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The Search For Number 14

Well, it's looking more and more like Texas A&M to the SEC is inevitable. And it seems like the only thing holding things up at this point is who the 14th team will be. It is widely assumed that Mike Slive will want to keep an even number of teams and create balanced divisions, so if A&M joins, then someone else does, too.

But who could that 14th school be?

Follow after the jump and we'll look at a few names that have popped up over the last couple of days.

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I've split the teams up into different categories based geography, and their relationships with teams already in the SEC

Category 1: Eastern teams without a current SEC team in their state

In my opinion, these are the most desirable teams for SEC expansion. They can bring in an eastern team, so as not to create a scheduling nightmare while at the same time not offering any competition to current SEC members.

Virginia Tech

  • Pros: Football school with rich tradition and passionate fans; Would be competitive right away, especially in the weak East; Gets the SEC into Virginia and, more importantly, Washington D.C. TV markets
  • Cons: Are there really any cons? None immediately come to mind.

Maryland

  • Pros: Brings in D.C. and Maryland TV markets; Gives the SEC another basketball school.
  • Cons: Not much football history; Would most likely give Vanderbilt and Kentucky company as bottom feeders in the SEC East; Travel a big issue, especially for non-revenue sports.

Virginia

  • Pros: Geography; Academics; And uh.... yeah, academics.
  • Cons: Pretty much a non-factor in football - occasionally competitive in basketball;

North Carolina, Duke, NC State

  • Pros: Excellent academics; Natural geographic fit; Historic rivalries, especially in basketball; NC State and UNC competitive in football.
  • Cons: I put these three together for a reason. Because of their rich history together, the SEC would almost certainly have to take all three or none to get them to budge.  I highly doubt that would happen as they also have historical ties to the ACC. As much as we'd like to dream about plucking UNC or NC State, it just doesn't appear very realistic.

Of that group, Virginia Tech appears to be the only legitimate candidate. They'd also make the most sense out of all of the teams in talks to join. If I'm Mike Slive, I'm inviting Virginia Tech into serious discussions about joining the SEC.

Category 2: Eastern teams with a current SEC team in their state

There have been reports floated around that schools like Florida, Georgia and South Carolina would veto any proposal that involved in-state rivals joining the conference, so while these teams will get serious looks from Slive, they may not make the final cut.

Florida State, Miami

  • Pros: Good fit geographically; Both with rich football tradition and an historic rivalry; FSU appears to be heading toward national title contention under Jimbo Fisher, would be the favorite to win the East as it currently stands; Miami currently middle of the pack, but will be back eventually; Expand the Florida TV market.
  • Cons: Tough to see Florida signing off on either of these moves. They already play FSU every year, and don't have any desire to play the 'Canes. Miami with a history of scandal - is the SEC going to take that into consideration in the current climate?

Georgia Tech/Clemson

  • Pros: Both already smack dab in the middle, location-wise; Both competitive in football; GT is a former SEC member; Already established rivalries with Georgia/South Carolina
  • Cons: As with FSU and Miami, it's been reported that the league feels they're already doing well enough in curent TV markets that they don't feel a need to add teams in states where they already have teams.

South Florida/Louisville

  • Pros: Both mid-tier football schools nationally, but who have had an occasional run or two of greatness; Louisville gives SEC another legitimate basketball school.
  • Cons: Where do we even start? These are pipe dreams of the two schools' respective fanbases - nothing more.

FSU, UM, GT, and Clemson would all be great fits - athletically and academically - in the conference, but right now it appears their geography may get in the way. Could it still happen though? Absolutely.

Category 3: Another Big 12 School

These teams probably make the most sense on the field, especially accompanying Texas A&M, but will cause a massive headache for those creating the schedule and conference alignment. Does the league care? We'll soon find out.

Oklahoma/Oklahoma State

  • Pros: Elite football tradition (especially OU); Would create a natural rival with A&M; Expanded TV market into Oklahoma; Oklahoma an instant co-favorite in the conference.
  • Cons: Like UNC/Duke/NC State, it appears that one won't go without the other, and if the SEC wants to take both they'll have to add one more, in addition to A&M, and create the first 16-team "super conference" - something I'm not quite sure the league is ready to do yet. Also, the travel is an issue, again especially with the non-revenue sports.

