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ACC Played Its Cards Correctly, but SEC Still Looms

I don't often compliment the ACC about much other than basketball. It's fun to look down on the conference as the SEC's little brother and relentlessly tease fans of its teams for the conference's perpetual football mediocrity.

However, I have nothing but compliments for the way that the ACC handled its expansion business this past weekend. John Swofford knows what his conference is, and he didn't go pretending it's something it's not. It's never going to be one of the top two football conferences, so after doing his due diligence in listening to Texas, he chose to move forward by grabbing Big East schools with decent football and good basketball. After all, he (like everyone else, it seems) probably thinks four 16-team superconferences are coming. If so, he had to act to make it crystal clear that his conference, and not the Big East or a zombie Big 12, would be one of them. 

He identified a couple of schools that fit the description above and then worked quickly and quietly. News broke of Pitt and Syracuse potentially moving on Friday night, and they were officially in the conference on Sunday morning. There was no adding one school and then waiting on another, causing instability and making people speculate on 13-team schedules. It's even in his favor that the Big East doesn't have any schools like Baylor, willing to sue because it knows it's going to be left out of a major conference. All of the remaining Big East schools have to play nice in order to potentially get an ACC invite in the future. To top it all off, the conference raised the exit fee to $20 million to give it an extra air of stability.

All in all, the ACC did everything right. That said, the 14-team configuration the ACC is moving to is not likely to be its final form.

Star-divide

The SEC will add Texas A&M; it's only a matter of time. A 13-team configuration is not pleasant, so a 14th school will come eventually. If the Big 12 falls apart, Missouri will likely be that school from everything I've read. West Virginia is apparently a candidate as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the Big Ten went after Missouri though, as it's an AAU school. Every member of the B10 except Nebraska is a member, though Nebraska was one when it joined the league last summer. Of the AAU members that make any kind of athletic and geographic sense for the Big Ten (Iowa State, Kansas, Maryland, Mizzou, Pitt, and Rutgers), Missouri is one of the most attractive.

If the SEC chooses to go to 16 members, it will need to poach anywhere from one to three ACC schools to get there. West Virginia is the only Big East school likely to be a candidate. That includes TCU, by the way, as it is redundant TV-wise given A&M and doesn't fit with the conference as a whole as a small private college (one Vanderbilt is enough). Missouri is there but might go to the Big Ten. Figure out those two and you know how many ACC schools are necessary.

A "high-ranking SEC official" told the Sporting News' Matt Hayes that "every option is on the table now". Presumably that means any kind of gentleman's agreement about not taking schools from current SEC states is off. It also probably means that the conference will move forward without any concerns of stepping on others' toes. The ACC broke the realignment seal by actively taking schools from another conference, so the SEC and Pac-12 can now act without having to feel like they started this. They can point to the ACC and say they're just reacting to current events. It also means ACC schools are fair game for the SEC and Big Ten, as them taking ACC members is no different from what that conference just did to the Big East.

As for the $20 million ACC exit fee, it's a not a huge deterrent. Imagine the SEC ends up with either Missouri or West Virginia and must go get two ACC schools to get to 16. It's tough for a school to come up with an extra $20 million in one year, so let's imagine that the other 14 SEC members decide to front them some of the fee to be repaid with reduced shares of the TV money over time.

If you split the $40 million 16 ways, it costs everyone just $2.5 million each. If the ACC schools pay half of their fees and the rest is shared among the other 14, it's just $1.43 million per school. The league office might have a rainy day fund to help kick in some change too, and the new SEC-16 TV contracts, which would be richer on a per-year basis than the existing SEC deals, would far exceed the ACC's current contracts. If the ACC schools run their first SEC year's budget as though they're on the old ACC deal ($13 million from TV annually), then however much above $13 million it ends up being is money they can use towards the exit fee. It's totally doable.

With the gentleman's agreement, if it ever existed, likely dead, an SEC headed to 16 teams would likely target Florida State above all other ACC schools. It has the largest national profile and would essentially claim the entirety of Florida's large TV markets for the SEC (not even people in Miami really care about Miami). From there, a quest for completely new TV markets would probably lead the league to explore adding Virginia Tech and/or NC State.

Of course, we don't know if the conference is even going to go to 16 teams. For as inevitable as everyone seems to think four 16-team superconferences are, university presidents are in charge and can do whatever they want. If they want to stop at 14, they'll stop at 14. Other than Missouri, no one who might join then SEC is a threat to move to the Big Ten or Pac-12. The SEC won't be able to take teams from them, and vice versa. The conference has the luxury of time for that reason.

Of course, anything I've written here is liable to be out-of-date by tomorrow. I've checked my Twitter feed periodically while composing this post to make sure I don't miss any pertinent details. That's how this realignment game is being played, and until the dust all settles, the very fluid nature of the story is something we'll all have to deal with.

