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Why Alabama doesn't get any support from other teams' fans on this schedule thing.

Editor's Note: Promoted from FanPosts. And, yes, I'll post the best pro-Alabama argument that's made if anyone cares to answer.

Given from the backlash from Cock-n-Fire's article, I am sure I will get some too.  (Unless everyone is already tired of talking about it)  Hopefully, I can help some Tide fans understand where the rest of us are coming from on this... and, no, its not about screwing you 'cause you're on top.  A little schedule talk of the actual schedules can be seen after the jump.

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So, the basic problem that Alabama has is that too many SEC opponents are coming off of bye weeks before they play them.  Fine, that's a legitimate concern.  But here's the catch:  its your own Athletic Department's fault, not the SEC's.  This schedule was made 2 years ago.  If the school had an issue with it, it should have been brought up before the schedules were made official.  So, basically, the Alabama Athletic Department is asking the rest of the league to fix Alabama's oversight.  Considering the logistics involved (flights, hotels, etc) 4 months before the season is last minute.  That's why you have other SEC teams' fans saying 'not fair'.

Now lets look at Alabama's schedule for the 2010 season overall.  Alabama plays their first 8 games and 5 SEC games with out a bye.  Next season, USC also has 8 games without a bye but plays 6 conference foes in a row.  What Alabama wants, is for USC to change their schedule so that we would play the first 11 games with out a bye and still have the 6 game SEC stretch.  This is after we came off a year with a 10 game stretch with 7 SEC games in a row without a bye.  Did you hear Eric Hyman asking for a schedule change last year?  Was that schedule fair?  No on both counts.  (For the record, Alabama had the same 8 game 5 SEC stretch last year)  USC has had this brutal schedule since Spurrier has been the Head Ball Coach.  The loan exception if 2007, where we had UNC in the middle of our late year SEC schedule, but still had the problem of the pre-Clemson bye week.

Lastly, after years of fighting with the league office, USC has finally gotten a mid-season bye.  Which Alabama wants us to just give up, again, to fix Alabama's own mistake.  So when you hear from another schools' fans "Hey, just suck it up', its not because we are jealous or want to bring you down.  Its because we've been doing it with dignity for years.

Play your schedule or make a better one.  Don't ask the rest of us to accommodate you for your mistake.

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Playing 11 games without a bye is rough.

I wouldn’t expect you guys to do that for us. But if there are some teams that wouldn’t be hurt by changing their schedule, then why not try to get that done?

Also, OOC scheduling is done by individual schools after the SEC schedule comes out. I’m not sure how soon Alabama could have known what was in the pipes.

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by Zoltar on Apr 18, 2025 9:53 PM EDT reply actions

The thing is, there aren't many changes that could be made without hurting another team.

Moving the Arkansas-SC is often thrown around as a “solution”. Arkansas set up a schedule that was favorable to them, taking the bye after playing ‘Bama and Florida, so they could heal up for a streak of very important winnable games (that they really don’t have any leeway for losing) and then scheduling a non-con against UTEP late in the season. If the Ark-SC game is moved, that will give the Razorbacks a streak of 7 straight games against DI competition (6 SEC and TAMU) and stick their bye before UTEP. Considering part ’Bama’s complaint is that they have to deal with a 5-game streak, it’s pretty unfair to ask someone else to take on a 7-game streak. Surely you agree?

by dxf04 on Apr 19, 2025 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions

Make that...

“taking the bye after playing Georgia and ’Bama”.
Schedule-reading fail.

by dxf04 on Apr 19, 2025 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions

Also, we’re probably talking closer to 5 or 6 months to set up logistics. It’s really not that big of a deal.

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Apr 18, 2025 9:56 PM EDT reply actions

5 to 6 months

It may be plenty of time for the teams; I have no idea. Have you ever tried to get a room in Athens for a game? I just glanced at Expedia.com — booked solid for the Tennessee game weekend. I’m sure it’s similarly difficult in Tuscaloosa.

I hope they can work something out in Birmingham without too much of a disruption, but thousands tens of hundreds of thousands of people already have made plans. I wasn’t planning on going to Starkville this year, but I know lots of people who already made arrangements for a visit to Keeneland since the trip to Lexington finally falls at a suitable time, and there will be quite an uproar if that game gets moved outside the fall stakes.

by NCT on Apr 19, 2025 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions

Not official

Schedules are not official, that’s why it was brought up.