Missouri

  • Pros: St. Louis TV market; Competitive football team - would be right in the middle of the pack this year;
  • Cons: Geography/travel; May want to keep their rivalry with Kansas, but that could be played as an out of conference game a la FSU/Florida or Clemson/South Carolina.

Missouri definitely makes the most sense out of these teams, as it would be difficult to pry Oklahoma out of the Big 12 without taking Oklahoma State with 'em. Missouri really has no deep ties to the conference and is kind of stuck in the middle geographically between the Big 12, Big 10, and SEC. But again, scheduling and division alignment become big factors when one starts talking about adding a second Big 12 team.

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If I had to rate the expansion candidates listed above in terms of their likelihood of actually joining the SEC, I'd rank them like this:

  1. Virginia Tech
  2. Missouri
  3. Florida State
  4. Miami
  5. Clemson
  6. Georgia Tech
  7. Oklahoma/Oklahoma State
  8. Maryland/Virginia
  9. UNC/Duke/NC State
  10. South Florida
  11. Louisville

My bet is on Virgina Tech, as it would create balanced divisions, while also adding a legitimate contender to the SEC.

What say you? Who would you like to see as the 14th team in the SEC?

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I don’t even know how Louisville merits a mention. Nothing against the school or program, but they don’t bring the SEC anything new or positive. They’re a fine institution, but with Kentucky already in the fold, why add another basketball school with football aspirations?

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by blackertai on Aug 14, 2025 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

What about ...

West Virginia? How about Wake Forest?

by AuburnMisfit on Aug 14, 2025 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

wake forest?

Why on earth would they be a good get (other than academics)?

by Mark Mandingo on Aug 14, 2025 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I never even thought of Wake

They are a very good basketball school. In football they are much weaker obviously.

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by Gregatron on Aug 14, 2025 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

the reason no ones has thought of wake

is that they bring you nothing except academics and a decent basketball tradition. Academics is important but it can’t overcome not generating tv money.

On the other hand, I think academics would prevent Louisville and WVU from being invited. I know its snobby, but every conference is also trying to improve academics as well. If WVU where in Pittsburgh or could get that market very interested, maybe it could overcome that. But I doubt it. WVU and Louisville would come in at or very near the bottom of the conference academically.

by Mark Mandingo on Aug 14, 2025 2:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

About divisions

Who says divisions have to be geographically based? They could be crafted to preserve traditional rivalries. (And they don’t need to be named something lame like Legends and Leaders.)

Also, I think you left out West Virginia, as AuburnMisfit noted.

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by Gregatron on Aug 14, 2025 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

but there's such a tangled knot of rivalries, that that makes it tough

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by Incipient_Senescence on Aug 14, 2025 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The teams I would want

if the SEC adds another Western team…it needs to be the caliber of Oklahoma because assuming the divisions are still geographically based, that would mean moving Alabama and Auburn to the East.

if we add an Eastern team…well…this is where it gets murky…I would love to see Florida State because they seem to be an up and coming team. A team that could compete in the SEC in two or three years

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by Richie Grogan on Aug 14, 2025 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

First post here

But I think this is falling into place way too quickly, and there are some things that need to be addressed with longer term implications. First of all, I suspect the 16 team mega conference is coming, and will be here in 5 years or less, from what I am reading.

One of the biggest problems comes from scheduling. Basically, we’d be looking at a nine game conference schedule. With a 14 team conference, we would have a 6 game intra-division and 3 game inter-division schedule, which leave plenty of room for a permanent inter-division rival. In a 16 team conference, we’d be looking at a 7 game intra-division and 2 game inter-division conference schedule. That leaves us with two unpalatable choices. We could either get rid of the permanent inter-division rival, and eliminate Alabama-Tennessee, Florida-LSU, and Georgia-Auburn, or keep the rival, and only be able to cycle through the other division only once every 7 or 14 years, depending on home and home arrangements. A third option would be to split into 4 divisions, but that would take a lot of groundwork to get to that point, and it would be best to wait a few years, and see how a 14 team conference develops, and what other problems might show themselves in the meantime.

With that in mind, what team gives us the best chance to remain at 14 for a few years. Under these restraints, I suspect it would be from either WVU or Louisville from the Big East. Taking one each from the Big XII and Big East would still leave them as viable conferences, and might lead them to take a team from lower non-AQ conferences, say Houston and UCF respectively. On the other hand, if the ACC were to lose a team, we might see a domino effect start up. Not saying that it would or would not happen in either of these scenarios, just my opinion of likelyhood. Once it gets going, it would be very easy to see the Big XII disappear, the ACC and Big East more or less merge, the Big 10 and Pac 12 also pushing to 16, and running into all kinds of chaos, for several years.

