The SEC Empire: Why the SEC should take the lead, not the backseat on Expansion
Bumped from the FanPosts. This is an interesting and rather thorough counterpoint to my and cocknfire's general point of view that the SEC is fine at 12 teams. -Year2
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Right now I should be studying for my 2 law school exams here at Alabama Law, which I have to take before next Wednesday (even though I graduate this weekend). But you can’t help it when epiphany strikes. It has struck me, and there isn’t anything I can do right now other than put this into words. Here is why the SEC should expand and expand further than anyone has yet suggested. The new SEC (which will probably be renamed the College Football Champions League) will dominate college football, the cash cow of college athletics, and no other conference will ever again be able to say that it is a better football conference than the SEC. Ever.
In 1992, the SEC changed the game by becoming a 12 team league. Mike Slive should pull a Chancellor Palpatine and go one step further to create the SEC Empire this go around. The new SEC will have 20 teams. Yes, 20. And before you start your "Wait a minutes" and your "Buts" read how the new set-up will work, and why for every team in the SEC, new and old, this could not be a better idea. Currently the projection is for the Big 10 to add 5 teams: Nebraska, Mizzou, Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers/WV (Google it: some news sites are already reporting it). The Pac-10 rumor right now is that Colorado and Utah will join to give them 12 teams. This means that both the Big 12 and Big East would lose three teams without the SEC lifting a finger. Should this happen, the SEC should already have in place its own plans for expansion. Read about what those plans should be after the jump:
There will 4 divisions within the new SEC, each with 5 teams. The divisions are the North, South, East & West. It is easiest to break the divisions down starting with West and moving east so I will do so following the table of Divisions.
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West |
South |
North |
East |
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Arkansas |
Alabama |
Kentucky |
Florida |
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Oklahoma |
Auburn |
South Carolina |
Georgia |
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Oklahoma State |
LSU |
Tennessee |
FSU |
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Texas |
Mississippi |
Vanderbilt |
Georgia Tech |
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Texas A&M |
Mississippi State |
Notre Dame/Clemson |
Miami |
Yes I am leaving Clemson out initially. Adding Clemson only helps Clemson, no one else. Notre Dame says no, Clemson can come along too.
Scheduling goes as follows. You play every team in your division once (4 games). You play a rival not in your division every year (1 game). You play 1 team from every other division rotating through them (3 games), which equals your 8 conference games. Instead of a conference championship game, you now have 2 playoff semi-final games to get to the conference championship game. Every playoff fanatic now has a defacto playoff in the SEC between all but 2 previous BCS champions (Ohio St. and USC) and the bowl games stick around, b/c let’s be honest, every bowl game is going to want an SEC team playing in it (except the Rose, which wants USC v. Ohio St.).
As for the playoff games, here is who they are between and which city hosts them
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West v. South rotates between |
North v. East Rotates between |
Championship rotates between |
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New Orleans |
Atlanta |
Atlanta |
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Dallas |
Nashville |
Birmingham |
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Birmingham (new dome!) |
Any FL city that wants it |
New Orleans |
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Charlotte…probably not |
Nashville…probably not |
Think about this for a minute. What games are actually lost by switching the conferences into this divisional format? What team can say that they will truly lose a game that their fans care about winning or look forward to every year? The only one is FL-TN, and let’s be honest here, the game is only a rivalry b/c of Spurrier and Fulmer; neither is the coach now, and it began less than 2 decades ago. No one really cares anymore, it just happened to decide the east winner for more than a decade, and the fans did care about that. All in all, more rivalries will be gained by this format than will be lost by it.
Bonus for the SEC: If the divisions are broken down as such, there is a possibility, not a likely one, but a possibility for up to 8 SEC teams could finish the regular season with zero or one losses and in the national championship picture. Each division winner and runner up could possibly have only lost to the division champion of another division and/or each other, making the SEC playoffs more thrilling than bowl season and March madness combined. The SEC could make up more than 50% of the top ten at all times during the year.