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I want Kansas. Kansas is a school that isn’t being mentioned that I think should be, and I think it would have a big impact on the conference. The SEC doesn’t need another football power. What it could really use is a basketball school in the West and a great headliner matchup for the Big Blue Nation. I also think if we’re going to 16 schools, picking up Kansas will get us Mizzou as well. Personally, I think we should go after Oklahoma St. as well.

The big part of the television deal is basketball. That isn’t being mentioned. I realize that a majority of the money is football, but there is a significant portion that comes from basketball as well. Adding markets is going to help football, not adding powerhouses. Adding powerhouse basketball teams is what is going to help for basketball, so I think the SEC needs to take this approach. I would want UNC/Duke, but the ACC did exactly what it needed to do to prevent most schools from jumping ship.

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by ColRebsLastBreath on Sep 19, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Need an edit button

A* big part of the television deal is basketball.

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by ColRebsLastBreath on Sep 19, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kansas isn't a bad option

It is a large state university with a great basketball tradition. It is an AAU school as well which will help boost the academic profile of the SEC. The big concern is the politics. Can Kansas separate itself from KSU, or will the state legislature jump in? Plus, I don’t know if I could handle hearing the words “Rock Chalk” at an SEC football game!

by BullGator79 on Sep 19, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

All indicators are that Kansas and K-State are joined for better or worse.

Were this not the case you would have heard KU’s name bandied about far more often over the last year.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 19, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think KU's leader

Publicly said recently that KU is free to re-align without KSU.

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by agulhas78 on Sep 19, 2011 2:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I heard this too

But that was when the Big East looked like a likely landing place for one or both depending on the situation.

With the Big East looking on life-support too, I think the legislature may try and handcuff them, sending both into oblivion.

by aubievegas on Sep 19, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this is the case

then Kansas is going to let K-State knock them out of a BCS conference.

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by ColRebsLastBreath on Sep 19, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

With regard to KU

I think you are hitting the nail on the head. If KU has a shot at entering a BCS conference, which in and of itself is not likely at this point, then there is pretty much zero chance that KSU will also be one of those teams.

The fact is that a merger between the Big East and the Big 12 will probably lose BCS status after all the damage is done. If it were possible for both KU and KSU to get into a BCS conference then the situation would be different, but I can’t imagine the powers that be relegating KU to a non AQ conference just because KSU has no shot at going with them. Politicos have to look out for everyone as best they can, but they still can’t demand a school do something detrimental to itself when the action by default has no impact on others.

by AllTideUp on Sep 20, 2011 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

We've been here before:

but I can’t imagine the powers that be relegating KU to a non AQ conference just because KSU has no shot at going with them.

Keep in mind, this is exactly the same sort thing that kept Texas and Texas A&M out of the Big Ten a year ago. Remember, when you’re talking about a state legislature, chances are that many of them got their degrees from “little brother”.

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by Kyle McCann't on Sep 20, 2011 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

They'd be a great fit for a midwest conference like the SEC

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by GwinnettGamecock on Sep 20, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well..

I would like to believe that the SEC can pull FSU from the ACC, but after reading on some the history of the last ACC expansion that included FSU, I am not so sure. FSU would be a big win for the SEC, but does their admin want to go? The ACC offers them a lot in terms of academics, especially with the addition of Syracuse (US News #62 and AAU) and Pitt (US News #58). I think the administration at Florida State likes that affiliation quite a bit, and thus it will be hard to pull them away from the ACC.

by BullGator79 on Sep 19, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Speaking from the just moved into the ACC perspective

I’ve been reading that there’s a lot of discontent from FSU about Pitt and Syracuse showing up and diluting the football product. Now, whether that’s coming from the fan base or inside sources I have no idea.

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by jpb531 on Sep 19, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

FSU has been diluting the ACC football product for the better part of the decade.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 19, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

well played, sir

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by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 19, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

No it's true

A lot if not most of FSU fans i’ve talked to or read online are not happy with Syracuse and Pitt joining. I’ve even heard that now they want in to the SEC because the ACC is looking out for basketball and not football. Some of them think it makes the ACC look weaker instead of stronger.

by Aaron.50cal on Sep 19, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

On AAU membership...

It is actually Pitt that is an AAU member, not Syracuse. As there is no edit button, I cannot fix it in the previous post.

by BullGator79 on Sep 19, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: FSU

I know a lot of FSU fans are champing at the bit to leave the ACC. They believe the league is run by out-of-touch blue bloods on Tobacco Road who don’t care about FSU’s concerns within the league. The ACC has served the school well, especially in the ’90s, but many are ready to go.