One other advantage I could see if we stuck at 14 for a few years is that the other major conferences could see how it works for the SEC (assuming we could convince them to hold off expansion for the time being), and if it becomes unmanageable, then it would be easier to undo. Four 16 team mega conferences would be much harder to undo. We’re seeing right now the consequences of a conference (possibly) falling apart, and while Oklahoma and Texas will come out fine, the fate of teams like Kansas, Kansas St., and Missouri is far from certain.

by corwin613 on Aug 14, 2025 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I would argue that since we know the mega-conference will eventually come, why not start it so as to get the best schools out there? I agree that a 16 team conference could make it difficult for scheduling, but I’m in favor of four divisions of four. The NFL schedules for a 32 team league with 16 teams in a conference and 4 teams in a division; I’m sure that the SEC could schedule something that makes sense with half as many teams.

For example, say there are divisions A, B, C, and D. Team 1 in A would play all of the other teams in A every year. They would also play every team in another division (rotating, but lets just say its B for example), with a fixed game from a team in the other two divisions (C and D). That gives 9 games (3+4+2) a season in conference. That gives you the fixed rivalries and a rotating schedule (with each team having technically three fixed rivalries, but one would always be in the rotating division). The team with the best record in their division+their rotating division would make it to the SEC championship game (in this example, the best team from A+B, and the best team from C+D).

How does that sound?

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by Andrew Tessier on Aug 14, 2025 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's exactly the plan that I've been pushing for two weeks

which is to say I like it

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by Incipient_Senescence on Aug 14, 2025 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why can't the SEC teams have

both their 2 rivalries, and the two rotationals?

And that leaves the schools out of scheduling cupcakes, which makes the conference stronger?

I for one would love to lose a weak Kent State, North Texas or Georgia Southern.

by Durdens Wrath on Aug 15, 2025 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

you're wrong, that doesn't lose out on scheduling cupcakes

that loses out on scheduling good non-conference games. Alabama/Penn State? Gone. Tennessee/Oregon? Nope. Auburn/Clemson? See ya. Arkansas/Texas A&M? Well, they can stay, but for different reasons.

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by Incipient_Senescence on Aug 15, 2025 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why would you lose good OOC?

Alabama/Penn State is a ratings and money WINNAR.

I’d love the by-laws to be modified so you HAVE to schedule a good team. And reduce the cupcakes.

by Durdens Wrath on Aug 15, 2025 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

is this a serious question?

Yes, it gives good ratings. But it also takes away a home game every other year, which is actually a money loser. And it makes it that much harder to go undefeated. when you’re adding a tough game, you typically exchange it for another tough game, not for a breather.

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by Incipient_Senescence on Aug 15, 2025 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, but you win the SOS by a long shot.

Plus, you have to keep the fans buying tickets.

Alabama hasn’t shied away from losing home games, to schedule the toughies. I’d hope they’d step up and lose a cupcake, to keep those quality games coming.

Because nobody wants to lose a quality OOC game for N. Texas.

by Durdens Wrath on Aug 15, 2025 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tennessee hasn't shied away from it either

look at the last 20 years plus what we have on the docket for the next eight. But the fact is, we’ve expressed a desire (that’s fairly common) for 7.5 home games a year. When you have one major OOC foe every year in a home and home, that’s exactly what you get. But when you replace that with a conference game, then adding a major OOC opponent drops you to 7 per year.

Regarding buying tickets, the additional conference serves the exact same role that the high-profile OOC game used to. Actually, they fulfill the same role in almost every way (the Vols do a lot of out of state recruiting, so we schedule non-conference games in recruiting hotbeds. That role is not filled by the new conference game unless we play Texas A&M. but apart from that. . . ).

And winning SOS has no part of this argument. Yes, the team that plays road games against Oregon, Auburn, Alabama, Florida, Vanderbilt, and Texas A&M in one season has a stronger schedule than the team that plays road games against Oregon, Auburn, Alabama, Florida, and Vanderbilt (this is Tennessee’s 2013 schedule from which I’m drawing the example). But at that point, SOS isn’t even a debate. Either of those schedules will be competing for toughest in the country. You could also win SOS by scheduling Southern Cal, Oregon, and Oklahoma as your OOC games, but you don’t see anyone doing that.

