Pac-12 Expansion Dead, Big 12 Still Alive
by Year2 on Sep 21, 2011 6:27 AM EDT
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Last last night, the Pac-12 issued a statement saying that it has chosen not to expand:
After careful review we have determined that it is in the best interests of our member institutions, student-athletes and fans to remain a 12-team conference. While we have great respect for all of the institutions that have contacted us, and certain expansion proposals were financially attractive, we have a strong conference structure and culture of equality that we are committed to preserve. With new landmark TV agreements and plans to launch our innovative television networks, we are going to focus solely on these great assets, our strong heritage and the bright future in front of us.
To me, that means two things:
- Larry Scott couldn't come to an agreement with Texas over the Longhorn Network, and therefore
- He couldn't get the votes from Pac-12 presidents to expand with just the Oklahoma schools.
Exactly like in the SEC, Scott needed nine yes votes to bring more schools into his conference. I'll bet Colorado and Utah were no votes, as they don't want to be sequestered in a division away from the southern California schools. If two others balked on academic grounds, like maybe Stanford and Cal, then that's how a deal dies.
Oklahoma, for its part, says it will pursue "conference stability". That means the Oklahoma schools moving to the SEC is very unlikely. The Big 12 surviving also means that Missouri is not likely to make the move to the SEC. All reports of that deal were that it was contingent upon the Big 12 falling apart.
Realignment isn't completely over just yet. The Big 12 probably needs to add another school or three (like BYU) to get to 10 or 12 members. The Big East also needs to get more football members. As for the SEC's quest for a 14th school, I don't know. Maybe Mike Slive revisits West Virginia's application. Maybe he raids the ACC. Maybe he stays on 13 for a while.
The one thing we do know is that we're not yet going to have a superconference on the West Coast. This changes everything.
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The Big XII living is better for the mid-majors.
Between the Big XII and Big East, 4, 5 or 6 will get the call up.
I still think
Both of those conferences are gone in less than 5 years.
by commodore_dude on Sep 21, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I think, similar to last year, this just delays the inevitable
Someone in going to walk out next year, and we will be right back into all of this again. As long as A&M comes to the SEC I am happy overall. They were the big prize in my opinion, not Mizzou. I hope WVU gets into the SEC now and we can put this expansion business (from an SEC standpoint) to rest.
I think, similar to last year, this just delays the inevitable
Someone in going to walk out next year, and we will be right back into all of this again. As long as A&M comes to the SEC I am happy overall. They were the big prize in my opinion, not Mizzou. I hope WVU gets into the SEC now and we can put this expansion business (from an SEC standpoint) to rest.
I agree
Just like last year when there were pledges all around about keeping the conference stable intact together, the same is happening now. It’s only a matter of time before that conference flies apart and the rumor mill starts churning again.
by AuburnMisfit on Sep 21, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
LHN Agreement
Texas almost certainly balked at the prospect of equitable revenue distribution. Given that even USC gave up privileged distribution of TV shares (the conference had always equally divided bowl winnings, etc.), there was 0 chance that Texas would be admitted absent that condition.
As Doc Saturday points out, Oklahoma and OSU wanted to come whether or not Texas was aboard. 14 teams would have been very awkward for the Pac from a divisional standpoint (which member of the Pac-8 has to go East?), an academic standpoint as noted above, and also a recruiting and television standpoint (how much more access to Texas recruiting and TV markets than currently exists would result from adding the Sooners and Cowboys? Certainly not enough to justify the divisional problems their addition would create)
Texas was alwyas the linchpin, but like the locker room cancer, they could only be added under certain conditions, namely not theirs. Of course, one of the greatest ironies is that in addition to the extra $$$ from football they would have received, Texas’s non-revenue and Olympic sports would have gained the most since the Pac-12 has long pioneered exposure to those sports.
OSU.. again
Given last night’s developments, I wanted to bring this up again here.
Does this change Slive’s stance on OSU being a non-starter ?
If OU detaches itself from OSU, they would seek and probably get an invite from B10.
If they choose to stick by OSU, now that the PAC offer is dead, they only have two choices… SEC, or stick with the B12 and with Texas, who just effed them over big time.
Seems, bringing in OU/OSU/Mizzou, on top of Aggies, not only would be an earthquake of a move… but it also poaches 1 potential target from the B10 (now that the ACC is growing stronger), and 2 from the increasingly smaller pool that the PAC has to choose from.
From the NYT article on Fan support/Eyeballs-
6 A&M
7 Auburn
8 Bama
9 Florida
16 LSU
19 Oklahoma
21 Tenn
22 Georgia
23 Mizzou
24 SC
26 Arky
24 KY
41 OSU
49 Miss
50 Miss St
64 Vandy
As far as Academic rankings – from the latest US news rankings of public schools. It seems OSU is closer to Arky and LSU than the Missus, but I’m sure other rankings tell different stories. Still. I think it would be a powerful 4 add-on. Also, at least to me, Adding OU helps makes Mizzou a more palatable choice than they would be on their own.
Pri – Vandy
19 – Texas A&M
19 – Florida
23 – Georgia
31 – Bama
36 – Auburn
39 – Mizzou
46 – Tenn
46 – OU
54 – USC
59 – KY
63 – LSU
65 – Arky
65 – OSU
73 – Miss
83 – Miss St
And i forgot
May i remind you, OSU has been quite competitive the past 3-4 yrs.. They are currently a top 10 team.
That NYT article in an absolute joke...
Does anyone here ever google “college football (my team)”? Terrible data, and the results should bare that out. No way in hell Auburn has more fans than Alabama, or Georgia Tech or Clemson have more fans than Oklahoma, Nebraska, Tennessee, or Georgia…
College fans don’t google their own team using specific keywords… they already know where to go and have the important sites bookmarked(or search for the name of a site they know). You google a team when you don’t know where to go, and that’s generally when you want info on an opponent or a team playing an interesting game or part of a scandal. Hence, Miami laughably ending up with more fans than Florida State using his methodology.
by Caban on Sep 21, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Those fan support numbers are bogus as hell.
Tennessee at #21? I call bullshit.
by Durdens Wrath on Sep 22, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW
We know Colorado is against Oklahoma and Texas. Their president pretty much said they got out of the Big 12 specifically to get away from those two. They certainly don’t want them back.
As for the others, Utah is probably a good guess as are Cal and Stanford. The Arizona schools are a possibility too since they would likely lose their LA trips.
14 would have also ended the annual NorCal – SoCal games, and angered the NW schools as they lose further games (and recruiting) in SoCal. Really, 14 is just a bad number, all while adding what would have been the state with the least TVs per school and tied for fewest 4* recruits this cycle (I know the number of 4* recruits changes every year, but the state of Oklahoma typically is not very strong).
I support the NBA player's union.
Mizzou
Would be practically retarded to stay in the Big 12 if they have a chance for the SEC.
This is like performing CPR on someone that took a head shot.
Most Mizzou fans not stuck in the 80's agree.
But then again, in the 80’s Mizzou admin considered the school the “Harvard of the Midwest” and had higher admission standards than any other Big 8 school. They also didn’t care about putting money into facilities. Thankfully, smarter people are now in their places.
Unfortunately, some of are fans are still stuck in the 80’s and keep believing that (despite all actual evidence to the contrary) that the B1G is about to call any second now. Mizzou is a nice school, I am a real alum and not a sidewalk alum, but it’s not Michigan, academics wise.
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