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Is the LSU-Alabama Loser Really Out of the National Title Race?

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Just a refresher on the games of the magnitude of this week's LSU-Alabama game.

  • November 16, 2025 – Miami 17, Florida St. 16
  • November 13, 2025 – Notre Dame 31, Florida St. 24
  • November 30, 2025 – Florida St. 24, Florida 21
  • November 18, 2025 – Ohio St. 42, Michigan 39

Those are the last four November meetings between numbers 1 and 2. All among the greatest games in college football history. All with incredibly high stakes (though only Miami would actually manage to win the national title among the winners, while two losers would of these games would rebound to win). This is the expectation that LSU and Alabama are stepping into. Anything less than a classic is a disappointment. That is the subtext for the next No. 1 vs. No. 2 November game. Luckily for us, it takes place this Saturday.

Previous entries: The Higher Stakes for LSU on Saturday

Is the loser out of the national championship chase?

Look again at those four games listed at the top. Some would say bizarrely, others can come up with a litany of legitimate reasons -- whatever the case, two of the four LOSERS in the previous four November No. 1 vs. No. 2 games won the national championship. Knowing that, is the loser really out of the chase? Here, I'll take a look at the the two No. 1 vs. No. 2 loser national champs and the prospects for both Alabama and LSU should they lose Saturday night.

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1993 Florida State: Bobby Bowden's first national championship team is one of the more controversial in the modern era. Or at least it should be. It isn't because the team that got screwed was Notre Dame and pretty much everyone likes to see Notre Dame get screwed. Remember that Notre Dame lost the next week and ran the table. Both teams finished with one loss, but Florida State got the national championship from the poll voters as a present for Bobby Bowden, who many thought wouldn't coach for too much longer at that point (how wrong they were). That doesn't change the fact that if voters voted then like they do today, Notre Dame would likely have won the national championship by virtue of the head-to-head victory. Also, Notre Dame losing the very next week allowed many voters to throw the win over Florida State out as a fluke victory (even though the loss to Boston College the next week was a lot more fluky). For LSU or Alabama, winning the championship in this scenario is near impossible. For one thing, there was no BCS in those days. It was still a novelty to have the top two ranked teams play each other in the bowl game, and these two were actually ranked one and four as Florida State was ranked in front of undefeated Nebraska and Notre Dame was also behind undefeated West Virginia (undefeated and probation-saddled Auburn was number 5). Given the way voters vote now though, head-to-head takes more precedence as does being undefeated. It is likely that Nebraska would have been the top ranked team, followed by West Virginia in the two slot. What this means though, is that the loser is likely out of the race barring two losses by the winner before the SEC Championship game since the voters want conference championships as well (see 2007 Georgia being jumped).

1996 Florida: The more likely scenario if the LSU-Alabama loser is indeed still in the race, as this team got a rematch in the championship after losing in the regular season. Still, it comes with some major differences from what this season's loser will face. For one thing, Florida still had a conference championship, as they lost a non-conference game. For another, they had good fortune. 1996 Florida was placed in the top bowl game because the Rose Bowl, Pac-10 and Big Ten were not yet in the BCS. Just to get the rematch there even with the Pac-10 and Big Ten champions unavailable, Florida still needed a massive upset, which they go when five-loss Texas upset two-time defending national champion Nebraska in the Big 12 Championship Game. In addition, the Gators watched fourth-ranked Ohio State beat second-ranked Arizona State in the Rose Bowl, leaving the door open. Based on what happened in 2006, the loser here will need a similar run of good fortune to even have a chance. In particular, a two-loss Big 12 champion, one-loss champ in the Pac-12 and Boise State taking a loss are going to be needed (a one-loss SEC team gets the nod for the title game over Boise unless taking that team would cause a rematch). In other words, like the case was with Florida, there needs to be no other viable option.

If LSU loses? The Tigers are most likely cooked. Unless you believe Alabama is going to lose to both Mississippi State and Auburn (and anyone who actually believes this is far more delusional than any Auburn fan I personally know, and I went to Auburn), there is just no way for LSU to make the ground up. The way the voters vote has changed since 1993 and 1996. If they still voted now like they voted then, all LSU would need is all the remaining undefeated teams to lose while not falling behind Oklahoma and Oregon after losing. That isn't the world we are in any longer.

If Alabama loses? Things are more interesting. Obviously, LSU needs to lose to open the door. But if that loss comes to Arkansas and all finish 11-1, we are headed to a 3-way tiebreaker. Given the way the voters voted in 2008 in the Big 12 South tiebreaker and the way they have historically voted, Alabama gets the nod there. In 2008, the team that won by the biggest margin got the vote. That was Oklahoma. Here, that would likely be Alabama, given that they beat Arkansas by 24 points.

