Sprints is Hung Over on Creme Eggs // 04.25.11

by Year2 on Apr 25, 2025 10:29 AM EDT in Sprints

I wasn't alive for some of these, and I certainly don't remember several others. Still, it's cool to see how TV has introduced college football over time. My favorite is the ABC intro where the "quarterback" is wearing No. 46. Did Not Do the Research, indeed.

Where there's smoke...

Reports have said that early on in Urban Meyer's tenure at UF, one of his biggest problems was getting rid of the widespread pot usage that went on with the team under Ron Zook. It never went away, with high profile incidents including starting DT Marcus Thomas getting booted from the team for failed drug tests in the middle of the 2006 season and Percy Harvin's failed test before the NFL Draft.

Four months into Will Muschamp's time at UF, the team has seen four marijuana arrests. Janoris Jenkins picked up his second arrest on Saturday, while it's just now being reported Chris Martin and Kedric Johnson were arrested on pot charges back in January. Muschamp said that Jenkins would be given internal punishment after his first arrest; no one from UF has commented on these new reports from the weekend.

Muschamp spent a lot of time talking in his introductory press conference about "the Florida Way" and how discipline was going to be a major focus of his. All right then coach, here's your chance to prove it.

The case that's setting an NCAA land speed record.

Ohio State has received a Notice of Allegations from the NCAA regarding Jim Tressel, and that's been a story for what, two months now? That's some serious hustle from the glacially slow NCAA on this one. OSU could be charged as a repeat violator thanks to Troy Smith getting money from a booster a while back and violations in the basketball program. Notably, it's not facing "lack of institutional control" or "failure to monitor" charges.

The fact that Ohio State is not going up against those charges reinforces the notion that the NCAA believed that Tressel really didn't tell his president or AD about anything. Backing that up is seven months' worth of Tressel's emails.

Don't get too excited, Razorbacks.

The only game of the Buckeyes' 2010 season that can't be vacated is the Sugar Bowl, as the five players in question were officially ruled eligible for that game. In hindsight, allowing the Buckeye Five to play in that Sugar Bowl might have been the NCAA's singularly worst decision of the last 10 years., and that includes all the messing around with the clock rules that went on from 2005-08.

Tell me something we didn't know.

Mark Richt was not pleased with his team's effort last year. With all that soon-to-be NFL drafted talent and a 6-7 record, that's Captain Obvious territory right there. One name to watch for this year is JUCO transfer nose tackle John Jenkins.

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Can they really not be retroactively ruled ineligible?

Since the circumstances around timeline of their violations have demonstrably changed? That seems obtuse… but this is the NCAA we’re talking about.

A vacation wouldn’t give us a W, anyways.

by dxf04 on Apr 25, 2025 10:39 AM EDT reply actions

The NCAA has a history of retroactively ruling a player inelligible that it had previously ruled eligible

Derrick Rose is one example

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by btcoop71 on Apr 25, 2025 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions

It's complicated

I think there has to be additional evidence against the players to reverse a ruling, which I believe was the case with Rose. So far with this Ohio State case, none of the extra evidence has come against the players; what they’re accused of hasn’t changed since January, so I don’t know if the NCAA will go back and reverse its eligibility ruling regarding the bowl.

That’s very nuanced, but the NCAA loves it some nuance. For what it’s worth, the Columbus Dispatch reporters also think the Sugar Bowl win is not on the line here.

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by Year2 on Apr 25, 2025 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions

True.

I know that nuance is important to the NCAA.
But, I thought part of the rationale behind the Tat Five being eligible for the Sugar Bowl was that OSU was aware of the violations prior to the first reports in December.

It’s now known that, while the OSU AD and compliance dept. were (probably) in the dark, Tressel both knew and conferred with at least some of the players to warn them, if only indirectly. Does that not change anything with regards to the players?

by dxf04 on Apr 25, 2025 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Wait --

Tressel lied about the allegations and that’s not lack of institutional control?!?

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by cocknfire on Apr 25, 2025 11:19 AM EDT reply actions

If I looked up lack of institutional control in a glossary of NCAA terms...

Wouldn’t that BE the definition?

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by LSU Jonno on Apr 25, 2025 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions

I think lack of institutional control has to do with the policies and procedures that a school has in place and to what degree they prevent malfeasance. I think the NCAA found that everything Ohio State as an institution has and does is sufficient as long as everyone buys in.

One rogue employee doesn’t mean that your institution has no control. After all, just about any policies you put in place in the end rely on people being honest. The NCAA is pinning everything here on Tressel personally rather than on the school as a whole, though the school as a whole will suffer thanks to that rogue employee.

Unless Ohio State had an independent person reading all of the head football coach’s emails, and the NCAA doesn’t require or even suggest that schools should have that, it couldn’t have prevented this fiasco. My educated guess is that’s why OSU didn’t get a lack of institutional control here.

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by Year2 on Apr 25, 2025 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions

I guess

It still seems like this would be exactly the kind of thing that suggests the institution doesn’t have control of its sports program — if the coach can be aware of this and hide it from the administration.

