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SEC Recruiting Update

We're now just under a week out from National Signing Day, so let's take a look at where all the teams are at present.

First up, here is how each school is doing in the overall rankings. The figures in parenthesis are the change from last week's update. As a reminder, Rivals only publishes its top 50 and ESPN only publishes its top 25.

Team Rivals Scout 247 ESPN
Alabama 1 (-) 1 (-) 1 (-) 1 (-)
Arkansas 29 (+2) 13 (+2) 22 (+1) -
Auburn 20 (-2) 21 (-4) 20 (-3) 15 (+1)
Florida 4 (-) 5 (-) 5 (-) 4 (-)
Georgia 21 (-4) 17 (+1) 11 (-) 5 (-)
Kentucky - 34 (-4) 49 (-4) -
LSU 15 (-3) 7 (+5) 12 (+1) 16 (-3)
Mississippi 41 (+1) 59 (-3) 48 (-6) -
Miss State 30 (+4) 18 (+1) 24 (+2) -
Missouri 49 (-2) 38 (-3) 36 (-1) -
South Carolina 13 (-2) 9 (-) 13 (-1) 14 (+1)
Tennessee 11 (+2) 19 (+4) 16 (-1) 20 (-)
Texas A&M 10 (-1) 12 (-6) 10 (-) 12 (-3)
Vanderbilt 25 (-) 32 (+1) 41 (+3) 23 (-)

Because the different sites have their different ways of calculating things, there are a lot of conflicting results. Georgia fell four spots in Rivals while remaining about even in the others. LSU jumped five spots in Scout's rankings while losing ground in Rivals and ESPN.

All of the services have Arkansas and Mississippi State moving up, while Auburn, Missouri, and Ole Miss slid in most or all the rankings. There aren't a lot of big moves as many of the players who are going to commit before signing day have done so, while most of the rest are going to wait until the big day to announce.

Here is the same table for average rank. Average rank is not available for ESPN's rankings.

Team Rivals Scout 247
Alabama 6 (-) 7 (-) 1 (-)
Arkansas 31 (-) 21 (-) 20 (+4)
Auburn 8 (-) 9 (-) 11 (-3)
Florida 4 (-1) 4 (-1) 5 (-2)
Georgia 18 (-) 10 (-) 10 (+1)
Kentucky - 48 (-) 45 (+2)
LSU 14 (-1) 12 (+2) 9 (+1)
Mississippi 26 (+1) 37 (-) 35 (-)
Miss State 38 (+2) 22 (+3) 32 (+2)
Missouri 34 (-) 26 (+4) 27 (+1)
South Carolina 22 (-) 19 (-) 17 (+1)
Tennessee 20 (+1) 20 (-) 22 (-)
Texas A&M 15 (+1) 17 (-1) 13 (-1)
Vanderbilt 24 (+1) 33 (+1) 40 (-2)

There is a lot less movement in this one as we're dealing with averages instead of raw numbers. I don't understand how some of these results come about though. Scout has Missouri falling three spots in the overall rankings while rising four spots in the average rankings. The only change for them in the last week was them flipping a three-star safety away from Houston. Mississippi State is up across the board in all the rankings after only adding a single three-star linebacker. It just goes to show how jumbled up teams are in the middle of the rankings.

The only thing that all of the services seem to agree upon is that Alabama and Florida are among the very best in the country and Kentucky has the worst class in the conference. Even Scout, which is the only service not to have UK last among SEC teams in the overall rankings, has the Wildcats' class last in the league in average rank.

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Everyone has a complaint about all of these services.

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by Year2 on Jan 27, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah unless you're a land thief or a t-sip

Don’t know what a sip is? Well welcome to the new SEC. We have arrived.

by longboard8 on Jan 27, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Land thief = Oklahoma; t-sip = Texas, yes I'm aware

And every fan base has their favorites and enemies among the recruiting services. A&M is not unique in that way.

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by Year2 on Jan 27, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

actually A and M is the most unique school in the SEC

Its good to have us around to remind yall of that.

Nice ESipN documentary on Auburn Alabama though. Not as good as the Junction Boys, but entertaining for 30 or so minutes before I lost interest, right about the time the guy poisoned the tree.

by longboard8 on Jan 27, 2012 11:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

What?

What is it you have to remind us of excatly? Your lone Title in the 1930’s? How about yall play and have a successful season in the SEC before you toot your horn?

