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SEC Expansion: The Case for West Virginia

It's almost certainly not going to be an ACC team. No matter what disagreements or squabble we might have about adding Clemson or Florida State or any other ACC team, the likelihood of the 14th program in the SEC coming from its Atlantic Coast neighbor is next to zero.

And that's because of the increased exit fee, and it's not because of the increased exit fee. It's not so much that the exit fee is now $5 million to $8 million more, because an ACC school could probably absorb that for a year, though it will be an even tigher squeeze. But the ACC made a point to say that the exit fee was approved unanimously, and that's the key. Why would you vote to increase the cost of a buyout by millions of dollars if you were planning to bolt the conference once the SEC almost inevitably came calling. You're voting to make it more expensive to take a step that you think you're going to take?

No, the choice is West Virginia. And unless the gap between the programs is huge, the SEC should go with West Virginia.

Star-divide

I've got to say I'm a little confused about those who don't just disagree with the idea of West Virginia joining the SEC, but use words like "failure" to describe adding Texas A&M and West Virginia in this phase of SEC expansion. There were better combinations that might have been out there, but most of them are off the board now, and bringing the Aggies and Mountaineers on board is still a great deal.

Some people will say the markets are better with Missouri -- and that might be true to an extent. But the markets are great in LA, and no one is talking about inviting Southern Cal. Geography and cultural identification still matter on the margins. So unless Missouri is head and shoulders above West Virginia, then the question is whether the Mountaineers are a better fit than the Tigers.

And the answer to that is yes. There's a not-unreasonable debate about whether West Virginia is a southeastern state, but there's no doubt it's an eastern state. Missouri is neither a southern state nor an eastern state. It is a Midwestern state. And there's nothing wrong with Midwestern states, but they have a couple of leagues already. Even Texas A&M is a southern state if you want to debate its southeastern credentials. If you one, there's at least a regional case to be made; Missouri has neither.

As far as sports culture -- really, it's not even close. West Virginia is a football program in a basketball-centric league, while Missouri is a basketball program in a football-centric league. Besides, they're fun to watch, and a handful of quality games with SEC teams -- the Sugar Bowl takedown of Georgia the most memorable among them -- proves they can compete.

So the question becomes one of markets. Is Missouri worth so much more that the SEC has to go with it despite West Virginia being the better geographic and cultural fit? And I don't think the question is as clear-cut as Mizzou boosters want you to believe.

It's hard to measure the number of fans a program has or the reach it has in certain markets, though Nate Silver of The New York Times has done about as good a job as anyone could. (I have a quibble or two with his methods, but there's really not a perfect way to do that.)

Silver's read on the fan bases for Missouri and West Virginia are actually about even, particularly when given the margin of error with anything that extrapolates from the data as much as he does: Silver estimates that Missouri has shy of 1.1 million fans, West Virginia about 960,000 -- so the question becomes how much those extra 140,000 fans are worth to you. If it's worth overruling the reasons that West Virginia is a better fit than Missouri, then the SEC should go with Mizzou. Otherwise, it ought to invite or accept West Virginia.

For those of you who want Virginia Tech -- and everybody with even a passing interest in the SEC should -- let's assume for a moment that the Hokies are as locked into the ACC as all the members now appear to be. If you combine Texas A&M and West Virginia's numbers by Silver's formula, it's equivalent to adding two Virginia Techs. That's obviously not as good as adding Texas A&M and Virginia Tech, but it's not a bad runner-up if you really believe that Virginia Tech is a home run.

Drilling down into Silver's data is where you get some even more interesting contrasts. One of the things he uses to look at fandom is a look at search data from Google Insights. Without getting into too much detail -- it's a scale of 100 based on what people are searching for in different areas. College football in Alabama is 100, for example -- because that's basically where people are doing the most searching for college football.

West Virginia is a 51 on college football, which still ranks No. 7 among the states. Missouri is a 34 -- not even in the survey's Top 10. If you drill down to metro areas, Kansas City is a 37 and St. Louis is a 29. Charleston-Huntington is a 40. My point in going through all those numbers is this: KC and St. Louis are larger markets than West Virginia, but there's no guarantee that Missouri can deliver those sets to the television contract. And if you don't think that television executives have figured that out, you're wrong.

Because intensity matters. Simply saying, "I'm a fan of Missouri" is different than catching each and every Missouri game on television. And the latter helps with television contracts, not the former.

There's another way to get at intensity, though it's not perfect and perhaps even another degree removed from Silver's data -- merchandising. Are your fans devoted enough to plunk down $20 for a T-shirt, or $70 for a jersey?