Going further back to 1993, the bias would be in favor of the preseason vote. Alabama was ranked higher in the preseason. It's just hard for voters to admit they were wrong. One way that happens (and it happened to some degree in 2008 as well) is by voting for the team that was ranked higher to start with. That was Alabama, even if LSU passed them early in the season.

So given what we know, is the loser out of the race? Most likely. It would take an incredible string of upsets to give the loser a chance to get back in the race, except in one scenario. Also, for those who want a rematch, it won't happen. Historically, it hasn't happened, even in situations where it might have been warranted, without extraordinary circumstances. Given what we know about the rest of college football this season, those kind of extraordinary circumstances seem highly unlikely.

What this also means: Saturday night's loser is done.

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I don't want to see a rematch.

No matter who wins Saturday, let’s make it a done deal.

Better to die happy than to live miserably.

by artiger on Nov 2, 2025 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

None of the above

Loser isn’t out until the season is finished. A rematch won’t happen, but there’s no guarantee the winner of this game finishes the season undefeated.

-There’s the scenario where LSU, Bama, and Ark all finish 11-1, in which case Bama may get the nod over LSU to the title game, since their loss would have been earlier & it would depend on BCS rankings.

-There’s the scenario where the winner finishes with two losses. Bama finishes at Miss St and Auburn, and while I’m not betting on either to make it close, much less win, stranger things have happened.

In both cases the loser would be 11-1, and assuming they won the SEC title game, would have a strong case for a chance at a national championship.

by starry on Nov 2, 2025 10:52 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The less likely (but still mathematically possible) scenario

The winner of LSU vs Alabama loses a non-conference game, but with an undefeated conference record still makes the championship game. This is, of course, a hilarious flight of fancy (Western Kentucy over LSU? Georgia Southern over UA?), but it’s still possible. In which case, could the loser hop over the winner, despite not even winning the division? This is, of course, assuming a 2007-esque breakdown among the other conference champions.

Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer Give 'Em HELL Alabama!

by RoscoeOfAlabama on Nov 2, 2025 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually

if LSU, Bama, and Arkansas all end up 11-1, Arkansas’s loss would have been earlier (@ Alabama on Sept. 24). If (and this is a BIG IF) Arkansas, LSU and Alabama all end up 11-1 then the Hogs may end up the higher ranked team.

The hypothetical:

  1. LSU goes to #2 Alabama this week and wins. LSU stays at #1 and Alabama drops to #5
  2. Arkansas beats #10 S.Car this week and either stays at #7 or moves up to #6.

If LSU wins out up to the last week they will stay at #1. Alabama would stay around #5 if they win out (including the season ender vs a top 25 ranked Auburn. Then if a #6 or so Arkansas goes down to Baton Rogue and pulls the upset of #1 LSU that possibly would drop LSU to around #5 (ahead of Alabama) and possibly put Arkansas #4. That would leave the BCS poll looking something like this going into the SEC Championship game:

1-Oklahoma State (plays OU on Dec 3, same day as SECC)
2-Stanford (if they beat Oregon) or Oregon (if they beat Stanford)
3-BSU (I don’t like them ranked this high as they don’t deserve it)
4-Arkansas
5-Oklahoma
6-LSU
7-Alabama
8-Clemson
9-Penn State

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by TX_HogFan on Nov 2, 2025 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think they'd rank us ahead of Bama/LSU

Even in some bizarro world where LSU beats Bama and we beat LSU as badly as Bama beat us, the voters are going to look at how we got those 11 wins and say, “Yeah, these other two teams are better.”

by starry on Nov 2, 2025 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are right

On some level, preseason expectation comes into play. Arkansas wasn’t expected to be National Title good while LSU and Alabama were.

Also, the Arkansas big non-conference win over Texas A&M doesn’t look nearly as good as LSU’s wins over Oregon and West Virginia and Alabama’s win over Penn St.

Remember that in the Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech fiasco in 2008, Oklahoma’s non-conference wins over BIg East Champ Cincinnati and 10-2 TCU played a big role in them winning that tiebreaker.

by aubievegas on Nov 2, 2025 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Bama loses, they're done (imo)

Losing a game like this at home will not earn you another shot, and it’s unlikely LSU loses to either Ole Miss or Arkansas, and Arkansas will most likely have another loss. So the head to head will still get the winner of this game in the SEC Championship Game.

