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With Due Respect to Rick Reilly

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(But not really.)

So, I can understand the need to defend the counter-argument in a debate. To at least mention the other possibilities. But in his ESPN article all Rick Reilly really did was make the case for a non-LSU Alabama rematch in the worst possible way. While there's the real possibility that this was the end-goal, well... Let's just look at his argument, shall we?

But that's not why there should be no Dullapalooza II on Jan. 9 in the Superdome. There shouldn't be one because it makes the BCS honchos liars. This is their Twitter handle: @EveryGameCounts. But how can every game count if it doesn't matter who won the first one?

Whom would I rather see? Any team that hasn't already blown its chance.

I can understand the rational of not wanting to see a rematch in the national title game of a regular-season game. It almost happened a few years ago with Ohio State and Michigan, and we can all agree that choosing "no" to them was a good idea. What's to say that this year wouldn't be the same, with one of several teams that Reilly puts forwards beating LSU, and someone else drubbing Alabama. Heck, LSU could probably lose to Georgia on Saturday and still be in the National Title game. Is that a problem?

No. Because, as Rick Reilly mentions in his article, every other team has blown their chance.

Star-divide

Can we take a moment to laugh at the candidates he puts forwards?

What about Stanford-LSU? Like the Houndstooths, the Cardinal only have one loss, theirs to an Oregon team faster than 4G.

[Alabama] won't even have won their SEC division, much less their conference. Yet they could wind up petting the crystal football.

The most shallow of the arguments: proposing a one-loss team that isn't playing in it's conference championship game that was taken to three overtimes in one game, lost by 23 in another, and beat a 7-5 Cal team by three, the last two of those "blemishes" at home... over a one-loss team that isn't playing in it's conference championship team and has beaten every team outside of the #1 team (who they took to overtime) by double digits? Oh, and Alabama has beaten 4 teams then ranked in the top-25 to Stanford's 2? Funny, Ricky, funny.

What about LSU-Virginia Tech? The Hokies' only loss was to Clemson, which they could avenge Saturday in the ACC title game.

I can't help but wonder if he's right, here: beating a team that you lost at home by 20 -- a team that's gone 1-3 in their past four games, with average margins of defeat of 20 -- certainly makes you more deserving than the #2 team in the nation. Especially when you play in the ACC and they in the SEC. No, Virginia Tech has a better chance of selling it's allotment of championship game tickets this weekend than playing in the national championship -- and for good reason, too.

Or LSU vs. one-loss Boise State? The Broncos fell to TCU by just one point. You SEC fans remember Boise State, right? It went down south in Week 1 and beat Georgia? Georgia, the team that's one win from claiming your most holy and exalted SEC title?

Let's be clear: Georgia could very well be the SEC champions and watch two SEC teams play in the national championship. But let's be honest: a win by Georgia on Saturday would go down as beyond crazy: the bulldogs are a 14 point underdog. That's 11 more points they're expected to lose by than 6-6 UCLA at Oregon. Think about that.

Look, if you're going to dismiss Alabama as having "blown their shot" for lack of a kicking game, then you can't seriously consider teams like Boise State -- who knows going in they have to run the table to even be in the BCS-bowl discussion -- or Oregon, or Oklahoma State. And Oklahoma State? Let's consider them..

Just to introduce you to OSU. An offense that scores approximately every 11.3 seconds. A strength of schedule ranked 10th, compared with Alabama's at 38th. A team whose only loss was in double overtime to Iowa State the same week an OSU school plane crashed, killing two women's basketball coaches. A school that beat five teams with winning records to Alabama's three. A team with four wins over BCS top 25 teams to Alabama's two. Hello?

Let's get it out of the way, because it's not a fun thing to say: Oklahoma State did not lose to Iowa State because of the tragic death of two women's basketball assistant coaches. It's likely most of the football players couldn't name two women's basketball coaches that attended the school, and it's one thing to lose a member of a team -- like Arkansas did -- and another to lose someone associated with the program. OSU grieved, as did we all. Then they blew a 17 point second-half lead to lose in Overtime.

Oklahoma State could make the conversation more interesting if they go out and drub Oklahoma. But the fact remains that the only reason we're having this discussion -- and expectation -- of Alabama back in the Mythical National Championship is because every other team has blown their chance to play in it ... worse. Is it SEC bias that sees LSU and Alabama both averaging a 27-point win, each of them scoring more than 36 points a game on average? (For what it's worth, Oklahoma's Offesnse averages one more TD than LSU a game, while giving up 27 points, including 30+ to such juggernauts as Louisiana-Lafyette, Tulsa, and Kansas State. Neither LSU nor Alabama has allowed an opposing team to score more than 30, once.)