The West (The old Big 12 South + Arkansas)
1. Arkansas 2. Oklahoma 3. Oklahoma State 4. Texas 5. Texas A&M
This division is made up of what used to be the traditional best of the Big 12 South/Big 8/SWC. Arkansas is absolutely thrilled to have an actual rival in SEC, and to be honest, Arkansas only cared about playing these teams before joining. If you could ask these 5 teams individually, if I could be in a division in any conference with only the teams that I wanted to play/who were my rivals, who would be in it? The consensus from all of them would be each other, save maybe throw Nebraska/Mizzou in there. This division comes together for a few reasons.
1. The SEC growing its national footprint/TV market… more money for the conference
2. The dissolution of the Big 12: The rumor is that Mizzou and Nebraska are going North to the Big 10 and Colorado is going West to the Pac 10. Sure this leaves Texas Tech, Kansas and Kansas St. without a home, but they aren’t exactly football powerhouses either, and the schools joining don’t really care about whom gets left behind. Sorry Tubbs.
3. Every team coming from the Big 12 would get more money in this division, even with the uneven revenue pools in the Big 12. So financially, this makes sense for all schools involved.
4. The Bowl scenario… which will be explained in full later, but the winner of this division is guaranteed a BCS bid in the Fiesta Bowl, if not the National Championship game. (These teams take the Big 12’s Auto-Bid with them)
There is a possibility that this division could include LSU and Missouri if the Oklahoma schools decide not to come, but I don’t see why they wouldn’t. Also if the Texas schools also decide against coming, then Mississippi and Mississippi State would also be in the West. Worst case scenario is adding TCU/SMU or moving Vandy instead of adding Mizzou while none of the Texas/Oklahoma schools come. This division will always have at least 2 previous BCS Champions in it (unless worst case scenario), which makes the champion of this division worthy of a trip to Tempe for the Fiesta Bowl.
The South (the old SEC West)
1. Alabama 2. Auburn 3. LSU 4. Mississippi 5. Mississippi State
This is the SEC West minus Arkansas. All teams involved will be very happy with this because.
1. The SEC growing its footprint equals dolla dolla bills. I’m not sure what the negotiations would be, but my guess is that it would be at least 20 mil per school, possibly 25.
2. It just became easier to win the division, subtracting Arkansas from the equation. True, it became much more difficult to win the league, but I think these teams will be OK with all of the expansion for the following reason
3. The winner of this division goes to the Sugar Bowl, if not the National Championship game. Ok, yeah, Bama might not be thrilled with this, but every other team sure as hell is. A guaranteed BCS birth for beating your most hated rivals in the SEC. A BCS birth for being better than 4 other teams…yeah they’ll take that deal.
4. Auburn and Alabama are still stuck without their "other" main rivals in Georgia and Tennessee, but in the current system they are stuck without them, so it really isn’t changing much, other that they won’t have to play Florida but twice every 8/10 years in the regular season. Of course they will have to play Ga. Tech, FSU, (GA for AL) and Miami. They both are appeased by getting to keep Georgia and Tennessee as their rivals they play every year from another division.
There is a possibility that this division could shift somewhat, being called the Central division instead of South, if the Big 12 stays put in part or in whole. LSU could go West, which would invite Tennessee or more likely Vanderbilt to the central. If the both the Mississippi schools go West as well (if the Big 12 saying no), then the division looks like this: 1. Auburn 2. Alabama 3. Tennessee 4. Kentucky 5. Vanderbilt. Either way, this division will always have 2 previous BCS champions in it, making it worthy of a trip to New Orleans for winning it.
The North (The basketball division)
1. Kentucky 2. South Carolina 3. Tennessee 4. Vanderbilt 5. Notre Dame/Clemson
If there is a flaw with this expansion, this division is it. This division will more than likely end up with the weakest of the SEC East schools. The reason that it will work though is because it does have a previous BCS champion (Tennessee) and its weakness is what will entice Notre Dame to join the SEC. The reasons this will work are:
1. DOLLA, DOLLA, DOLLA BILLS. Notre Dame is the key here for this division to work. The only school eligible to pull off a national TV deal on its own will mean multiple G5 airplanes for all schools involved if this goes down.
2. If Notre Dame comes, it will want some kind of perceived preferential treatment. Getting the 2 SEC cupcakes in its division is precisely that. If they don't, then Clemson comes, which gives this division all rivals... which I guess makes up for it being so weak.