The more likely scenario for the loser getting in (barring a rematch) would be for the winner to be upset in the SEC Championship Game and the loser to slip by them. LSU is the more likely candidate here with the stronger overall scedule (and perceived to be even more so).

But the most likely scenario for the loser is in fact a rematch. If LSU loses close on the road to Bama, OU beats Okie State, and Oregon beats Stanford and wins the Pac-12 Championship Game, you’d have a 1-loss LSU vs. 1-loss Oregon (who LSU beat handily) vs. 1-loss Stanford (who would have lost to Oregon) vs. 1-loss OU (with a history of choking away BCS games) vs. a 1-loss Okie State (who would have lost to OU and not even won its division, just like LSU) vs. undefeated Boise State (who is still looking for a second game this season). Aside from the LSU loss to Bama, this is precisely how I see the season ending up. LSU would be unlikely to emerge from this mess as the #2 team for a rematch with Bama, but it’s the most likely scenario (imo) for a loser of this game to make it to the National Championship Game.

At LSU —
Miles with Saban-recruited players on the roster: 79.2% win rate
Miles with no Saban-recruited players on the roster: 90.5% win rate
Saban with DiNardo-recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate
Saban with all Saban recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate

by King Joey on Nov 2, 2025 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

The problem with comparing this #1 versus #2 matchup to others is that the others were inter-conference matchups

The only exception was the OSU-Michigan game and in that case the loser sat home at the end of the year. I think we’ve seen that the voters are not going to allow any rematches of conference opponents. See what happened in 2006. Florida was consciously placed over Michigan that year. Also, they will no longer allow teams that didn’t win their conference to make the title game in any event after Nebraska got destroyed in 2001. They had a shot to put a non-conference champion that was ranked higher in the title game in 2007 with UGA and they didn’t do it. That’s why some UGA fans say they got screwed that year.

I’m happy with all that reasoning by the way. I don’t see any reason why a team that didn’t win its conference should get a shot to play for a national title. It would be different if we had a playoff, but we don’t. I think it would be a greater injustice to place a team that didn’t win its conference into the championship game than it is to select the top 2 teams without a playoff system. If we are going to go by regular season results then we need to stick with them rather than making arbitrary conclusions on who is better and who isn’t. At least requiring a team to win its conference is in some fashion a way of “settling it on the field.”

I don’t want the loser of this game to have another shot. Sure, I’d love for Bama to get to the title game, but if we don’t win the conference I don’t want to see it. It would feel tainted even if we did win the thing.

If you get beat by a team in the regular season then you have no justification in asking for a rematch. You had your shot and you lost so better luck next year. I also don’t think it’s fair to the winner of the game either. You shouldn’t have to beat a team twice to win a national championship.

I don’t really know what to say for the 1996 rematch of Florida and FSU. I don’t remember all the details, but I can only reason that because the 2 teams were in different conferences that the idea was not immediately ruled out. I also imagine they were the only 2 teams that had any legitimate claim to be in a “title game.” I also believe that was pre-BCS so you have to remember that voters take much more care in who they vote into the title game now because no other team has a chance to win the title other than BCS #1 and #2. That wasn’t always true in the past.

by AllTideUp on Nov 3, 2025 12:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Just to clear up the 1996 rematch, it was pre-BCS and therefore undefeated and number 2 ranked Arizona St. and one-loss and number 4 Ohio St. were contractually bound to the Rose Bowl. Nobody else from the major conferences had less than 2 losses and 1 loss BYU from the Super WAC was number 5. There were literally no other choices to be made after Nebraska was upset in the Big 12 Title Game

by aubievegas on Nov 3, 2025 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I figured it was something like that.

My memory of those days is a little fuzzy as I was only really concerned with how Bama’s seasons turned out at the time.

OSU beat Arizona St in that game didn’t they? Was there a reason that OSU did not get a share of that title?

by AllTideUp on Nov 4, 2025 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

OSU's loss was at home to 3-loss Michigan

And that 3-loss Michigan became 4-loss Michigan in the bowl game. It really was an epic choke for OSU to lose that game.

I only remember it so well because I was following the Big Ten to see who we got in the Rose Bowl (grew up in LA as a Pac-10 fan). I didn’t get to Auburn until 2001.

by aubievegas on Nov 4, 2025 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cooper's OSU teams always had trouble against Carr's Michigan teams

If I remember correctly, that was probably the biggest reason they made the switch to Jim Tressell.

by AllTideUp on Nov 5, 2025 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

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