Luckily, we have a ranking of that from a relatively impartial source -- the Collegiate Licensing Company, which releases a list of its most popular clients ranked by royalties. West Virginia is 15th in the most recent rankings (which are a bit dated), right behind Tennessee and Auburn and a couple spots ahead of Arkansas. (The list isn't a flat rating, because it's only CLC clients, but they have enough clients to make it a barometer and it's completely fair to compare among clients.) Missouri is 18th. For those of you who want Clemson regardless of the gentlemen's agreement -- Clemson's way down at 25th.

Again, that's not a flawless formula. But it tells us this much: West Virginia fans have disposable income that they devote toward their team loyalties. Those are the kinds of people that television executives want to reach.

I'm not saying it's a clear-cut case that West Virginia is a better team in terms of market share and contract dollars than Missouri is. I'm saying that the difference in markets is not so large that the SEC should take Missouri despite the fact that West Virginia is a better cultural and geographic fit.

The SEC can have its cake -- a better television deal -- and eat it, too, by inviting a program that will find a likeminded group in the conference's other fan bases. The conference should take West Virginia, stop at 14, and begin reeling in the money that a well-done expansion will bring.

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1) the Nate Silver article (as has been mentioned elsewhere) can be de-bunked based on it claiming that GT has more fans than UGA. No credibility after that.
2) Not that I’m promoting Missouri (I’m NOT), but it seems odd to ignore the academic disparity between them and WV. A&M boosts our academic profile, but WV would completely undo that gain and then some.
3) “Why would you vote to increase the cost of a buyout by millions of dollars if you were planning to bolt the conference once the SEC almost inevitably came calling.”
My answer: to not tip your hand in case things don’t work out. If, for example, Clemson is the only school voting against this, and then the SEC doesn’t work out, they get screwed over in future conference decisions (think the BSU-TCU game being moved to Boise this year). On top of that, the portion of the fanbase who wanted to move become more upset, because it seemed more likely and then fell through. Conversely, you also lose the support of those who never wanted to leave.
Whether or not you think any of those are likely or compelling, there are certainly enough reasons for the vote to prevent the conclusion that, based on it alone, getting an ACC team (or 2 or 3) is next to zero likelihood.

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by AdamLilly on Sep 20, 2011 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Thank you

…for the support, and for recognizing arguments that WVU fans have been making for weeks, maybe months.

Missouri is a good school, and has quality athletic programs. But, those arguing that it’s hands-down the better fit due to the academic issue and the TV market issue are, quite simply, wrong.

The SEC is an athletic conference. It is not the Ivy League, or even the Big 10, which also considers itself an “academic consortium” (this is not to say that the Big 10 schools are across-the-board better than SEC schools as academic institutions, I understand that there was a recent comparison arguing that the SEC might actually be better academically than the Big 10). But, the point is this: playing WVU in football is not going to impact how highly any SEC school is ranked academically. From that perspective, considering academics is, honestly, pointless.

For those still concerned with academics, this was discussed ad nauseum on another thread, and I’ll hold to the contentions on there that WVU’s academics have enough going for them to justify the bid. Also, since the time of that discussion, the new rankings came out, and WVU jumped 12 spots, which is worth considering.

The TV markets issue is also misleading. Yes, Missouri is close to Kansas City and St. Louis. WVU is close to Pittsburgh and DC, and believe me, a significant number of TV sets in those markets are tuned to WVU games every week. Add in the fact that essentially the entire state of WV is watching, and that equals pretty good ratings. There are no huge markets in WV, but the total number of sets is going to rival what Missouri can bring… without screwing up the east-west divisions.

by MountaineerMojo on Sep 20, 2011 9:55 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I remember you, you came to my aid about a month ago on WV academics

Mr. Mandingo never conceded the point but based on every poll I’ve seen SEC fans are 3 to 1 in favor of WV rather than MO getting the 14th slot. Not saying it’s going to happen but I think the SEC pays closer atention to what its fans want than most conferences do.

by alduck on Sep 20, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

i abandoned

discussions with you because you don’t listen and began to take it personally (as evidenced by bringing up a 2 month old thread).

by Mark Mandingo on Sep 20, 2011 10:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I brought up the old thread...