3. The winner of this division gets an automatic birth into the newest BCS game (which is either the Citrus or Cotton Bowl) if not the National Championship game. Both of these bowls have as much if not more history and tradition than the Fiesta, it is time that they were afforded the same lofty status of BCS. As the newest BCS game, you get relegated the weakest SEC division.
4. The only reason this works this way is b/c Kentucky and Vanderbilt are already a part of the SEC. Like it or not, their opinion matters. As a result it is hard to imagine them not in a division with Tennessee, seeing as Tennessee is the only team that either of them care about playing. Tennessee has no problem being in the easy division, b/c that just makes it easier to win for them. They will still have to play Alabama every year, as well as a team from the East and West, which aren’t exactly cake walks like their own division.
Another problem with this division is what happens to it if part or all of the Big 12 decides to stay situated. Tennessee, followed by Kentucky and Vanderbilt would be moved to the South (renamed the Central). Notre Dame isn’t a guarantee to come either without the other prestigious schools from the Big 12. The only constant for this division seems to be that South Carolina will probably always be in it. Let’s start with likelihoods first.
1. IF Notre Dame doesn’t come, Clemson joins this division. Simple
2. IF LSU goes West (½ of Big 12 South says no), Vanderbilt goes South, Clemson joins this division. Simple
3. IF both of the above happen (Vanderbilt and Notre Dame aren’t in this division)
a. Virginia and Virginia Tech join this division OR
b. Clemson and West Virginia/Louisville join this division
4. IF All of the Big 12 South says no (This division goes back to scratch)
a. This division will become part of the ACC absorption that is discussed below, b/c Notre Dame more than likely isn’t coming without Texas and Oklahoma to add to the prestige.
The East (whoever Florida and Georgia want)
1. Florida 2. Georgia 3. Florida State 4. Georgia Tech 5. Miami
This division is far more cutthroat than what the SEC North is shaping up to be at first glance. I think this will work because of the amount of prestige that will go along with just being in this division. Every team in this division despises the rest of the teams, without exception. The only problem will be getting Georgia and Florida to give their rivals the pay increase and prestige increase that comes along with joining a division with them, which in turn will help their enemies’ recruiting as well. The reasons why this would work though:
1. This division would be the only division in college football with THREE previous BCS CHAMPIONS. Let that sink in for a minute. A 5 team division with 3 BCS champions in it. Unfortunately, that’s also the biggest problem as well. But these teams already all play each other, just not every team against each other like it will be. GA always plays GT and FL. FL always plays GA and FSU and sometimes UM. GT always plays FSU, UM and GA. FSU always plays UM, FLA and GT. UM always plays FSU and GT and sometimes FL. Heck, it is easier to say GT doesn’t play FL and GA doesn’t play Miami or FSU. That’s it. It just makes sense for these teams to quit bickering and join the same division already and make the games means a little more.
2. The winner of this division is guaranteed the Orange Bowl at the least… AND if the division winner plays in the National Championship game, the runner-up then automatically gets to play in the Orange Bowl. That’s how you settle the bickering. You give the teams a reason to join this insanely competitive division. Automatic BCS game for 2nd place if the champ goes onto play for it all…yeah that’s a pretty good incentive. Out of these 5 schools, granted some have had their down years, but there hasn’t been a year in my BCS memory where at least 2 of these schools weren’t deserving of a BCS game.
3. All of the other Florida schools will never match the prestige of the Big 3. South Florida will no longer be on any players map for where they want to play football, if they receive an offer from one of these schools. I don’t know why South Florida thinks that they should be in this discussion anyways. They have been playing football for maybe a decade. Maybe.
4. Oh yeah, money, that’s the real reason for all of this.
There are obviously some serious problems here.
1. The first and foremost being that Georgia Tech left the SEC b/c it didn’t like Alabama cheating. So there is that question of if they will return, because Alabama, along with every other school in the country, still cheats. My bet is they will for the paycheck and prestige. Bobby Dodd would roll over in his grave, but I can see GT returning to the SEC.
2. Will Florida allow FSU and Miami to join? Again my guess would be yes, because of the money that Florida will receive by allowing them to join. As much as the administration can see problems with letting them join, the fans want it as well. One thing I could see is FL allowing FSU and not allowing Miami. That would lead to South Carolina or Clemson joining the division (maybe Tennessee as well) with more ACC schools joining the North division, as discussed below.