So, with due respect to Rick Reilly (but not really), when you pour on the hate of how "apparently, no conference can really play football in this country except the SEC, which invented the sport in 2006" we're just tipping back our glasses of sweet tea (that's what's in the cup, we swear. For Florida fans reading: it's a southern thing) and grin. Cause ain't nobody playing real football this year except our western juggernauts, and there ain't a gosh darn thing you can do about that ESS-EEE-SEE speed racing with all those highlights up to Bristol to wave another Cystal Ball in your face.

(Geaux Tigers).

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I honestly find the idea of an all-SEC title game moderately repulsive...

but Rick Reilly is still a hack.

Despite what that SBN story on my sidebar says, I firmly believe that teams should have to win their conference in order to win the national title. It would be preposterous for Alabama (or anyone) to be the champions of the country but not their own conference. Just as it was preposterous for Liverpool to be the champions of Europe in 2005 despite the fact that they haven’t been the champions of England in over twenty years.

The “Champions League” is a league of champions in name only, and an all-SEC “National Championship” game is a national championship game in name only.

The rematch angle is also gross, but acceptable in certain situations. One conference supplying both NC spots shouldn’t be acceptable.

Oh, come on. Don't leave your uncle T-bag hangin'.

by Troll2Troll on Dec 2, 2025 5:52 AM EST reply actions  

I happen to think the way the college championship is decided is far more interesting than any other league, which are all exactly the same.

I like to think of golf as a great example of the college game vs. all other championships. In golf, almost every tournament is not decided by head to head matchups, but by overall play over the whole 4 rounds. Of course golf has a great way of judging which golfer did the best overall, but please note that it isn’t who shot the low score on Friday, or if one golfer outplayed another he was pared up with on Saturday. Golfer of the year is based on the entire year, not on just one tournament.

Let’s look at the year 2000 for golf as a good example of what I’m talking about. That year, Tiger Woods won 3 slams, 9 PGA events, and finished in the top 3 14 of the 20 tournaments he entered. He was so far the #1 golfer in the world it wasn’t even a joke - he had lapped the field. He entered the Match Play tournament that year and finished 2nd to… Darren Clarke! Yes, the legendary Irishman who won all of 3 PGA events his entire career and 1 Slam.

Can you imagine how absurd it would have been to anoint Clark the champion of the year due to winning that one match play tournament? And yet that is exactly what all other major sports do with their tournaments - it doesn’t matter what your body of work is other than for seeding purposes: if you get hot in the right tournament, you are considered the best team of the year.

This is hogwash. College is a system certainly imperfect, but it is in my humble opinion the ONLY major sport which even attempts to consider the entire season when choosing the best team for that year. I love it, even as I know the faults in such a system.

"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca

by NJBammer on Dec 2, 2025 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but in golf they all play the same course, from the same tees, with the same pin placement.

You may have cooler temps in the morning, or possibly rain in the afternoon, but the course presents the same challenges for each and every competitor. Not so in college with OOC schedules, divisional champs and BCS selections.

I love golf, it’s an amazing game but the way they do it doesn’t translate to any other sport. Except for Bowling and Pool…. but I don’t think we’re going to discuss any of those at great lengths over here.

- FOW

by skandrewj62j on Dec 2, 2025 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

As I said

I am aware of the fact that the current system is not perfect, but my point is that neither is any tournament system, as clearly demonstrated by the Woods/Clarke outcome. We all understand when we watch a golf match play event that even if it includes clearly the best players in the world, even in the case where the very best player is miles ahead of every other player, you get times when a much inferior player beats him, and yet no one pretends this means that inferior player is better.

And yet, we crowned the Giants as the best team of the year that the Patriots went otherwise undefeated, including beating those same Giants earlier in the year. I cannot believe that the tournament system generates a more valid champion than others.

Sure, the college system has its flaws, but as I repeat until I am blue in the face, it is better, I think quite clearly so, than a tournament system for paring the two teams which have had the best seasons for a one game playoff. The fact is that since the BCS started pretty much every year two of the top three teams have played in the championship, usually the clearly best two. Show me any tournament sport where that is true. Even Tennis and pro basketball, the most predictable of all of the sports, have fluky wins and losses which match up players/teams who are clearly not to top players in the game that year regularly. If college football went to the tournament, we would get the same result, “championships” won by teams who simply got hot at the right time, and otherwise were maybe not even a top 10 team for most of the year.