And for your own argument for USC, your athletic director along with everyone elses AGREED changes needed to be made. So point the frustration at your own school like you are asking us to.

I’m sure this will be an afterthought once the summer “transgressions” start occuring and everyone will be worried about what starter (or impact player) did something to hamper his playing time for the season anyway. (Georgia is out of the shoot’s early.)

I understand hate. I'm a Alabama fan.

by Destindune on Apr 19, 2025 5:47 AM EDT reply actions

There are two separate arguments going on here

Alabama fans are arguing what is right and opposing fans are arguing what is convenient.

Also, just as a point of argument, you mention that South Carolina has done exactly what Alabama has done for years, only unsuccessfully but then suggest that Alabama is doing it without dignity? All Alabama’s AD did was go to the league office and point out how egregious the difference is, and ask if anything can be done about it. If that is so undignified, why did all 11 ADs and the league office unanimously agreed that finding a resolution would be the right thing to do?

by TideFaninTN on Apr 19, 2025 9:53 AM EDT reply actions

Not exactly...

I didn’t say Alabama wasn’t doing it without dignity, just that the fans in general (not calling any of you out specifically, so don’t make it personal) were doing it without dignity. Also, I was arguing that its not fair to other teams and their fans, not just that it is inconvenient.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Which fans are doing it without dignity, then?

Just a nice linky would be fine.

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Apr 19, 2025 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Most of the factual rebuttals have been made
And, yes, I’ll post the best pro-Alabama argument that’s made if anyone cares to answer.

This isn’t the best argument against correcting the schedule in any event; the author has a foregone conclusion based on an erroneous assumption. Namely, that this was not an Alabama oversight since the schedules aren’t official. Once teams scheduled their OOCs and put in their wish list for byes, this is the proper time (back in Dec, actually) to address the concern. We did so, and the other ADs were in unanimous agreement. And, now, the skeddies need to be shuffled before the league office makes them official.

Seems much ado about nothing on the part of other fans…and that’s where the heat is coming from; other fans. No coach, player, administrator or AD has complained or grumbled about needing this corrected…just the bloggerati.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 19, 2025 11:43 AM EDT reply actions

I would argue our understanding of 'official'

Once the School and the League office sign off on a schedule and it is released to the public, its official. At that point, OOC teams have been booked and contracts signed, fans have made plans, Athletic departments book logistics for the team and all those that have to travel with the team, etc. Is Alabama willing to pay the cancellation fees for the charter flights and hotels that the other teams have to pay, I doubt it.

But the money isn’t even the major concern here, Alabama has a schedule problem, has brought to the attention of the league, the league as agreed to make sure that it doesn’t happen again, and that should be the end of it. Many of the league OOC games are historical rivals and happen at the same time every year. Its not that far fetched to think that if Alabama looked at the conference schedule and saw that so many teams had no SEC opponent before the game with Alabama, they should have voiced their concerns then. Now the schedule is set, so play it.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Schedules aren't official...

… that seems to be the unofficial line from Bama, that schedules are not official and all games are subject to change. OK, let’s grant that premise. Has the SEC ever changed its schedule less than six months before the season is to begin?

I’ve looked online and can’t find any reference to a schedule change similar to one being asked for, not to say it hasn’t happened. But I can’t remember it ever happening and I can’t find any reference to it. Maybe you can, I’d be curious to see if it ever has happened and if so why (I am exculding inseason changes like LSU’s hurricane seasons or 9/11). I did find a reference to the Big Ten moving a game from Friday to Saturday to protect high school football, but not a move to a new weekend.

I do think changing the schedule this late is an extraordinary remedy. It’s not impossible, but it certainly will create some logistical issues. And the question is whether its worth the trouble. I mean, the defending national champion having a schedule that’s too tough doesn’t seem like a compelling reason for such an extraordinary remedy.

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by Poseur on Apr 19, 2025 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions

I would agree...

The only time I can think of game days being changed is to accomidate TV. And that was to change a game from a Sat to a Thurs for ESPN. Other than that, only natural disasters come to my mind as well.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions

I wonder why USC adjusted its schedule back in September.

