OKLAHOMA PUNTS, THE BIG12 SHALL LIVE!
by alduck on Sep 20, 2011 10:06 PM EDT
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PrintOklahoma has set forth a set of demands to remain within the BIG 12 including the termination of Dan Beebe and a share of the LHN along with some specific guidelines as to what Texas can do and not do with their private network. Now Texas only has to agree to give up some of the money from the Network vs. most of it should they join the PAC XX. Ultimately Texas is getting exactly what they wanted and Oklahoma gets to look like they stood up to the bullies from Austin.
Texas A&M has reiterated they are gone at the end of this year. Period. Mr. Billionaire Boone thinks he is making headway in convincing them to stay and has contacted Rick Perry for support.
If A&M holds to their current position then the SEC may need to dust off those applications that have supposedly been denied because I don't think the non offer/ offer sitting on Missouri's desk is going to happen. With a fan base split 70% B1G, 30% SEC a non move is the safest course. You don't leave what's now going to be equal and stable conference for a richer and more stable conference if it isn't your fans first choice. Especially when you're the head of the Board that runs the conference you're leaving.
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I know OU is making demands and that's good for them, but....
it doesn’t mean that Texas will give in. Even if LHN revenues are divided up that doesn’t really equate to a league where everyone is on equal footing. All the other revenues are being unevenly distributed and even if OU comes away with a share of LHN does that not mean the power is still concentrated in Austin?
as I said in the other thread
if this is true, we need Slive’s head on a pike
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 20, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I read your other past
and agree with you. I think Mizzou is a horrible addition to the SEC but I also thought A&M was as well. And the younguns commence with the flames about being too old and not down with the great 16 team realignment.
I like 12 teams
but there are a number of ways to do realignment in which we preserve the majority of the old rivalries (and, more importantly, the best ones) and we don’t water down the product. Pretty much every realistic expansion candidate offers more than South Carolina did in 1992. This, however, is one of the few ways in which it can be done disastrously
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 20, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I said two months ago when the talk with A&M was breaking out that I hated the idea. It was moving way too fast and good laid plans weren’t being considered. The problem is, once A&M got the snowball rolling it just kept picking up steam.
by David Story on Sep 20, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
if Slive has done his job well, he's had a contingency plan for events like this
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 20, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
can one really have a contingency plan
when there is no way to tell what is going to happen from one second to the next?
by David Story on Sep 20, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
you can have lots of contingency plans
that’s part of the job of being a major conference commissioner
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 20, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
sarcasm was the intention
inflection doesn’t really come out well when typing.
by David Story on Sep 20, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
ah
sorry ’bout that
not like we have a way to denote sarcasm on here
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 20, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Spread the word!
Sarcasm font is totally pointless, after all.
;-)
by David Hooper on Sep 21, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with not adding Mizzou, but still like A&M
After seeing Mizzou fans opinions about our conference, I’m all for leaving them out in the cold. They overestimate themselves way too much. I’m backing WVU if we have to choose between the two of them. Their fans have the passion we’re accustomed to, plus they have the genuine desire to be here. We won’t have to listen to them wine about how they wish they were in the BIG10. It also makes for a cleaner break in the east/west. I know they don’t have a big market and are not in the southeast, but at this point I don’t think their is a perfect candidate.
d-wade=d-ouche
by captainamerica* on Sep 20, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
WVU would become a permanent fixture...
with no desire to leave. Mizzou might still bolt if the Big 10 decided to offer them… If I had a vote, more than anything it would be for stability.
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“Conference Realignment Ends: Plenty of Reasons to be Happy.” From June 2010. Sigh.
I hope Beebe really is out. And once he’s gone, I hope Boone’s insane plan is “throw a bunch of money at A&M, gang them up with everyone else to boot out Texas (and their cesspool of greed, and maybe Baylor for fun), add TCU and BYU, and giggle at Rick Perry like a delighted child.”
And the SEC adds Sewanee, seriously, man stays at 12 teams.
Right, I’ll be over there with the Tooth Fairy and the Loch Ness Monster.
drinking Diet Dr Pepper?
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 20, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that the PAC-12 is staying put
Where does that leave the SEC in the search for #14? Have to think WVU is the best option by far now unless there’s an ACC school willing to leave? Unless we really are cool with having a 13-team league…
I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!
If the report is correct and Mizzou is coming then A&M is #14
by David Story on Sep 21, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
All the reports (even before they were denied by the SEC) said conditional on implosion of Big 12.
No way SEC takes Mizzou now, nor Mizzou leave the Big 12. If there’s going to be a Big 12, Mizzou is going to be in it. Time to take WVU and end the realignment talk
I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!
by Mikethetiger on Sep 21, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe they hit a homerun and get Oklahoma instead
d-wade=d-ouche
by captainamerica* on Sep 21, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought about that
It’s definitely the SEC’s best chance to peel OU from OSU, but they’d have to play the pride/this conference isn’t going to survive if texas is in charge. I think there’s an argument to be made there. Mizzou still prefers the Big 10, as we all found out today (and frankly, I prefer them there or anywhere not named the SEC) and if the conference remains unstable due to UT & ESPN getting greedy, there could be more shifts.
I think that’s still a longshot but it’s not impossible. Really depends on how texas reacts. I think they’d be crazy not to meet the demands since they don’t want to alienate OU from the conference as if they’re stuck in the Big 12 w/o OU, they have to go independent (and THEY’ll be sued by Baylor).
I think WVU is a better cultural fit anyway, but OU would be too much of a temptation to pass up. But then the SEC West is: Texas A&M, Oklahoma, LSU, Alabama, Ole Miss, MSU. That’s insane, as currently ranked: #8, #1, #2, #3 and one team that just fell out of the top 25. Heckuva division
I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!
by Mikethetiger on Sep 21, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
and the SEC East would have Auburn, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina
maybe not so crazy this year, but if South Carolina can stay good, you’d expect some crazy years. of course, the above rivalry worries remain
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 21, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm suprised...
…at the support from you guys for WVU, and please.
I know we’re no one’s FIRST choice, but it’s nice none the less. Regardless, the Oklahoman legislature would get involved if you tried to separate the Oklahoma schools… and if you think Baylor had a fit with aTm, then the entire conference would throw a pissy fit over Oklahoma leaving. If they’re going to go anywhere, it will still be the Pac 12.
by MountaineerAirman on Sep 21, 2011 2:04 AM EDT reply actions
You guys are damn maniacs for Football.
As someone said, WVU is a football school in a bouncyball conference.
Mizzou is a bouncyball school for a football conference.
Either school would be retarded to not join the SEC.
And even if given the opportunity, I’d never want to join the B1G, because I never liked associating with their kind in person, let alone their collective snobby personality.
by Durdens Wrath on Sep 22, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel bad for the Big 12 schools not named "Texas."
What an absolute traveshamockery that conference is going to be.
Oklahoma looks like a bunch of fools. This morning they were about to head west to form the first, and perhaps best, superconference. Now they’re going to fall in line behind Bevo and go beg the likes of BYU to join so they can get back to 12 teams in the Longhorn Conference. Does anyone think this stabilizes the Big 12 at all? I don’t.
As for the SEC and team #14, I guess it’s down to WVU or some ACC team. WVU is a very good back up, but I’d like Slive to make a run at one of the ACC targets now that he knows he won’t implode all of college football and ruin the sport inadvertently.
Because if it's about Brantley going in the ocean, the answer is "No."
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