ACC take-over (if the Big 12 South says thanks, but no thanks)
This would mean that 4 teams in the Big 12 South didn’t want to abandon their old SWC/Big 8 friends and leave them high and dry. Why they wouldn’t want to join the empire is beyond be, but here is the scenario if that happens and the SEC decides to not go West. That leaves 8 spots from the Big East/ACC that need to be filled. If the SEC doesn’t go West, I don’t see Notre Dame joining the conference.
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West |
Central |
North |
South |
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Arkansas |
Alabama |
Virginia |
Florida |
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Mississippi |
Auburn |
Virginia Tech |
FSU |
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Mississippi State |
Kentucky |
South Carolina/North Carolina |
Miami/South Carolina |
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LSU |
Tennessee |
Clemson/Duke |
Georgia |
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Vanderbilt |
ND/Louisville |
West Virginia/NC State |
Georgia Tech/Clemson |
If Florida and Georgia block their instate schools, the only way to go is to Tobacco road at that point. But once we are considering basketball schools for a football takeover, we aren’t really getting our money’s worth on expansion. If that happened though, Clemson and South Carolina move to the South. Duke and North Carolina as well as NC State move into the North. Notre Dame isn’t coming at this point and West Virginia possibly replaces Louisville in the central, or is left out all together.
The Bowl Scenario.
If this happens the bowls will all have to rewrite their contracts and the BCS will have to start over as well. If we look at all of the bowls currently entwined to the conferences that these teams make-up, we have the following tie-ins to the SEC/ the new teams already.
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West |
South |
North |
East |
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Fiesta Bowl (Big 12 Champ) |
Sugar Bowl (SEC Champ) |
BCS At-Large (ND Tie-in) |
Orange Bowl (ACC Champ) |
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Cotton Bowl (Big 12 #2) |
Cotton Bowl (SEC #3) |
Citrus Bowl (SEC #2) |
Outback Bowl (SEC #3) |
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Holiday Bowl (Big 12 #3) |
Music City Bowl (SEC#6 & ACC #4) |
Outback Bowl (SEC #4) |
Peach Bowl (SEC #5 & ACC #2) |
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Alamo Bowl (Big 12 #4) |
Liberty Bowl (SEC #7) |
Gator Bowl (ND Tie-in & Big 12) |
Gator Bowl (SEC & ACC) |
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Independence Bowl (Big 12 and SEC) |
Papa John’s Bowl (SEC Tie-in) |
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Champ Sports (ACC Tie-in) |
I probably missed a few more as well
Look at it this way. The bowls are going to stay where there is money to be made. The money in the Big 12 is with the new SEC teams plus Mizzou and Nebraska, who are headed to the Big 10. The money in the ACC is with the new SEC teams & Virginia Tech (maybe UNC, NCST and VA as well). The bowls will be happy to drop ties with Boston College, Wake Forrest, Kansas, Baylor and every other team that doesn’t travel well. That is just a fact. That means that the bowls will stick with the SEC, and every bowl will want a piece of the pie.
The SEC will now have four Tie-ins/Automatic Bids into the BCS games. The remnants of the ACC and Big East will come together to form whatever conference and they may or may not have an automatic bid with those teams. The new Big 10 will want 2 automatic bids, which I would have no problem with if they went to the 16 teams that have been rumored. If the Pac-10 expands, they too would want 2 automatic bids, which again, I would have no problem with. This leaves SEC wanting 4, Big 10 wanting 2, Pac 10 wanting 2, New Mid-West leftovers wanting 1 and New East Coast leftovers wanting 1. That is 12 auto BCS spots. This more than likely wouldn’t happen, even if the Citrus or Cotton Bowl became a BCS bowl, which my guess is that the Cotton probably will with the new stadium.