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Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!

by Incipient_Senescence on Aug 15, 2025 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

True.

What I meant is, your SOS isn’t helped by your Wyoming (for UT) or your Kent States.

by Durdens Wrath on Aug 15, 2025 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but you get to a point

where you have such a murderer’s row in conference that it doesn’t matter anymore.

I’m a huge fan of the big intersectional games (probably in no small part because my team has been a major factor in big intersectional games), but I worry that they’ll die out if we move to a 9-game conference schedule. Props to the Pac-12 for keeping theirs, but. . . the SEC grind is probably a bit worse than the Pac-12 grind.

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by Incipient_Senescence on Aug 15, 2025 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the SEC goes to 16

I think one of the better possibilities would be A&M, OU, OSU, Mizzou. That way it’d be four groups of four. Far West: OU, OSU, Texas A&M, Mizzou; West: LSU, Arkansas, Miss St, Ole Miss; East: Bama, Auburn, Vandy, UT; Far East: UGA, UF, USC, UK. They’re not terribly unbalanced, with every division having two annual contenders.

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by Andrew Tessier on Aug 14, 2025 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

define "annual contenders"

I understand that Arkansas and Texas A&M are better than Tennessee this year, but I have a hard time swallowing that the first two are annual contenders and the latter is not.

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by Incipient_Senescence on Aug 14, 2025 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

(that said, I do think that alignment could work well)

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by Incipient_Senescence on Aug 14, 2025 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right, the Far West division, IMO, would be weaker than the East division, as Bama, Auburn, and UT are all historically good teams, while the Far West would be OU and a slightly lower tier of A&M, OSU, and Mizzou. Heck, one could argue the same with the West division being weaker than the East or even the Far East. But the divisions make sense geographically, and the differences in strength aren’t totally objectionable. At the very least, one would say that there is one potential SEC championship contender in each division. Furthermore, with the schedule I posted above, each of those divisions would be tested by another, so I think it would roughly even out. Picking the fixed rivals could be tough, but also very fun. OU vs. Arkansas, Auburn, UF, every year? LSU vs A&M, Bama, UF? UF vs. OU, LSU, UT? Man, those are some pretty awesome line ups.

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by Andrew Tessier on Aug 14, 2025 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, I like the set up

And I’m not even sure that the Far West division is weaker overall, as its stronger at the bottom than any of the others. The East has the best top three, far and away, but they also have Vanderbilt. If we go to 16 teams, this is exactly how I want it to shake down. Fun trying to see what the rivalries would be too. How’s this for a try:

Far East vs. East
Georgia vs. Auburn (current protected game)
Florida vs. Bama
Kentucky vs Tennessee (non-negotiable for Kentucky)
Carolina vs Vandy

Far East vs West
Florida vs LSU (current protected game)
Georgia vs Ole Miss
Carolina vs Arkansas (current protected game)
Kentucky vs Miss St (current protected game)

Far East vs. Far West
Kentucky vs Missouri (border state battle)
Georgia vs Oklahoma (after Florida got Bama and LSU, they can’t get OU)
Florida vs. A&M
Carolina vs. Okie State

East vs West
Alabama vs Miss St
Auburn vs LSU
Tennessee vs Arkansas (once a great matchup, see here, here, and here)
Vandy vs Ole Miss (current protected game)

East vs Far West
Bama vs. Oklahoma
Auburn vs Okie State
Tennessee vs. A&M (nice military theme)
Vandy vs Missouri (border state battle)

West vs Far West
Arkansas vs A&M
LSU vs. Missouri (Missouri already got Kentucky and Vandy, they can’t get off that easy)
Ole Miss vs. Oklahoma (MSU got Bama, OM gets OU)
Miss St vs. Okie St

Heel for school, Vol for life!

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by Incipient_Senescence on Aug 14, 2025 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been looking at WVU...

and while they don’t have a high academic reputation they are not as bad as some people(Big 10 snobs) think. They were recently rated a Tier 1 institution. They aren’t an AAU school like A&M or UNC or someone like that, but they would not drag down the conference. I’ve also seen some stuff on other publications that say WVU is 13th nationally in merchandise sales. They are definitely very popular in West Virginia much like the Hogs in Arkansas. WV is not a highly populated state, but they bring a high capacity of dedicated football(and basketball for that matter) TV watchers. They would open up access to Pittsburgh and also DC TV markets although certainly the SEC wouldn’t be the prime time player in those markets.