… and we should all agree to disagree on that point, I think. I’m willing to concede, for purposes of this discussion, that Missouri is a more highly-regarded undergraduate institution than WVU.

by MountaineerMojo on Sep 20, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

let it rest. I never want to get close to a discussion of WVU’s academics ever again.

by Mark Mandingo on Sep 20, 2011 10:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If it is only about athletics

I would take WVU hands down. They have a great football program, a solid basketball program, and some of the most rabid fans in the country. Hell when I was in the military, I think everyone I worked around was a West Virginian, and I tired of hearing about their football team—and I love college football.

Unfortunately, the University Presidents will be making the decisions, and those guys do consider academics. Because an athletics organization gives them a closer connection to other schools and money from grants and research is worth a lot to those schools. Academics is one of the stated reasons Oklahoma is wanting to go to the Pac-12. They want to be associated with schools like Stanford, USC, UCLA, and UCal Berkeley academically and hope that that association will carry over to grant money as research partnerships.

Personally, I feel WVU wants the SEC far more than Mizzou, and by that point alone I would rather have WVU. I think they just fit far better. However, the fans don’t make the decisions, the University Presidents do.

by BullGator79 on Sep 20, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

My other thought on this is

that of the two schools, WVU’s football program is on the upswing, while I think Mizzou’s is in a holding pattern. The hiring of Dana Holgorsen was great for the Mountaineers, and he will have their offense scoring 50 points a game, as he did with Texas Tech and Oklahoma State. If you combined that offense with defensive recruits from SEC states, not only will WVU compete for the SEC title. they will be in contention for a NC within ten years.

by BullGator79 on Sep 20, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

At this point it wouldn't surprise me for the SEC to take both

If the B1G is really going to sit this round of expansion out and the PAC and ACC go to 16 then I think the SEC goes to 16 as well. The increased buyout really doesn’t change anything regarding someone leaving the ACC and joining the SEC. A&M could have to pay as much as 29M to leave the B12. If an SEC network (truly SEC network not ESPN hybrid) is being developed then Missouri will get the slot bc of the potential viewership. If you directly monetize households (via the B1G model) then it doesn’t matter if the folks turn the TV on they’re still paying. If the SEC network is going to continue in its current form (distribution controlled via ESPN resell) then WV is a better fit bc advertisers would be assured of 90% of the WV population actually watching the game. IF the SEC takes both then we will go after FSU for the 16th slot. That is the only slot that will go to another in state school bc all the other schools could vote yes without fear of it still happening to them.

by alduck on Sep 20, 2011 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

If WVU and Mizzou

Are 14 and 15, and there will be no ACC schools, who is 16 then? Assuming it’s another Big East team to keep things balanced, you’re basically looking at Louisville or South Florida.

by commodore_dude on Sep 20, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Just playing in the framework of the original post. I still think VA Tech is the best option as far as new markets/cultural fit, and then I don’t think NC State brings enough besides the Raleigh TV market culture and sports-wise, which leaves us back with some school that’s already in an SEC state. Obviously we want FSU more than South Florida, and I would be surprised if there’s more interest in Louisville than Clemson among various SEC fanbases.

by commodore_dude on Sep 20, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Add Va Tech in that case then

All the SEC teams have in conference rivalries and by bringing in WVU and Va Tech you create another one instantly. Those two teams already hate each other on the Backyard Brawl level. It would allow for both to have a rivalry game to look forward to every year.

by Dwalk1217 on Sep 20, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either of those schools...

…would have the same issue of being in the same state as a current SEC member. If that’s ignored, I think Louisville brings better balance in its athletic programs, but South Florida’s football program is better right now.

by MountaineerMojo on Sep 20, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

What hurts both of them is that they are considered commuter schools like Cincy

I think the SEC would just about require they be large flagship universities.

by alduck on Sep 20, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

sigh

I said it was a failure because without a doubt, they weren’t high on everybody’s “who do we want list”. If they were your or anybody else’s #2 choice, then, things went exactly as you hoped. If you think that Slive and the Presidents will be satisfied that Texas a&m was worth going down the rabbit hole for no matter who 14 is, then fine, you’re right. I just think that if they could go back in time and put the genie back in the bottle by telling a&m to stay put, they would. Now you’ve got the pac probably moving into Ok and Tx (or worse, the big 10 moving into Tx) and the ACC locked down (as you and I both agree), and ND potentially forced into a conference. How is that not a super worse situation than we had 3 months ago. And, yes, our product will still be the best on the field blah blah blah. But it was at 12 teams too.

by Mark Mandingo on Sep 20, 2011 10:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I don't doubt for a moment that they wish they could put the genie back in the bottle