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by Aaron.50cal on Jan 27, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry , meant to say unless youre a Bama fan or a t-sip.

Land thieves not usually ranked as high as tu. Doesn’t matter the year

by longboard8 on Jan 27, 2012 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

Clearly our recruiting has been overrated in recent years

I mean just look at the results on the field, obviously our high ranking each year are only due to bias.

by UAinPHOENIX on Jan 27, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

All these recruiting numbers are meaningless

Didn’t Ole Miss have a highly ranked recruiting class last year? What did that get them?

Sure a team that is loaded can go out and get a number of four and five star “ranked” players and have a “good recruiting class”. But when your team needs players a certain spots, I firmly believe that it is better to bring in players to fill that need and not just 4’s & 5’s.

Yes, adding DGB to Arkansas would greatly increase their recruiting class ranking, but adding one five star should not discount the coaching staff getting a lot of good kids that fit their program and that will contribute.

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by TX_HogFan on Jan 27, 2012 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

meaningless?

Hardly… there is a pretty big correlation between great recruiting classes and great teams.

Now it’s certainly not a foregone conclusion, but every team needs a handful of gamebreaking All-Stars if they want to seriously compete for titles… and a 5-star guy is A LOT more likely to be that guy than any 3 or 4 star player.

Just for the heck of it, let’s look at the 2012 AP All-American team.
QB – Robert Griffin III, Baylor = 4-stars, #4 QB
RB – Montee Ball, Wisconsin = 4-stars, #33 RB
RB – Trent Richardson, Alabama = 5-stars, #2 RB
T- Barret Jones, Alabama = 4-stars, #1 C
T – Matt Kalil, USC = 5-stars, #3 T
G – David DeCastro, Stanford = 3-stars, #11 C
G – Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin = 3-stars, #39 G
C – David Molk, Michigan = 3-stars, #5 C
TE – Dwayne Allen, Clemson = 4-stars, #12 TE
WR – Justin Blackmon, OkState = 3-stars, #91 WR
WR – Robert Woods, USC = 5-stars, #1 Athlete
All-Purpose – Sammy Watkins, Clemson = 5-stars, #3 WR

E – Melvin Ingram, South Carolina = 4-stars, #21 LB
E – Whitney Mercilus, Illinois = 3-stars, #28 DE
T – Devon Still, Penn State = 4-stars, #10 DE
T – Jerel Worthy, Michigan State = 3-stars, #53 DT
LB – Luke Kuechly, Boston College = 3-stars, #44 LB
LB – Jarvis Jones, Georgia = 4-stars, #4 LB
LB – Dont’a Hightower, Alabama = 4-stars, #15 LB
CB – Morris Claiborne, LSU = 3-stars, #58 CB
CB – Tyrann Mathieu, LSU = 4-stars, #13 CB
S – Mark Barron, Alabama = 4-stars, #5 Athlete
S – Bacarri Rambo, Georgia = 3-stars, #40 Athlete

K – Randy Bullock, Texas A&M = 3-stars, #5 K
P – Brad Wing, LSU = 3-stars, #5 K

25 total players
4 5-star players(16%)
10 4-star players(40%)
11 3-star players(44%)
0 1 and 2-star players
56% 4 and 5 star players shows a pretty strong correlation for highly ranked players to be very successful… 61% if you take away kickers and punters
85% for offensive skill position players

by Caban on Jan 27, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Nice write up.

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by Aaron.50cal on Jan 27, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

but there are more 3-star players on the All-American team

than 5-star or 4-star. Also, there is only one 5 star on the O-line and defensive front seven. (no 5 stars on defense at all)

The point I was trying to make (and if you look at the lead article in TSK today) is that recruiting a top ranked class alone does not equate to greatness or not signing a top ranked class does not equate to failure.

I am trying to get people to look at the value of coaches being able to improve the players and to get them to play in their system. I’d much rather have a class of mostly three and some four star players that are coachable and have a coach with a proven track record of developing players than have a recruiting class full of 4 and 5 stars that are not coachable or have a coach that does not have a history of developing players (See: Ole Miss under coach O and Nutt…)

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by TX_HogFan on Jan 30, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

that's because

there are only about 100 total 5 stars every year. There are over a 1000 3 stars per year. Statistics hasn’t made it west of the Mississippi, I guess.

by Promeco on Jan 31, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

but if the 5 stars are the best of their position

you should see a representative sample across all positions.

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by TX_HogFan on Feb 1, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

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