"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca

by NJBammer on Dec 2, 2025 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

While I agree...

That fluky things happen in other sports, like WC teams winning championships, VCUs making Final Fours, etc.

The BCS system is the only system where teams can go undefeated and not have a chance at a title. That’s fair to you?

Why should teams like ’04 Auburn, Houston, etc. not even have a chance?

Then, once teams start losing, you have computers and polls decide who’s the best. How do we know for certain a one-loss Stanford team is worse than a one-loss Alabama, Oklahoma State, VT, Boise State, team? We’re forced to guess and hypothesize.

Instead, playoffs allow the teams to “settle it on the field.” I’ve never heard a team, not even the Patriots, say the system is unfair, for, guess what, each team having a beef with the outcome LOST in the playoffs.

That’s not true with the BCS. There are many teams each season with a decent claim at playing in the final game that are left out because a computer told them they weren’t good enough.

I’d rather see Houston v. Boise State in the final knowing LSU, Bama, Stanford, Okie State, etc. all had shots than to never see them have an opportunity to prove themselves.

What’s the fear? That Houston might actually beat LSU?

GATA!

by Jman781 on Dec 2, 2025 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

To your point

if every team which went undefeated had a shot at the NC, you would see many, many small to mid level teams go undefeated every year. You would never see a major team like Bama or LSU scheudle a non-conference game they had any possible chance to lose. You would end up with 20 teams with undefeated records and/or winners of major conferences, and all would clamor for their “Fair Shot” at a tournament. Which ones would you exclude?

I don’t expect to persuade you by logic - I have argued many times against a playoff, and I don’t think I’ve ever persuaded a playoff lover. They don’t really argue my points, they just repeat what they think are the drawbacks of the current system, and ignore the obvious drawbacks of a playoff. I have come to the conclusion that they simply want a playoff because they want a playoff, and the want a playoff because they want a playoff.

Se la vie!

"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca

by NJBammer on Dec 2, 2025 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure about that.

Because of the doomsday scenario it represents, but I DO understand the “Win your division” argument - though not every conference can be trusted to have Big XII divisions. Imagine something like Georgia winning, UCLA winning, Clemson Winning, Michigan State Winning… oh god no!

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Dec 2, 2025 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be AWESOME!!

Michigan State/UCLA in the Rose Bowl.

by Joe Jones on Dec 2, 2025 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Oklahoma - Clemson in the National Championship.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Dec 2, 2025 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Rick Reilly?

The same Rick Reilly who wrote an article in October about how we were on a crash course for 6 undefeated teams, and what an injustice it would be because Clemson would get screwed out of an MNC?

Ah yes, that Rick Reilly. The same Rick Reilly whose treacly, poorly researched, pandering articles I stopped reading about ten years ago. I suggest you do the same.

Don't Panic.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Dec 2, 2025 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

Houston

hasn’t blown their chance yet.

The real argument is “LSU beat Bama at Bama. They shouldn’t have to play them again for the title in a revenge game. They’ve already shown they were better when it mattered. Everyone at Bama knew that game was their title game. Forcing LSU to play them is punishing LSU more than it is rewarding the team thought to be 2nd best in the country”

Another argument that is valid “To be the best team in the country, you have to be the best team in your conference, or at worst your division in your conference. Bama couldn’t do that. The opponent should thus be someone other than Bama who won their conference, or at worst their conference division” That opens up the door for OSU (if they beat OU), and Virginia Tech (if they beat Clemson).

Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.

by ihavethemelody on Dec 2, 2025 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

I say Houston

because, well, why the F not?

Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.

by ihavethemelody on Dec 2, 2025 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

Why not?

This is the only sport where an undefeated team can’t win the championship. It’s dumb, really.

GATA!

by Jman781 on Dec 2, 2025 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Not true

See: World Cup 2010, New Zealand.

In all kinds of weather we'll all stick together

by doker on Dec 2, 2025 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a misleading statement.

New Zealand had three draws in three games. So while they were never defeated, neither were they ever victorious.

Live every week like it's Shark Week.

by Harbinger of Joy on Dec 3, 2025 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not misleading

If you know the difference between “undefeated” and “won every game”

In all kinds of weather we'll all stick together

by doker on Dec 4, 2025 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Houston is the only valid suggestion at this point,

and that’s only if we are willing to set aside SOS merely to avoid a rematch. Oklahoma State’s resume is not yet complete, and they still have a chance to pass Alabama with a strong showing in Bedlam.

I am more resistant to a rematch because it punishes LSU, the road team. Had Bama won in OT at home, I would be more enthused about giving LSU a second chance on semi-neutral ground.