And as much as I respect Slive I think that “I could get to 16 in 15 minutes” has bitten him squarely in the ass. I believe he thought he could get FSU (national brand) and whether it has been the “might exist/ might not gentlemans agreement” or FSU admin never really wanted to join and just kinda led Slive along a little we’ll never know. Ultimately I think whether or not a true SEC network is in play will be the deciding factor. If you can directly monetize the tv sets in MO then they will end up with slot 14. If it is going to continue the way it currently is (ESPN basically mailing it in via distribution) and has to depend on advertising dollars then the number of actual sets turned on and being viewed will be the deciding factor and greatly evens the field of play for WV getting the 14th slot.

by alduck on Sep 20, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still can't believe after all this talk that people tout Missou

Nothing at all against them, but those tv markets like KC and St. Louis care way way more about the Chiefs, the Cards, the Rams. Those markets are proven to be pro centric and not caring that much about college. It’s a non starter when you consider that and the fact there’s no history or culture to tie to us.

by LSUJOSHUA on Sep 20, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Joshua, please check out this link

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/08/29/3108519/pecking-order-whats-next-for-mu.html

Which totally debunks your theory that the Kansas City market, at least, cares more about other sports than Missouri.

There is also plenty of anecdotal evidence – I’d refer to the 2007 ‘Border War’ Game held in Arrowhead Stadium which was a total sellout – that fans in Kansas City support Missouri.

Finally, keep in mind that most of the Missouri fans have to drive 2 hours from either Kansas City of St. Louis to get to Columbia for a game. Missouri was 26th in attendance in 2010 (5k more fans/game than WVU).

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/d47a560045aad7aab88ffc9080650d5b/2010_Attendance.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=d47a560045aad7aab88ffc9080650d5b

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by Kpz1234 on Sep 20, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have less problem with the idea that the fans may not be as passionate

and more with the idea that so few Mo fans want to join the SEC. I know that there is a percentage of rapid fans of MO sports who would love to be in the SEC but it seems like the majority want to either stay in the BIG12 or REALLY WANT TO JOIN THE B1G. I also understand once bitten twice shy but the MO fans are being so quiet in this whole expansion biz that it comes across as "We will be in an AQ conference no matter what but we really want the B1G but if they don’t want us then we might join the SEC or maybe go with that new hybrid BIG12/Big East deal. It comes across as a lack of passion about where MO ends up. The thing about the SEC is there is 50 dollar a year dues and no exit penalties so I think alot of people are hesitate to support MO bc of the possibility that in only a year or two MO would jump from the SEC to the B1G should that invitation arrive later.

by alduck on Sep 20, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, let's be honest about it.

You’re right that a majority of Missouri fans want to be part of the B1G because it’s closer, safer, more familiar, and plays into their fantasies that Missouri is some kind of academic powerhouse. They also want to be part of the CIC and get in on the academic goodies that the B1G has. Can’t blame them. That’s not saying they don’t want to be in the SEC, just that they prefer the B1G if possible. However, there’s no evidence that the B1G is ever going to offer Missouri, and has turned them down twice in the past (‘98, ’10). Part of this stems from a mentality in the 70’s-90’s when Mizzou was in the Big 8, that we were the “Harvard of the Midwest” (tougher admissions standards, no emphasis on football or facilities). What you are seeing is that mentality despite the evidence (USNWR rating: 90) that Missouri is a nice school but nothing special academically, aside from the journalism school.

The reason Missouri fans are being quiet in this conference realignment thing is that last year, Missouri was tagged as being a desperate whore – not because the SCHOOL did anything wrong, but because the governor shot off his big mouth and made the school look that way. We don’t want to be perceived this way and for the most part, our fans are going to keep their mouths closed. I can assure you that the last choice for every Missouri fan, outside of being in a non-AQ conference, is to remain in the Big 12.

I don’t think the SEC would take Missouri without some kind of binding assurance that they wouldn’t jump to the B1G if offered. Keep in mind several wealthy Mizzou boosters have attached future donations to our future conference, and I believe that they want the SEC. That rabid 35% of the fanbase really wants the challenge of competing in the SEC and thinks despite losing our traditional rivals, that we can form new ones while keeping our current level of success.

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by Kpz1234 on Sep 20, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't blame Missouri fans for wanting the B1G and CIC

At the same time it’s like you say I don’t think the SEC accepts Missouri without some kind of binding assurance. The SEC has a love/hate relationship with the B1G and should an SEC team (even a very new one) leave for the B1G it would make the SEC look foolish.

by alduck on Sep 20, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am pretty sure Mike Slive is on that wavelength.