Looks to me like USC didn’t have a bye the week before Alabama until September of ’09. I tried the link for the inside look at the decision-making process, but it was dead. So, schedule was changed to add another to the pile of fresh opponents as late as September of ’09, but December of ’09 is too late to complain?

Sept. 16, 2009

Click to here for an inside look at the decision-making process.

The University of South Carolina has made several revisions to its 2010 football season, it was announced today.

The Southern Miss Golden Eagles, perennially one of the top teams in Conference USA, will make their first appearance ever in Columbia on Thursday, September 2, to kick off the 2010 football season on ESPN. The two teams have never met on the gridiron. The Southern Miss game replaces the September 18 home game against North Carolina. The Carolina-UNC game has been moved to the opening Thursday night of the 2013 campaign and will also be televised by ESPN.

In addition, the Gamecocks have moved the Troy game, scheduled for Saturday, September 4, to Saturday, November 20. The Furman game, originally set for Saturday, October 2, will now be played on Saturday, September 18. The Gamecocks will have an open date on October 2.

Here is the complete revised 2010 Gamecock football schedule:

Thursday, September 2 Southern Miss

Saturday, September 11 Georgia

Saturday, September 18 Furman

Saturday, September 25 at Auburn

Saturday, October 2 Bye

Saturday, October 9 Alabama

Saturday, October 16 at Kentucky

Saturday, October 23 at Vanderbilt

Saturday, October 30 Tennessee

Saturday, November 6 Arkansas

Saturday, November 13 at Florida

Saturday, November 20 Troy

Saturday, November 27 at Clemson

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Apr 19, 2025 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions

pfft. Blockquote fail.

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Apr 19, 2025 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Not sure...

… but I think UNC backed out of the game due to adding LSU in the kickoff classic, so USC was left scrambling for an opponent.

I do think there is a difference between OOC opponents and SEC opponents. I mean, you don’t really get to choose who you’re playing in conference and the location simply rotates. I’d imagine, and correct me if I’m wrong, teams have the SEC schedule largely dictated to them and then go out and sign contracts to fill out the rest of their schedule.

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by Poseur on Apr 19, 2025 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions

I believe that to be accurate as well

And so the decision about when a given bye week occurs is in fact not up to the league office, they simply provide a range of opportunities. The individual ADs fill those holes with OOC and the leftover hole is the bye week. Didn’t Vandy go without a bye last year?

So, as late as September 16th last year, the number of bye week-rested opponents against the Tide was still in flux. At what point in time should it be dealt with? It was realized early on, and discussed at the league winter meetings in December. I don’t see how the “it’s Alabama’s fault, they knew for 2 years and did nothing” argument stands up to this. I find it especially ironic coming from a South Carolina fan.

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Apr 19, 2025 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions

The article you quoted answers your question

UNC backed out of our game to play in the Peach dome with LSU on opening weekend. This dates were agreed upon to accommodate Furman’s schedule and add Troy, and is not part of some grand Gamecock plan to stick it to Alabama.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions

but it does undercut the

“Alabama knew for two years, it’s their fault” argument. Which you based your fanpost on. Renders that argument more or less empty, and adds a nice touch of irony for flavor.

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Apr 19, 2025 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions

But it buttresses the other argumnet...

… Life is unfair. Deal with it.

Really, is it a big deal if the defending national champion has to labor under a more difficult schedule?

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by Poseur on Apr 19, 2025 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Your AD seems to think so

And this isn’t about more difficult, like poor LSU having to face Florida every year. It’s about unfair, due to one team having an unfair advantage in rest over another, for half of the entire season.

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Apr 19, 2025 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Sure...

… our AD agrees that going forward, the SEC should make sure a team doesn’t have to play six teams coming off a bye week. It is unfair, but the queston is, is it so unfair that its worth the hassle of changing the SEC schedule six months before the season? And I just don’t think the disease is all that bad.

Alabama has scheduled a bye week two of their last three games versus LSU, and this year will make 3 of 4. My repsonse? Whatever. It’s an advantage, but not one worth worrying about. I don’t think it taints Bama’s last two wins over LSU in any way, for instance.

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by Poseur on Apr 19, 2025 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Well, if the number of byes changes

only 11 months before the season, when does the schedule get changed? At the winter meetings, 9 months before the season. Which is where we are. What’s the problem, again?

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Apr 19, 2025 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions

There is no problem

So no need to reschedule.