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by cocknfire on Apr 25, 2025 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Well, it's all in how you interpret the rules.

As someone who is not a lawyer and has zero experience with the NCAA rulebook…

I just kind of assumed that not having institutional control meant that employees of the university were knowledgeable cooperating in said malfeasance. I think that is quite a bit different and more serious than boosters hiding their dirty deeds from the university.

Under my interpretation, it doesn’t matter if it’s one employee or 50…It only matters that it is an employee. Maybe that is wrong.

But under your interpretation, how many employees does it take for it to go from “a rogue employee” to “lack of institutional control”? Two Dudes? five? ten? Keep in mind that Tressel isn’t just some dude. He’s the face of the fricken program, the the most highly paid person in the sate of Ohio. (Assumption)

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by LSU Jonno on Apr 25, 2025 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions

USC

Weren’t they just hammered for “lack of institutional control” in their situation? Wasn’t the argument that a coach knew or should have known about Reggie Bush’s and the Bush family’s transgressions? That sounds exactly like what Tressel is accused of here. I know the NCAA doesn’t tend to give a rat’s ass about consistency or exercising any semblance of common sense, but the accusations here are similar to those at USC. Granted, the $$ amounts were way higher at USC, so the punishments may not be the same, but if they were hit with lack of institutional control, then Tressel is at least in the same boat.

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by AuditDawg on Apr 25, 2025 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes and no

USC was about the idea that the institution itself knew or should have known about Bush’s family’s extra benefits. The wannabe agents who gave it to them were hanging around the program constantly, after all. While an assistant coach was found to have known and not reported the violations like with Tressel, the NCAA said that the compliance department should have known regardless. That’s why USC got a failure to monitor charge, which goes hand-in-hand with LOIC.

Lack of institutional control is all about a school’s policies and procedures and how it enforces them. It’s about looking at the institution as a whole. Did Ohio State have required procedures in place and did it enforce them? The NCAA is saying that yes, it did.

LOIC requires a failure of the compliance department, essentially. It’s about more than any one person. As I said above, the only way that Ohio State could have caught this (if Tressel truly didn’t tell at the school, and there’s no paper trail to show that he did) is if someone had been reading his email. Because the NCAA doesn’t require schools to read every coach’s email (or monitor every player’s tattoo transaction), it didn’t get LOIC.

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by Year2 on Apr 26, 2025 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions

Who says they weren't in control the whole time?

Concerted efforts.
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by dxf04 on Apr 25, 2025 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions

It didn't take hindsight to recognize that was a bad decisions

It also needlessly gave more ammunition to the crowd that wants to bash the bowl system, as there were multiple reports that they were ruled eligible only after the Sugar Bowl intervened. Bad business decision on the part of the bowl too, as the consumers of their tie-in conference are much more interested in seeing another Ohio State snuff film than a competitive bowl.

Still wouldn’t have mattered much if the entire Razorback WR corps hadn’t decided to play the game wearing oven mitts. Now we’ll have to hear the sweatervest crowd brag about * and 9.

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by GwinnettGamecock on Apr 25, 2025 3:04 PM EDT reply actions

Still wouldn’t have mattered much if the entire Razorback WR corps hadn’t decided to play the game wearing oven mitts.

Ain’t that the truth?

I love Joe Adams, but I still get sick to my stomach every time I see him drop that wide open pass on the first play of the game.

by dxf04 on Apr 25, 2025 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions

If you get a chance to watch the game again.

Keep an eye on OSU’s tackles. A lot of holding going on.

by Porcine on Apr 26, 2025 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions

Hmmm.

The NCAA took about a month and a half/two months to get the ball rolling on this, but they have yet to formally allege any wrongdoing at Auburn.

Sets a precedent methinks. Auburn will be fine.

by AuburnJunky on Apr 26, 2025 8:28 AM EDT reply actions

Not so fast

It took the NCAA more than three years to officially charge USC with something. I’m not saying anything will come of the NCAA investigations into Auburn, but you can’t assume Auburn will be fine based on this.

The OSU investigation was far simpler, for one thing, and for another, it’s over. The NCAA is still investigating Tiger Prowl at the least, and the some of the other investigations are almost certainly still ongoing. Auburn is far from being out of the woods.

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by Year2 on Apr 26, 2025 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions

I get it...

I thought about USC as well, but I doubt the NCAA wants more egg on their face after the Bush/USC business. If there was anything at all on Auburn, I think they would come out and let the public know that they have found something. I think the days of the NCAA working quietly are over.

Of course, I say this, and Auburn could be hit for Tiger Prowl, like you said. You never can tell.

by AuburnJunky on Apr 26, 2025 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions

The NCAA has a policy against commenting on ongoing investigations. It would never tell the public that it had something until after everything is wrapped up. That’s just not the way the association works.

The NCAA will announce what it found (or didn’t find) after everything is done, and not before. That’s how every investigation works every time.

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by Year2 on Apr 26, 2025 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions

the ncaa is slow. there was supposed to be a decision weeks ago on usc's appeal.

i think the ncaa denies usc’s appeal. i think about 6 weeks ago they came down on arkansas state in football and basketball.

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