Odds are the SEC would only get 2 auto bids for its 1st round playoff winners (each division champ would still go to a BCS game, it just wouldn’t be tied to where they end up) and the Pac-10 and Big 10 would get the RoseBowl, with every other slot being an at large bid. But the kicker would be that any number of teams from a conference could go to a BCS game. Yeah, let that sink in. The SEC could get 8 teams into BCS games. SEC teams could play each other in BCS games. Since you only play a team twice every 10 years that isn’t in your division, it isn’t really a bad thing to see 2 SEC teams squaring off in a BCS bowl game. The rest of the bowls will have their traditional tie-ins. It will probably still work out where the western schools will be paired up with the Pac-10 for bowl games, while the eastern schools will be paired with the Big 10 for bowl games. It is the nature of the bowls now, no reason for that to change.
Summary
Mike Slive and Company need to change the climate in college football, not let the weather change them. In 1992, the SEC did just that, and in doing so, established the best conference in America for the past two decades. Now, the Big 10 seems to be pushing to do the exact same thing. Creating a wider and more talented conference, the Big 10 is trying to change the dynamics of college football. The SEC shouldn’t let another conference take the initiative on this. It shouldn’t play catch up or just try to match what other conferences do. By becoming a 20 team conference, there is no feasible way for any other conference to ever be able to match the SEC, because there won’t be enough quality teams left to do it. By doing so the SEC would have every BCS champion other than Ohio State and USC. They would have every team that has played in the championship game minus those 2, Nebraska and Virginia Tech. We would live in a college football reality where it would be easier to win the national championship than it would be to win the SEC. Every kid would want to play in the SEC, from all over the country. Everyone would want to watch SEC games, from all over the country. Road trips would be amazing in SEC country. One year you are in Austin, Texas, the next year a trip to Baton Rouge, the next trip to South Bend, and then next year brings Miami. It really can’t get any better than this proposal. In short, the SEC needs to be the college football empire that we have established ourselves to be. Make it happen Slive; if you build it, the money will come and won't stop flowing.
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I actually do not like a scenario that can end in multiple undefeated teams.
Furthermore, how does this impact basketball and baseball? I think a lot of conference realignment scenarios sorta ignore that question.
I do say though, if the Big Ten really does become the Big Sixteen, the SEC better follow suit quickly. Our move towards 12 teams and a championshp game (the first conference to do either, if I’m not mistaken), certainly put us in a position to be as dominant as we are. We cannot let somebody usurp us; we simply cannot.
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by Year2 on May 5, 2025 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You won't end up with multiple undefeated teams though
with 4 teams going to post-season SEC, no team will finish undefeated. That’s like saying you don’t like it when Florida and Alabama meet undefeated in the SEC championship game and that shouldn’t happen. This year it would have been Texas v. Alabama and Florida v. Clemson/Tennessee: then Alabama v. Florida for the championship.
Basketball is easy: You play everyone once and drop the divisions. Big East currently plays 18 conference games in basketball. There really isn’t a reason that the SEC can’t play 19.
Baseball: This one is a little trickier and doesn’t have as good of results. For the regular season you play everyone in your division = 4 series. Then you play 2 teams from every other division rotating through them = 6 series, which gives you the same amount of series that you currently have. The SEC Tournament might have to be switched to a single elimination tournament and invite everyone, or it will be severely harder to make the SEC tournament than it would be to make the NCAA tournament with all of the baseball powerhouses.
Baseball option 2: You could divide the league in half (east and west) and only play teams in your half of the league plus one other series with the other division. The divisions would have their own tournament and the tournament winners would meet for a single championship game to decide the SEC tournament champion.
by ColRebsLastBreath on May 5, 2025 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't like it
For the same reason I am for a playoff. (I am also not a fan of defacto expansion either) This decreases parity in college football (you know, what makes basketball interesting). If we go to super conferences, it leaves the rest of the teams in the country holding the bag. Football is already an expensive sport for most schools. How many will loose their programs? What happens to the ‘mid-majors’ of the world?
by Charlestowne on May 5, 2025 12:19 PM EDT reply actions
The SEC
isn’t in the business of supporting other schools. It is in the business of making money for itself and its own schools, which the above will do with amazing efficiency. The SEC is in the business of creating an advantage for its schools, which the 85 scholarship limit has severely handicapped its advantage recently.