The problem with the schedule, and the part the SEC can address going forward, is “SEC byes”. How many games do teams play in conference off an SEC bye. What’s the difference between a bye week and playing Dircetional State U the week before a game? Teams have too many byes heading into the Bama game due to gaps in the conference schedule. That shouldn’t happen.

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by Poseur on Apr 19, 2025 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions

These two are mutually exclusive...

How does UNC backing out of our game have anything to do with Alabama knowing what its SEC schedule was going to be?

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions

because your SEC schedule changed on September 16th of 2009

That’s in the article I posted, unlike the information about LSU (who aren’t mentioned at all). It’s also in the (failed) blockquote.

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Apr 19, 2025 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions

read that, "OUR" SEC schedule changed in Sept 2009.

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Apr 19, 2025 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions

No, but the number of byes beforehand did.

Which is the exact scheduling issue under discussion. If Alabama’s AD had two years to realize that this was an issue and should have fixed it before now, as you said, how does that jibe with the fact that the number of those byes changed only three months before the discussion?

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Apr 19, 2025 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Because...

USC always opens the season with an OOC game (usually an ACC foe) and ends the season with our geographical rival, The Little Orange People. That leaves 3 dates as possible byes. One of them in front of the Alabama game. Another in front of the Clemson game. This week has historically been a bye, one we have been pretty open about not wanting. This was set by the league during conference scheduling and should have been addressed at that time.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions

I quote: “But here’s the catch: its your own Athletic Department’s fault, not the SEC’s. This schedule was made 2 years ago. If the school had an issue with it, it should have been brought up before the schedules were made official.”

It wasn’t made 2 years ago. The number of bye weeks for Alabama opponents immediately prior to playing Alabama, which is the issue in all of this, was settled no earlier than 8 months ago, when USC adjusted their OOC schedule - which is how byes are determined in the SEC - and moved their bye to the week before they play Alabama. If having too many rested opponents is a problem - and your AD as well as the 11 others in the SEC agree - then the earliest time that this objection could have been raised was September 2009, and the earliest that the ADs could have agreed on a solution was December 2009. So your basic premise, that it’s the Alabama AD’s fault, is factually wrong.

And, since the schedules were not official in December (or now, for that matter) it was dealt with at the appropriate time, i.e. as soon as possible.

And yet the people who made this problem worse continue to be the biggest whiners.

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Apr 19, 2025 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions

The SEC

Is currently working on its conference schedule for the next 10 year block.. which includes 2021. Its not like these things get put together the December before the season.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

quote: "But here’s the catch: its your own Athletic Department’s fault, not the SEC’s. This schedule was made 2 years ago. If the school had an issue with it, it should have been brought up before the schedules were made official."

This schedule was NOT made two years ago, it was changed as recently as 9 months ago. It was immediately brought up and dealt with, before the schedules were made official. That IS the point. Is it so unfair that the schedules HAVE to be changed? No. Is it unfair enough to prevent in the future? Yes, all 12 ADs agreed. Is Alabama’s AD at fault? In no way. Yet that’s the axle this post turns on.

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Apr 19, 2025 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions

South Carolina didn't ask for that schedule change

That’s the difference between that and what happened to Alabama. In fact, Spurrier has made playing N.C. schools, and UNC in particular, a priority because he liked the Florida-Georgia rivalry games. Many South Carolina fans were disappointed that the UNC game were canceled, and in part because we ended up with a weaker opponent. We were disappointed because the schedule will be easier, not more difficult.

Also, there’s a vast difference between making a change that you didn’t want to a year ahead of time and asking for a change a few months ahead of time.

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by cocknfire on Apr 19, 2025 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions

In this case, the difference is about two months.

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Apr 19, 2025 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Wait a minute -

you accommodated FURMAN’s schedule? Blasphemy! They must be some kinda good whiners!

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Apr 19, 2025 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Because we had to change the date of our game with them..

Couldn’t exactly ask them to change one of their games to accommodate us… that would be what Alabama is doing. We had to move our game to a week where they already had a bye. I think you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions

I was simply anticipating if there were multiple responses from Alabama fans

And I was making clear that I wasn’t just promoting this because I don’t agree with changing the schedules. In other words, wanted to make sure I was being “fair” to Alabama. If you guys don’t want to respond, I don’t mind.