I also have the feeling this is signed, sealed and waiting for the B12 breakup to be announced. But that’s just me.

And let’s get real for a second. What fan wants to go to Camp Randall in November when they could be going to the Grove?

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by Kpz1234 on Sep 20, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Columbia in November ain't the warmest place either brother

Duck hunt in the Reelfoot lake area in TN, KY and MO (that whole little jut) and I have frozen half to death in a blind in January with a propane heater going. Good buddy of mine lives in St. Joseph and he spends more time in Florida than MO these days. Met quite a few MO fans several years ago in Troy Alabama when ya’ll came down. I was surprised at the number of fans traveling down for such a non game game. Troy won the ball game on in interception, I think ya’ll were ranked fairly high and had a Heisman candidate QB. But ultimately my point is there was a decent crowd for such a distance and against what was supposed to be a minor opponent.

by alduck on Sep 20, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember that game. It was horrible.

They tried to make our QB (Brad Smith) into a passer that year. Team was supposedly very selfish, according to Pinkel. Ended badly.

Weather in Columbia is nuts. I guess that’s part of our home field advantage, should we end up in the SEC.

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by Kpz1234 on Sep 20, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish we could get FSU

but I will settle for WVU.

A&M is bringing in decent to good football, basketball, baseball and academics and tv markets. FSU would do the same. I think I read here on TSK about how the SEC could finance that buyout anyway. But the unanimous approval is troubling.

by LSUJOSHUA on Sep 20, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Great info

And thanks for the props. I dont think most people fully realize the passion our fan base has and it goes well beyond the concept of the state’s population. EERS live up and down the east coast and midwest and we travel better than most any team in the country. We have huge fan bases in Wash DC, Charlotte, Atlanta and Pgh just to name a few.

I’ve always contended that CFB fans will tune in to watch compelling matchups and we provide that. We are also conveniently close to UT and UK and within a reasonable drive to USC, UGA, Vandy.

by WVU-Atlanta on Sep 20, 2011 10:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I know- I've got some friends who live in Morgantown and are huge fans

Last year at a 3 day business meeting they snuck out to watch the Pitt v. WVU basketball game. Hell one of them won an award for like 20 years of service and they kept calling his name till someone went up and told the President that the guy was down in the hotel bar watching the game. I also was with them at a different function in Chicago when WV lost to Colorado in football. Those guys had meltdowns in the hotel lobby that would have made any SEC fan proud.

by alduck on Sep 20, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I was at the Sugar Bowl in 06. Y’all brought it on the field and off.

by commodore_dude on Sep 20, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's why I said it only works if you can directly monetize them

Nobody would have to watch a single game but you’d still be collecting a fee on EVERY household. That’s the way the B1g works. It’s available here in Alabama but its up on a tier that most households don’t take. In most of the states in B1G their network is on a basic or 2nd tier that almost everyone takes so they get X amount for every household.

by alduck on Sep 20, 2011 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Also

Ask AU and LSU about how well we represented the last couple years. I’m actively involved in the ATL alumni and we showed up with dozens of buses, bands, private tents, huge tailgates, etc. I will also say we were pleasantly surprised by the hospitality.

by WVU-Atlanta on Sep 20, 2011 10:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Most SEC schools take the hospitality pretty serious

Certain schools have some bad blood with others (as an AL fan I can tell you Baton Rouge CAN be a rough venue some years). But for the most part everyone tries to be cordial. I have had only one or two bad experiences ever and then it was normally a very drunk fan of a very beaten opponent.

by alduck on Sep 20, 2011 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

the only place I've ever been shot at was Tuscaloosa

and I thought I hated Auburn (po dunk town and school).

by LSUJOSHUA on Sep 20, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where were you?

The worst experience I had in Baton Rouge was having liquor bottles beer cans etc thrown at us as we were leaving the stadium but that’s not the same as being shot at.

by alduck on Sep 20, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Worst place for me (as an Alabama fan)

was Knoxville, where we had D-cell batteries thrown at our car (this was in the early 90’s). Loud, drunk, and obnoxious didn’t begin to describe those fans.

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by PBCrook on Sep 20, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I witnessed several hundred Alabama fans...

lining the outside of the spiral ramps screaming at the exiting Tennessee fans after the 2005 game including more than a few actively trying to start fights.

Rednecks in every crowd, and the more the frustration builds during a streak the worse it can get.

by Caban on Sep 20, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Baton Rouge

I was hit in the back of the head by a liquor bottle at an LSU game. Of course, I was sitting in the student section.