I see what you mean, but do you really enjoy Boise St. in BCS games? I don’t. I have never been to their campus and have no reason to pull for them. I guess if you are a sidewalk fan to begin with its one thing, but I detest a school in the middle of nowhere with no real fanbase of alums playing a traditionally good team. Yeah its fun to laugh at the schools that lose to them (Alabama and Oklahoma) but if it was your alma mater, if you made it to the Sugar or Fiesta bowls, don’t you want to play some perceived competition?
by ColRebsLastBreath on May 5, 2025 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I want some of what you're smoking...
The SEC will NEVER get Texas or Notre Dame.
by devidee33 on May 5, 2025 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
Look behind you ...
that’s Paul Finebaum about to beat you like a mixed metaphor.
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by Ivory Tower on May 5, 2025 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i think it's the other way around. why would the sec want notre dame?
yes, so vanderbilt has a built in rivalry?
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by wolfmanshowlforever on May 5, 2025 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I have Notre Dame in this solely because it would bring in enormous amounts of money for every school in the SEC. Clemson makes much more sense, however Notre Dame has a national following and is a huge chip at the bargaining table for money in TV contracts. In reality, Notre Dame is the prize that every conference is fighting for in expansion, followed closely by Texas. Notre Dame makes no sense in the SEC, other than both the conference and the school would make large amounts of money off of each other.
by ColRebsLastBreath on May 5, 2025 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll bet a good amount of money
on Texas coming to the SEC. It will happen, whenever the Big XII goes kaput, which if 3 teams leave, it probably will. If only Mizzou leaves, then it can be replaced with TCU. If only Mizzou and Colorado leave, they can be replaced by TCU and SMU. However if Nebraska goes with the other two teams… the Big 12 just lost a big money maker in Nebraska.
In order to survive losing Nebraska, the Big XII would have to get Arkansas, which probably isn’t going to happen. It is much more likely that the best of the Big XII would come to the SEC before Arkansas left the pot of gold that the SEC offers.
by ColRebsLastBreath on May 5, 2025 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Booked...
Texas would go to the Pac 10 long before it goes to the SEC. The SEC simply isn’t strong enough when it comes to academics for a school like Texas…and yes, academics matter.
It’s not about money for a school like Texas. Hell, Texas is big/powerful enough that it could go it alone as an independent and still make boat loads of money.
by devidee33 on May 6, 2025 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
No... on all accounts actually.
http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/2010/04/finebaum_how_texas_nearly_join.html
Texas almost joined the SEC in 1992. They don’t have a problem joining the SEC for academic reasons. People/Corporations who are paying/funding schools to do their research don’t look at what conference the athletic teams of a school play in. If you really think that is a main criteria, you are a moron. Research funding has nothing to do with college football.
As for academic prestige in conferences, the SEC is on the same level as the Big 12 already, and if it adds Texas and other schools, the prestige is significantly better than the Big XII’s current state. Here are the school rankings from US News.
SEC
Vanderbilt(17)
Florida(47)
Georgia(58)
Auburn(88)
Alabam(96)
Tennessee(106)
South Carolina(110)
Arkansas(128)
Kentucky(128)
LSU (128)
Ole Miss(unranked)
Mississppi(unranked)
Big XII
Texas(47)
Texas A&M(61)
Colorado(77)
Baylor(80)
Iowa State(88)
Kansas(96)
Nebraska(96)
Mizzu(102)
Oklahoma(102)
Colorado State(128)
Oklahoma State(unranked)
Kansas State(unranked)
Texas wouldn’t even be the best school in the SEC, though they currently are in the Big XII. The Pac-10 would never get the TV contract the SEC would. It is on the West Coast which means that there just aren’t enough time slots to accommodate an SEC size TV contract.
I will agree with you that Texas could probably hold its own as an independent, but Texas A&M couldn’t, which is what blocked Texas the first go around with the SEC. They also wouldn’t make near as much money as they could by being a part of the SEC (Notre Dame lags behind most BCS conferences and Texas doesn’t have a national following as big as the Irish). Money triumphs all when it comes to college athletics, because that is what pays the bills and scholarships for the players to play.
by ColRebsLastBreath on May 6, 2025 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
But where does the Pac 10 rank vs the SEC when it comes to academics?