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by cocknfire on Apr 19, 2025 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions

I wasn't being passive aggressive...

I really think that the best response (from the other 11 schools) would be one that we’ve not heard yet, i.e., another coach or AD standing up saying “we made this schedule precisely because we want the bye before playing Alabama…it’s part of our strategy and it puts our team in the best position possible to win.” I think had just one of the ADs voted contrarily, then the issue/non-issue would get a lot more traction and credibility.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 19, 2025 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't think that it was part of a larger strategy

I really doubt all of the other coaches and the ADs in the league said. “you know what… Alabama is too good, lets make sure we get a bye before them next year”. It wasn’t an intentional or strategic push against Alabama. So why would someone say that it was?

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions

No, it wasn't intentional

It was other teams deciding what was best for their respective teams and programs…I’m not one of the “OMG! CONSPIRACY AGIN’ BAMA! I BET THE NCAA IS BEHIND THIS” people.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 19, 2025 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions

It also isn't that...

everyone is singling out Alabama on their own. I have a hard time believing that.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions

There is a difference between league-wide conspiracy

and then just most teams recognizing on their own and with their own self-interest in mind that if Alabama is the team to beat in the SEC, then they would be the team to schedule a bye week before, given the chance. Only two teams in the SEC had the opportunity to play six SEC opponents coming off of byes (no one else had more than three — and that would have required Tennessee to take a bye in week two before playing Florida. All others only faced two opportunities). Alabama, who will face 100% of those teams who could schedule a bye, and Auburn, who had no teams schedule a bye the week before them.
For some of the teams, the Alabama game just comes at a good time for a bye (Tennessee, South Carolina, LSU), but given that it happens before 100% of the games where it’s even possible, you have to believe it’s strategic.

by TideFaninTN on Apr 19, 2025 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions

To me this just comes across...

As pompous “we’re better than everyone so of course they’re trying to make it easy on themselves”. And I want to make this next point very clear: that is not a personal attack on you. This sentiment is what I have been hearing from a lot of Tide fans. I REALLY doubt that’s how it went down. These schedules are in the works long before last season.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

I borrowed that suggestion

from another fan who suggested we take it as a compliment. Call it pompous if you like, but no other team in the league had every possible opponent choose them as their bye week, and that’s when they only had two possibilities. That isn’t coincidence.

by TideFaninTN on Apr 19, 2025 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions

I guarantee you that USC didn't schedule it because it was Alabama....

we scheduled it because it gave our team an opportunity to rest and heal in the middle of the season.. an opportunity we haven’t had in past years and its cost us dearly on several occasions. I know this because Spurrier and Hyman have talked about it on several occasions… and way before last December.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions

If you'll re-read my comment

I acknowledged South Carolina specifically as a team who scheduled based on the timing of the week rather than the opponent.

by TideFaninTN on Apr 19, 2025 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Conceeded..

However, if the other teams only had 2 options for bye weeks, and one of those was before the Alabama game, it only strengthens my original point. That Alabama had ample opportunity to address this earlier. Do I think that its a legit concern? Yes. Do I think adding in a condition that it can’t happen again is reasonable? Yes. Do I find it insulting that Alabama would come to us at this point and ask us to change our schedule to accommodate them? Yes.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Your original point is only strengthened

in a hypothetical you just created that doesn’t exist. Every team has 5 bye week opportunities. I’ll grant that taking a bye in the first three weeks isn’t really an attractive option, but neither is taking one in the last three weeks, which two of our opponents do unnecessarily.

But more to your point: You are insulted by Alabama asking another team to consider a move. Why is that “insulting?” There is no obligation there. To go back to your shopping analogy: if I come up behind your full cart in the checkout line and all I’m carrying is a tube of Orajel and a screaming baby, am I insulting you if I ask if I might check out before you? You might also have an urgent need to go first and therefore say no. But be insulted by it? Why?

by TideFaninTN on Apr 19, 2025 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Including the Barn

Which has elected to play 11 straight games before, surprise!, taking one before their very last last game, the Iron Bowl.

What a coincidence!

And, call it pompous, but if I were a coach in the league with a not named Alabama or Florida, and it were all practical, then you bet your money that my bye would be before I played one of them.

