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 4, 2025 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

There's a clause in the Big East's contract with the Compass and Liberty that people were overlooking

McMurphy of CBS is the first person I saw that pointed it out. If the SEC does not have enough teams to send one to the Compass Bowl, then the Big East gets the CUSA spot in the Liberty.

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by cocknfire on Dec 4, 2025 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

okay. thanks. and then the CUSA goes to the Compass? or just fills holes somewhere?

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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 4, 2025 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

It's been widely reported over the course of the week that the Cap One will pick South Carolina.

Arkansas to the Cotton, Georgia to the Outback.

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by Gamecock Man on Dec 4, 2025 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

oh, nice

please give us an Arkansas/Oklahoma Cotton Bowl!

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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 4, 2025 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

huh

I was expecting Carolina/Nebraska in the Outback. Think the ’Huskers get picked over Sparty?

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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 4, 2025 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Michigan State went last year and got killed,

The way they lost the Big Ten is likely to further depress the fan base. Plus, the Orlando bowl hasn’t had Nebraska since 93 or so, and they are said to be excited about the chance to get the Cornhuskers.

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by GwinnettGamecock on Dec 4, 2025 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

sounds reasonable

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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 4, 2025 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

USC banned from bowl games

The team was banned from participating in all NCAA bowl games for the 2010 and 2011 seasons

by allen_texas_hog on Dec 4, 2025 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

woops

I got confused with USC from the SEC and USC from the pac 12

by allen_texas_hog on Dec 4, 2025 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

but seriously, as a hog fan

would Arkansas/Oklahoma in Dallas not be completely awesome? Totally better than Arkansas/B1G in Orlando?

Am I the only one pining away for this potential Cotton Bowl?

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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 4, 2025 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm the opposite

But only because, as much as I would love a chance to go see South Carolina play here in Florida, I’m tired of playing bowl games in Georgia and Florida. Would like a chance to see team in Cotton Bowl against Big 12 opponent

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by cocknfire on Dec 4, 2025 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

but you're a Carolina fan

I understand the Georgia/Florida game fatigue, and I understand wanting to match strengths with what is very likely a better opponent in Dallas than you’d get in Orlando or Tampa. I started to feel that as a Vol fan after just two straight trips to the Outback in 2006 or 2007 (which I’d like back about now), and it was nice having a pair of Cotton Bowl trips last decade.

But I can’t understand an Arkansas fan pining for a matchup with Sparty or Nebraska in Orlando when they could get Oklahoma in Dallas. [If K-State goes to Dallas instead, then it all makes sense.]

And as a neutral, I want the Arky/Okie game

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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 4, 2025 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Real Bowl Games

I have a different spin. Just because you win a conference championship doesn’t mean you should automatically qualify for the BCS. I think the voters in all polls should be transparent to help eliminate bias and expose voters that clearly have a hidden agenda. I also don’t think teams that play in a weak conference like TCU, Boise St. and Houston should be in the BCS unless they go undefeated and have 2-3 quality wins against teams from the SEC, Big 12, PAC 12 and Big 10.
I think the top 10 teams after the regular season and conference games should be considered for BCS games first. It is absurd to hear, “if this team or that team can just make it inside the top 14 they are in”. Top Bowl games should be played against top performing teams. If you don’t have that kind of system then it is all a sham. If you’re in the top 10 and get boxed out of the best bowls you punish the players that got them there. This is the current top 12 teams according to the AP and USA polls. I arranged them the way I see it as a fan.
LSU/Alabama
Oklahoma St./Stanford
Oregon/Arkansas
Boise St./Wisconsin
South Carolina/Kansas St.
Michigan St./Clemson

by allen_texas_hog on Dec 4, 2025 1:33 PM EST reply actions  


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