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by Poseur on Sep 20, 2011 12:33 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

how is that beer thing in the stadium working out?

Is it really cutting down the number of drunks in the stadium? That would be new to the SEC. Now all the neutral site games have bars bc they are played in NFL stadiums so I guess it’s not that big a deal.

by alduck on Sep 20, 2011 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I've only been to the Marshall game

so far this season, but there didn’t seem to be any problems. I didn’t notice that many fans drinking, and the ones who did didn’t seem to be getting drunk. The main problems are the students, most of whom are underage, and they’re not selling beer near the student section regardless.

I was under the impression that the SEC prohibited beer sales in home stadiums. Giving up the beer contracts would be a small price to pay for SEC membership.

by MountaineerMojo on Sep 20, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you

Seriously, for the support many of you are showing, because this is a pretty terrifying time for a WVU fan.

I’m not feeling extremely confident in this. If the SEC goes to 16, I think we will be taken, but if it stops at 14, I’m terrified that we’ll be left out for now, and that is NOT good for our program.

I just hope I tune in to the WVU-LSU game this weekend and see the joint announcement of WVU’s move. I can dream, right?

by MountaineerAirman on Sep 20, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

No kidding

I’ve been oscillating between panic and joy for the past couple of weeks. This could turn out to be one of the best times to be a WVU fan, or one of the worst. It’s awful.

by idiosynch on Sep 20, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm fairly confident

Y’all will end up either in the SEC or ACC.

by commodore_dude on Sep 20, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do think there are benefits for both (SEC and WV)

I also think Slive is starting to get serious about the academic side of things. The AAU has a funny way of looking at research dollars- something about alot of agriculture type grants not being counted. But if you look at sheer dollars Auburn and Ms. State are doing a tremedous amount of research involving aquaculture, etc. Kentucky and WV and A&M could consort on mining, drilling, etc. Auburn and Kentucky have an arrangement involving Vet School, AU and Ole Miss have some type of law school arrangement. Slive has really started putting the pieces together to improve the overall academics of the entire conference via cooperation and I think this move continues to improve that. UA via the UAB campus and Vandy Med schools have some arrangement as well. If the SEC would form a consortium similiar to the CIC and concentrate on Engineering, Mining Technology, Agriculture and Aquaculture; added to AL, SC, UF, GA Business and International Business programs I think it could become an extremely powerful block for research grants.

by alduck on Sep 20, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

per CBS writer Brent McMurphy - WVU rejected by SEC and ACC

https://twitter.com/#!/McMurphyCBS

Multiple Big East sources said they have been told by WVU officials that WVU rejected by ACC & SEC

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by agulhas78 on Sep 20, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

sorry for link trouble -

A school without football is in danger of deteriorating into a medieval study hall.
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by agulhas78 on Sep 20, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

We’ve got a front page story up on that topic now.

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by Year2 on Sep 20, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think if it is true

it can only mean that Slive has ensured the Presidents that there is a bigger fish on the line…

by BullGator79 on Sep 20, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

From the Morgantown Metronews site

http://www.wvmetronews.com/wvu.cfm?func=displayfullstory&storyid=47954

They cite the McMurphy tweet, but they also add that he was the first to break the Syracuse/ Pitt acceptance as well.

by BullGator79 on Sep 20, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I gotta believe the ACC is fixin to take a membership hit if this is true

I know everyone keeps saying the SEC is comfortable with 13 teams but I can promise you SEC fans are not. Not even for one season would I enjoy an unequal scheduling situation.

by alduck on Sep 20, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

F'serious

We aren’t the MAC, and 13 is silly.

by commodore_dude on Sep 20, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Va Tech isn't going anywhere....

based on how they grabbed the ACC by the short and curlies just to get admitted, I’d be shocked if Florida let FSU in the SEC and none of the tobacco road schools would ever leave the conference that they rule. The ACC conference payouts; TV, merchandising et al, weren’t much lower than the SEC and with the TV contract getting renegotiated after the addition of Pitt and ‘Cuse, the payout will only get better. WVU seems to be made for the SEC, in my opinion, but I think the SEC is wisely taking a wait and see approach to what the Big 12 offers them. ECU doesn’t seem to fit well with the SEC as far as size goes, but they would bring the NC TV markets (2 in the top 20) and would explode with talent if they did join the SEC. It will be a fun couple of weeks to see how it all shakes out

by Haak on Sep 20, 2011 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

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