That’s not pompous, it’s realpolitik and it makes perfect since…coaches are paid millions to put their teams in the best possible position to win. If that means an extra week to get healed up or to game plan, then so be it. And, that’s not a criticism of anyone, it’s practical and, one would hope, beneficial.

Why, on God’s earth, do people think we take our bye the week before or after LSU? It’s 2/3rds through the season and we’re either banged up to all-hell going into it, or exhausted and banged up coming out of it.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 19, 2025 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Exactly

The bye week is the ultimate compliment.

What I find odd is not that teams have taken the bye week, but that they have the opportunity to take one before Bama. that means Bama has six games in which the team they will play is not coming off an SEC game. That seems like a bizarre scheduling quirk that shouldn’t have happened.

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by Poseur on Apr 19, 2025 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions

It is always the most physical game on the schedule

even moreso than UT.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 19, 2025 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions

This post has so much grammar/spelling fail

That I feel the need to TP a tree…in my own yard.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 19, 2025 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions

The point of the post was...

it seems, mostly lost on the Alabama contingent. The point was to demonstrate that other teams in the league get tough schedules as well, and sometimes unfair schedules. You do what you can to get the schedule that you want, then you play what you get.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 1:35 PM EDT reply actions

the point of the rebuttal was lost as well

If objecting to the problem is a whine, objecting to fixing it is more of a whine. And by volume and breadth, opposing fanbases are whining MORE. Facing a tough schedule is fair and no problem. Facing an unfair schedule? Well, that’s the same thing USC’s AD apparently has been fighting for years. Buncha whiners.

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Apr 19, 2025 1:37 PM EDT reply actions

As I recall....

we played our schedule and fixed the problem by working the issue into the new schedules as they were created, not asking the rest of the league to change their schedule after the fact. That is the difference. I am sorry if you can’t see that.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Why do you think it's Alabama asking these teams to change their schedules?

It’s the SEC office acting on behalf of all 12 schools. Furthermore, they haven’t made a change, they’ve only said they would see if there was a resolution to the issue. Most likely, Alabama will have to play the schedule as it is right now. Why you or anyone else feels the need to characterize this as a fan issue goes beyond me.

by TideFaninTN on Apr 19, 2025 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions

And, I noticed none of the above commentators really rebutted the underlying point...

Which, I reiterate now


Seems much ado about nothing on the part of other fans…and that’s where the heat is coming from; other fans. No coach, player, administrator or AD has complained or grumbled about needing this corrected…just the bloggerati.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 19, 2025 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions

You can keep wishing for that one

Poseur is only in this discussion for the purposes of pissing us off, anyway.

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Apr 19, 2025 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm actually not

I don’t care if I piss you off, but it’s actually not my intent. I don’t buy the Bama argument that rescheduling six months before the season is no big deal nor do I buy that this is a huge disadvanatge for Bama that must be fixed. And sure, I made fun of Bama on ATVS because, well, it’s funny, but no more than Bama sites made fan of other schools for whining after their championship. Remember the Moral Victory playoffs? (Quite funny, actually — well played, RTR).

But I haven’t called any Bama fans any names, unlike the names I have been called, and well you may disagree with the substance of my arguments, I have brought actual substantive disagreement.

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by Poseur on Apr 19, 2025 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed to a point....

In my opinion (and I am wrong once or twice a year, so its not out of the question), this debate in the online world was started with Tuscaloosanews.com article and the Alabama fans. So it was not started with ‘other teams fams’. It was started in your own house.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Can you link that article?

I remember one that said that Alabama asked the league to look into this season’s schedule to see if there might be a remedy. I missed the one about Alabama going door to door begging conference foes to start cancelling OOC games to make things easier on the Tide.

by TideFaninTN on Apr 19, 2025 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Here's one

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20100410/news/100409577?p=1&tc=pg

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions

I will say this though...

We’re probably just in the CFB silly season. When the tenative schedules first came out in Dec/Jan, it was recognized as an immediate problem. Back then (4-5 months ago), Alabama signaled its intent to get some relief from the league…it’s taken this long to get things worked through the league office and ADs. So, it’s not like Mal sat on his kiester once it was discovered that 3/4ths of the conference would be rested up going into their games against us.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 19, 2025 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions

The article is explicit

in stating that no OOC games would be touched.

by TideFaninTN on Apr 19, 2025 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions

A quote from that article

“Bloom said both conference and non-conference games are under consideration for new dates that would reduce Alabama’s total of opponents coming off open dates.”