Texas is part of the Big 12 because of location and tradition. Neither of those come in to play with the SEC. It the Big 12 were to dissolve academics would certainly play a role in where Texas would decide to go.
by devidee33 on May 6, 2025 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Also,
it’s not simply a football decision. Texas is great in all sports including basketball.
by devidee33 on May 6, 2025 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Q.E.D.
His points were that (1) if academics aren’t an issue for Texas in the Big XII, then they certainly wouldn’t be an issue in the SEC and (2) the SEC will always be able to offer a better TV contract than the Pac-10 because of its location. Sure, the Pac-10 is easily a superior academic conference, but the SEC is beyond their current threshold as well. As for the all-sports argument, the SEC is much more than a football conference, though it is preeminent at that; Florida is the all-sport king at the moment, if I’m not mistaken. ColRebsLastBreath’s argument is valid and true…
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by ejruiz on May 6, 2025 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We'll see...
again, I’d book any bet against Texas ever being a member of the SEC.
Oh, and Finebaum’s “article” is a joke.
Why Texas didn’t join in ‘92 is pure speculation. The fact is they didn’t.
by devidee33 on May 6, 2025 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd
Couldn’t have said it better myself
by ColRebsLastBreath on May 6, 2025 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Colorado State isn't a member of the Big 12
I think you’re missing Texas Tech (I doubt it matters to your argument)
by devidee33 on May 6, 2025 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
This is...
The only attractive superconference idea I’ve seen. Well done.
by commodore_dude on May 5, 2025 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
I bet Texas would love to join us, Notre Dame is what we don't need
we don’t need yankee teams in the SEC. Oh.. and +1 on this post
...in dixie land i'll take my stand: rooting for Atlanta
by southman on May 5, 2025 7:03 PM EDT reply actions
sadly it doesn't matter anymore.
it’s not about southern loyalty, it’s about the pesos mi amigo.
Way down South in Mississippi... the Rebs kick your ass.
by Blue Chip Prospect on May 6, 2025 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
unfortunately
...in dixie land i'll take my stand: rooting for Atlanta
by southman on May 6, 2025 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting...
I am currently ambivalent in the matter of conference expansion. I think all the current hullabaloo will result in only minor shifts (Missouri/Pittsburgh to the Big Ten and/or Colorado and BYU/Utah/TCU/Boise State to the Pac-10 and/or two of BYU/Utah/TCU/Boise State to the Big XII) so the SEC would and should stand pat. Even if the Big Ten goes all the way up to 16 teams, I still don’t foresee the fall of the Big XII. The Big East, as a football conference? Sure. What I’m really not seeing is the collapse of the ACC, which you have happening.
All that said, I like that you’re thinking outside the box. I also like the “go big or go home” mentality behind it. I would love almost every aspect of every permutation, to be honest. That said, I’m not sure it’s all very realistic. Really interesting read, though, so thanks for sharing!
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by ejruiz on May 5, 2025 10:08 PM EDT reply actions
As a guy from CSS(regional sports channel) said,
Don’t fix what’s not broke and the SEC is not broke
...in dixie land i'll take my stand: rooting for Atlanta
by southman on May 6, 2025 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting
read. I will say that as a Gator, that division is pretty ridiculous. I don’t see ND ever coming to the SEC. Someone mentioned above about how academics would deter Texas (which isn’t true), but in reality they could deter ND. I just don’t think ND really blends with SEC culture, and the same goes for Miami. Everything about them IMO is bad for the SEC…thug image, small fanbase, don’t travel well, broke, and even location. I’m not dogging on Miami as a city, but’s certainly not your typical SEC town. Don’t believe me, real quick think about Gainesville, Knoxville, Athens, Tuscaloosa, and now Miami…one of these things is not like the other
by Cardsfan25 on May 7, 2025 7:48 PM EDT reply actions
After Notre Dame says no
the next offer should go to North Carolina.
Make it UNC & Duke over Clemson & Miami if necessary.