"Lattimore, as the kids can say, can ball, and sometimes does it to the extent one might say [he] is out of control in his balling." - Spencer Hall

by GwinnettGamecock on Dec 2, 2025 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen. Houston has taken care of business. Many will say, "yeah, but they haven't beaten

any good teams" to which I would say “who has Bama beaten”? Bama beat 3 teams with a winning record, and that includes 7-5 Auburn! Their best win was over Arkansas, who has beaten, let’s see, TWO teams with a winning record (again, including a win over 7-5 AU). The fact that your second best win is over a 7-5 team should speak volumes about Arkansas & Bama’s SOS.

Putting Houston in the NC game seems ludicrous. I mean, they have no chance against LSU, right? Isn’t that what everyone said about UF vs. OSU in 2006?

by TexasAUtiger on Dec 2, 2025 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I too am drinkin' the Houston kool-aid...

The only objective team left after LSU is Houston.
And they are the objective choice because they have won every game that they have played.

Any mention of strength of schedule or “quality wins” or “quality losses” relies on completely subjective reasoning and does not qualify any team in the most rational sense.

What I find so laughable from the Bama homers, is that they seem to be selling their appearance in the BCSNC game based upon the strength of the LSU team, rather than the strength of their own team.
I never hear them making a case for the quality of their wins.
(Yeah that win over Ga. Southern was sure fire quality)

The only argument that they present is always about the quality of their loss.

That is akin to proving a negative.

I am a total SEC homer, but a rematch is simply a bad idea.

Houston is the only team that honestly has a legit case, funny enough, in my humble OPINION.
Anyhoo….

Go DAWGS. Get after that LSU ass this Saturday and take one more home for Munson.

And wouldn’t that be too funny to see Saban’s face filled with joy as he is coaching in the Capital One bowl come the 2nd.

GO DAWGS!!!!

by Joe Jones on Dec 2, 2025 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Our win over GA Southern was of higher quality than that win over UK.

One of our worst wins being a dominating performance over a 1-AA team compares favorably with a lackluster performance against one of the worst SEC teams in my lifetime. And who is pimping GSU in the first place? Who doesn’t play cupcakes?

by AllTideUp on Dec 3, 2025 7:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, our 2nd best win is over a 9-3 Penn State.

And PSU was a team that was on track to play for the B1G title this weekend before all the crap happened.

So anyway, you’re saying that Houston has beaten more quality teams than Bama has? What is Houston’s signature win? A close one over 6-6 UCLA? Their win over SMU?

I wish you would drop the pretension on this. You don’t want Bama to be in the BCS championship game. It has nothing to do with Houston or anyone else. Why not just be honest about it?

by AllTideUp on Dec 3, 2025 7:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I think part of it is that Houston has beaten a slate of not-too-good teams, while Alabama has destroyed a slate of not-too-good teams.

by AllSaintsDay on Dec 3, 2025 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

You know,

I completely forgot about Houston. Yes, an argument could be made for Houston — but unlike Boise State, they don’t have that win that makes you really think they’re legit. But, yeah. Forgot about Houston: guess who else did!

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Dec 2, 2025 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Precisely.

Boise State has mastered the art of “game up for a middling-to-good BCS foe for the opener, run the table, and demand to be crowned Absolute Golden Football Champion” - and that’s fine, but you cannot simultaneously endorse them (or Houston) and then complain about who Alabama or LSU or anyone else has or hasn’t played. Either strength of schedule matters or it doesn’t, but the whole reason the human element in the BCS was diminished in the beginning was to reduce the influence of human voters who gravitate toward “-and-0” without any consideration for who was beaten to get there.

Let’s face facts: if LSU beats Georgia on Saturday, they should rightfully be national champions. Somebody else will get a shot at their crown in the BCS title game, but anyone who claims they deserve one is full of it.

"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52

by VandyImport on Dec 2, 2025 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Florida fans know what sweet tea is.

Don’t confuse UF with Miami. Gainesville is in NorFlor, which decidedly a part of the South.

If you’re going to write a chest-beating article about the SEC, don’t throw one of the teams under the bus. If there’s anyone who needs an introduction to sweet tea, it’s Missouri. You missed a much better and more topical dig, bobo.

In all kinds of weather we'll all stick together

by doker on Dec 2, 2025 9:23 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

This is very true.

North Florida more southern than anything.

by Aaron.50cal on Dec 5, 2025 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

And Houston falls on their face against Southern Miss.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Dec 3, 2025 3:41 PM EST reply actions   1 recs


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