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions

He also says this:
There is no indication which SEC schools would be willing to change a non-conference date. According to Bloom, forcing member institutions to make schedule alterations against their will is not being considered as an option.

If no one is being forced to change their schedule, why is this such a big deal?

by TideFaninTN on Apr 19, 2025 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions

I never said that they any one was being forced to.

Only that asking us to do so wasn’t as ‘fair’ of an option as many of the Tide faithful have indicated it would be. The overwhelming sentiment has been that it would be ‘more fair’ for the other teams in the league to accommodate a change of schedule. I wanted to demonstrate that is not necessarily the case and use one of the proposed changes as an example.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions

But what does that matter?

If it isn’t fair, no change will be made. You don’t hear Alabama fans complaining that no one will make the change. You only hear how unfair it is that Alabama has asked them to consider it. That’s what I find so ridiculous in all this.

by TideFaninTN on Apr 19, 2025 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Alabama is also...

The only team that has ever asked for this. Also, Tide fans have been complaining about the fairness of this schedule. That’s how this whole thing started. It stated with reporters covering the Tide, the fans following the Tide, and continued out from there. Otherwise, I would have never even known about this. I don’t really have the time to research it now, but I think the first Blog to pick up on it was Roll Bama Roll. And if you want to take the time to re-read the 180 replies on Cock-n-Fire’s blog, than please do.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm probably responsible for 100 of those replies

Here’s the thing: it seems that what other fans are upset about is the asking. Why is that such a big deal? I have yet to hear even one fan of any fanbase suggest that Alabama’s schedule isn’t unfair. It’s always just a matter of disagreeing to the degree of difficulty.

by TideFaninTN on Apr 19, 2025 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Poseur has said it, and I think Cock-n-Fire has said it,

and I did too. The Tides schedule isn’t more or less unfair than other schedules have been. USC’s schedule last year was unfair. But unfair schedules are going to happen. Its part of the game. Some schedules are harder than others.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions

That still fails to address

why asking for relief from an admittedly unfair schedule is such a sin against decency. No one has said that if Alabama doesn’t get it, they will just take their crystal ball and go home.

And again, that’s just quibbling about degree, not the nature of the issue. The most successful people in the world are the ones that go after what they want rather than just hoping it happens.

by TideFaninTN on Apr 19, 2025 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

For other fans it is a timing issue...

These schedules are in the works for years in advance. In addition, with the Tide coming of a national championship, it comes across as “We’re the national champions, which is why everyone is ganging up on us, so it should be fixed”, which couldn’t be farther from the truth. (this reflects many of the sentiments directly from TIde fans that I’ve seen on this board, btw). And none of this positioning changes the fact that tough schedules are part of the game. A part that we all have to deal with. Alabama is the first team to do what it did…. and that’s how we end up here.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions

I can't speak for everyone

but my issue isn’t a matter of “ganging up” so much as that it shouldn’t even be a possibility on anyone’s schedule. If Auburn wanted to complain about how 75% of their conference schedule will be playing non-BCS patsies before their game, then they would have a similar argument in that singular respect, though obviously with less available remedy.

by TideFaninTN on Apr 19, 2025 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Of course then...

we’d all be exposed to ridiculous Chris Todd For Heisman? posts.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 19, 2025 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Did you go to RBR to read it?

Or was it here?

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Apr 19, 2025 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Started by a Tuscaloosa newspaper

but continued and beaten to death by other fanbases. Like now.

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Apr 19, 2025 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions

How are other teams changing their schedules to accomodate Alabama...

Acting on behalf of all 12 SEC teams? It doesn’t promote the fairness in the other team’s schedules to have them move their games around. Its like that one person in the express lane at the grocery store with a full cart. Its not the rest of our faults you can’t read the sign. You’ll still have to switch lanes. (I know… I couldn’t think of a better analogy on the spot, forgive me)

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 2:01 PM EDT reply actions

There is most likely a key ...

… in the upper right hand of your keyboard. It will say “Delete” or “Del.” Ironically, it would have let you clear up that mistaken analogy before sending it out.