And as some have said, WVU would open up brand new markets with no current SEC team.

by AllTideUp on Aug 14, 2025 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

if you put stock

in US News and World Report college rankings, the rank below MS State and I think state is the lowest ranked school in the conference. Same for Louisville.

by Mark Mandingo on Aug 14, 2025 4:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's true....

but I’m not sure those rankings are reflective of reality on the ground. There are many factors that those news publications put in there and I kind of think the whole idea of ranking universities is relative anyway regardless of what criteria you use. Different departments are stronger than others and different colleges are stronger than others within the same university.

I’m not even sure actually that WVU is rated a Tier 1 institution. I got that information from a WVU guy so maybe he doesn’t really know either.

by AllTideUp on Aug 15, 2025 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

tier 1 is a very unspecific thing

It’s not really defined by one organization, there’s a lot of different things that go into it. It’s not really very prestigious. I think its more of a bigger deal to small universities that don’t have huge endowments. Most flagship universities are tier 1. But pretty much by any measurement, WVU would be at the bottom of the SEC academically. I’m sure they have some great programs but overall they don’t bring anything to the SEC except a decent football tradition.

by Mark Mandingo on Aug 15, 2025 3:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If not Oklahoma...

It will be Missouri. The KC and St. Louis TV markets are too big to pass on. Columbia is not really any farther north than Lexington, and just a little west of Baton Rouge. Geographically, it is not so much of a stretch.

by Arkansawyer on Aug 14, 2025 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Mizzou would be fine....

I don’t know that they are the best though. If you add another team to the West then you are going to have to realign the divisions and that in and of itself will cause problems.

Also, even though Missouri has bigger TV markets than other options they are not the big time sports draw in that state. STL and KC have a lot of very popular sports teams. I think this is the reason that the Big 10 passed them up for Nebraska last year even though NE has far fewer people than MO. Nebraska brings a higher capacity of TV watchers from within their state and the region. They are also a higher draw nationally.

by AllTideUp on Aug 14, 2025 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

“The SEC Presidents and Chancellors met today and reaffirmed our satisfaction with the present 12 institutional alignment. We recognize, however, that future conditions may make it advantageous to expand the number of institutions in the league. We discussed criteria and process associated with expansion. No action was taken with respect to any institution including Texas A&M."

by RjTheMetalhead on Aug 14, 2025 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree

That’s a non statement-statement. Basically it just says we will not steal A&M from the big 12. But if they leave, we’ll listen.

by Mark Mandingo on Aug 14, 2025 4:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t think today’s news means all that much except that the SEC doesn’t want to get sued for raiding the Big 12. I also think they want to have a 14th team firmly in place before OK-ing the A&M move.

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by Marc Torrence on Aug 14, 2025 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Radical idea for a 16 team SEC

(okay maybe not)

Dispense with divisions. Team one and team two (who might both be undefeated) play in the SEC championship.

Keep Bama-UT, Auburn-UGA and other annual interdivision games. It’s a simple, yet effective solution.

The only controversy would be tiebreakers, but those already exist.

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by Gregatron on Aug 14, 2025 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I could be mistaken

But I always thought that the rule that allows a championship game requires divisions. But like I said, I could be wrong.

by Mark Mandingo on Aug 14, 2025 5:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If SEC's history with the NCAA has taught us anything...

… it’s that rules were made to be broken and/or modified after they become inconvenient.

by vineyarddawg on Aug 14, 2025 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is somewhat of a deal. By slowing this process down the SEC will see how a&m is going to handle the State meeting Tuesday. Of course it may have no impact or it could change the SEC’s mind all together. I don’t know I’m just thinking out loud I guess, I don’t know if the politics of Texas can keep a&m around or not.

by Aaron.50cal on Aug 14, 2025 5:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Why is UNC included?

The NCAA is about the bring the hammer down on the football program.

Anyway, football is nothing more than the opening act in that part of the country.

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by Black ice in Alabama on Aug 14, 2025 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Mizzou. Mizzou. Mizzou.

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