Better national brands, more money, corner a top 10 state in population, and improve basketball and edukashun (if you’re into those things).
by GwinnettGamecock on May 10, 2025 8:23 PM EDT reply actions
Then you are talking about a very very stacked basketball division
North 1. Kentucky 2. Tennessee 3. Vanderbilt 4. Duke 5. North Carolina
East 1. Florida 2. Georgia 3. South Carolina 4. Florida State 5. Georgia Tech
You could abandon geography and go this way to make it more even I guess…
Duke, North Carolina, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Tennessee
THEN
Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Florida, Florida State, South Carolina
by ColRebsLastBreath on May 17, 2025 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
how long did that take to do that fan post? that might be the longest and detailed i have ever seen.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on May 11, 2025 2:48 PM EDT reply actions
3 hours of straight typing
6 1/2 pages in Microsoft Word… easy compared to studying for Payment Systems and Damages/Remedies
by ColRebsLastBreath on May 17, 2025 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure if I would be for this,
but I give you props for thinking outside of the box. Actually, you do get around one huge problem that I have with a 16 team, 2 division superconference. Some of the proposals for a 16 team SEC that I’ve seen have Alabama and Auburn moving to the east while several big 12 teams enter the west. Well, that would ruin the Alabama/Florida SEC championship rivalry and prevent Alabama and UT from ever meeting in the championship game. 8 teams is too much for one division, but you have come up with a brilliant solution.
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by Zoltar on May 13, 2025 12:13 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed
I hate every scenario that comes along with a 16 team conference. I would rather go to 24 teams than to 16. Any division with over 6 teams just doesn’t work.
by ColRebsLastBreath on May 17, 2025 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Slow clap...Innovative
Very, very innovative. I think I’m on board with Zoltar’s comments, but as far as a mega-conference goes, it’s actually tenable, unlike the old WAC formula.
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by Stuck in the Plains on May 13, 2025 1:18 PM EDT reply actions
MY ATTENDANCE STREAK
I’m totally AGAINST expansion on this scale for this reason: I go to every single Auburn football game. I have been to the past 81 straight (home, away, SECCG and bowl games). If this happened, I don’t see how I could financially continue my streak. I can’t afford to go to Austin one weekend and Miami the next… Or Clemson one weekend and Norman the next. It’s hard enough as it is when I have back-to-back trips to Knoxville and Fayetteville… or Fayetteville and Baton Rouge. That’s physically exhausting for me, and I’m only 23 lol.
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by AUshorecm on May 21, 2025 5:13 AM EDT reply actions
Actually, this may help you out then...
You would still only play 4 away games in the SEC. Only 2 of them would be out of your division, and every other year, one of those trips is to Athens. You get to drop having to go to Fayetteville every other year, and instead get to upgrade the destination to Austin, College Station, Norman or Sweetwater. Yeah it may be further away, but there are more hotels and better accommodations/cheaper accommodations at all of those locations. Here is how the away schedule would look for Auburn:
1st year of rotating
Away: Tuscaloosa
Away: Starkville
Away: Athens (Rival in East)
Away: West Division (Fayetteville, Norman, Sweetwater, Austin, College Station)
2nd year of rotation
Away: Baton Rouge
Away: Oxford
Away: North (Lexington, Nashville, Knoxville, Columbia, South Bend/Clemson)
Away: East (Gainsville, Tallahassee, Atlanta, Miami)
Then repeat with rotating the team you play.
Basically, you have 3 long road trips every 2 years. Thats about the same as it is now with the schedule we currently have.
by ColRebsLastBreath on May 22, 2025 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yet another example of
the professionalization of college football by the SEC. So once this new system is in place are you going to find a loophole in the NCAA by-laws that enables players to act like free agents? This is everything that is wrong with the mindset of SEC fans. If you want professional sports, lobby the NFL to expand and create new teams in your city, then you can enjoy all the playoffs, free agency, and professionalism the NFL has to offer.
There is something to be said for college football rivalry games and only playing your rival team once a year.
I won’t even go into the many, many reasons something like this will never happen, other than to say that for most University Presidents around the country there is more to their University than football - I know that is not the case in the SEC because most SEC schools are a football program with a school attached, but in the vast majority of the rest of the country most schools are a university with a football team attached.
Lastly, as to the comment about the 85 scholarship limit hurting the SEC that is a total pile of BS - the SEC oversigns more players than anyone else in the country. If the 85 limit has hurt anyone it is the Big 10 because they are the ones that actually recruit in accordance with an 85 roster limit.
by tafkastosub on May 30, 2025 12:01 PM EDT reply actions

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