As far as how is it acting on behalf of all 12 teams: all 12 concurred that something should be done if possible. Is that a case of all of them then whispering to themselves “as long as it doesn’t affect me?” Possibly.

by TideFaninTN on Apr 19, 2025 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions

The image that went through my mind

amused me. That’s really as far as that analogy goes.

As far as the 12 teams argument goes… I don’t know what goes on in the Athletic Departments collective heads. But I imagine your pretty close on that one. I think the agreement that something should be done was more of a political thing that didn’t have any real substance to it…. you know, like a UN resolution. (there I go with the analogies again ;) )

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions

To date, it still lacks substance

No actual change has been made. The conference only said they would try to find a resolution. Everyone is getting worked up over how inconvenienced fans will be, but not one game has actually been moved.

by TideFaninTN on Apr 19, 2025 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions

And, my bet, is that not one game will be moved...

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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 19, 2025 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions

I think that when all is said and done...

that they won’t change any either, and this is all a mute point. Its not like they give a crap what a bunch of yoo-haws on a blog say anyway.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Just to clarify those who are taking offense

The point of this article was to help bridge the gap and help Tide fans understand why the schedule issue has fallen on unsympathetic ears around the league. The issue of ‘fairness’ is a relatively subjective one. My sole purpose was to demonstrate that a change is schedule could also be unfair to other teams. My apologies if this was not accurately transferred.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 2:35 PM EDT reply actions

Again, I think it's just fans that are upset

I’ve not heard a peep from any other coaches, players, ADs etc. The only response we’ve gotten was from the league, which acknowledged it was a problem, and from the other ADs, who, to a man, agreed with our position and the league.

Like I said, it’s the silly season, and efforts to correct this have been in the works since December.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 19, 2025 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Technically, we've heard from Arkansas

that they will not be moving their game.

by TideFaninTN on Apr 19, 2025 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Yea, sort of a mixed message

He says “”http://blogs.nwaonline.com/slophouse/2010/04/long-no-plans-to-change-football-schedule/" >no plans to change schedule…at this time", then, the following week, agrees (and votes) with everyone that it’s a problem and that the league should work around it.

That man is a born Senate candidate

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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 19, 2025 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Crap. HTML fail

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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 19, 2025 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed

What else is there to do?

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by Poseur on Apr 19, 2025 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions

This is officially, and by far..

the longest reply thread to any post I’ve ever made….. Thank you!

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 3:00 PM EDT reply actions

All right guys.. seriously...

I am currently living in Spain and its getting late. I have to get some stuff done. I appreciate the debate with all of you.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 3:16 PM EDT reply actions

Does it really rain on the plain in Spain?

I understand hate. I'm a Alabama fan.

by Destindune on Apr 19, 2025 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm not on the plain..

but it rains an F-ing lot here.

by Charlestowne on Apr 19, 2025 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions

man…this horse has been dead a while…now you guys are just being mean.

"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran

by bammer on Apr 19, 2025 5:09 PM EDT reply actions

AHH YES.

the never ending debates like: “what type of tourney should the NCAA implement in college football?” “Are the mid majors worthy of an automatic bid?” “Will Auburn ever be anything but a cow college?”…all but the last one are up for debate…Auburn will ALWAYS be a cow college..

"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran

by bammer on Apr 20, 2025 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions

You forgot

“my conference is better than yours…” Which is a silly argument, because “SEC” = my and “Not-SEC” = yours is a valid and sound statement.

Also for inclusion:

1. But Utah beat Alabama…
2. USC has pwnd the SEC…
3. Who is this year’s Boise/Utah/Hawaii, etc…

"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"

by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 20, 2025 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Ah, Bammer. Still classy, I see.

Upon moving to AL, I let my wife decide who she would root for. After one day at a new job full of Bama fans, she met me at the door with a hearty cry of "WAR EAGLE"

by SandMountainTiger on May 5, 2025 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
is just a freight train coming your way.

by btcoop71 on Apr 19, 2025 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions

peta might see this. they won't be happy. lol.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. I was building a house, I don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. Bang. "Unforgiven" I drink your milkshake. I drink it up! "There Will BE Blood". Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales".

by wolfmanshowlforever on Apr 20, 2025 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions

because everyone else hates 'bama

...in dixie land i'll take my stand: rooting for Atlanta

by southman on Apr 30, 2025 8:38 AM EDT reply actions


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