Last summer (2010), ESPN’s Chris Low reported that FSU administrators were preparing to make a pitch to the SEC when it looked like the Pac-16 was going to happen. There have been more whispers this year about FSU admins talking to the SEC at least on informal grounds. FSU is going to continue to toe the company line while it is an ACC member, but I’d bet you a crisp sawbuck that they would jump at the chance to join the SEC if given the opportunity.

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by Year2 on Sep 19, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be interesting

I also think FSU would be a good fit and would make a lot more interesting matchups that are intriguing to a national audience.

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by SaturdayDownSouth on Sep 19, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO the addition of Pitt and 'Cuse is a good thing for FSU.

Sure we don’t get new football schools but look at it this way:

1) The ACC has now secured itself as the winner of the ACC/Big East cannibalism race. So FSU will at least keep it’s seat at the table even if the portion is a big more bland than the rest.
2) We now have adequate cover to leave. ACC has decided to be Basketball than Football. The ACC can always pickup another Big East school if FSU leaves.
3) The B1G just had two targets taken off the board one of which ND is very fond of. Maybe ND looks to the ACC instead of the B1G.
4) The B1G and SEC are now likely to fight over Mizzou once the Texas Friends go West.

FSU has subtly made it known that it’s a restricted free agent. There’s not many football-focused brands left in that situation. As of this moment you’ve got, Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, and FSU with Mizzou and WVU as solid backups. I find it difficult to believe that the SEC won’t strongly consider poaching FSU from the ACC. But if I were FSU I’d be talking to the B1G also to see if they wouldn’t like to get the B1G Network on the cable carriers in FL. At the very least it might provide some leverage with the SEC in helping FSU clear that $20M exit fee a bit faster.

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by Psikik1 on Sep 19, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

IMO

I can really only see ND going to the BIG. That’s not a shot at the ACC it’s just I feel like it’s the most resonable spot for them. But I count for nothing, so there’s that.

by Aaron.50cal on Sep 19, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

But you have to think that the ACC has put itself in a position to at least be considered by the Domers.

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by Psikik1 on Sep 19, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

BIG will never take ND

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by Lord Willie on Sep 19, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you have that the wrong way around.

I wish that weren’t the case, but I believe it is.

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by Kyle McCann't on Sep 19, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct

It’s going to be ND’s last chance to pull their head out of the sand before they become irrelevant (sorry, nobody’s gonna get an autobid unless they’re a member of one of the 4 superconferences going forward), and I don’t think they’ll realize it in time.

by commodore_dude on Sep 19, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you are right, but the timetable on all that has slowed down.

Right now, there are not really any strong options of the B1G wants to expand. They want Notre Dame, but if UConn and company are headed to the ACC then I don’t see the B1G becoming a superconference just yet. The B1G will wait on ND as long as it takes.

by AllTideUp on Sep 20, 2011 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would agree that

The gloves may be off at this point, but if you are an ACC school and you are interested in the SEC why do you agree to up the buyout to $20 million while accepting SU and Pitty? That may be small potatoes financually to some, but still may be tough politically to sell.

by WVU-Atlanta on Sep 19, 2011 12:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Because you want a decent chunk of change if the Big Ten or SEC doesn’t come calling for you. It also makes your conference look stronger in the event that the SEC sticks at 14 with Mizzou or WVU and the Big Ten sticks at 12. In that scenario the ACC is in no danger of losing members but can crow about how it stabilized itself anyway.

It’s pretty clear throughout this process that public image matters a lot to all of the players. Well, except Baylor, but what else can Baylor do?

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by Year2 on Sep 19, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is also a question in my mind

why agree to the increase? If you are about to bolt, then agreeing to pay more money to do that just doesn’t make sense.

by BullGator79 on Sep 19, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think a big part of it is the Mexican Standoff happening between the football schools of the ACC.

FSU, Clemson, and VT are clearly being considered by the SEC. Problem is the SEC likely only has two spots (given that TAMU has one wrapped up and Mizzou/WVU getting the other slot). It gets worse if the SEC only ends up with one slot. So you try your best to make everyone feel like you’re staying while still calling the SEC to get one of those two spots.

As a side effect, you make Pitt and Syracuse feel comfortable joining the ACC and hopefully deter Maryland from flirting with the B1G.

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by Psikik1 on Sep 19, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Makes sense.

A lot of people forget Maryland has been a target of the BIG.

by Aaron.50cal on Sep 19, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

About the 13 team scheduling

Do we have to have divisions? I vaguely remember something about divisions being required for a championship game. Could that be changed?

Is there any way to do a non-division, #1 plays #2 in the championship game scenario? You could have 4-5 protected rivalries and 3-4 rotating games.

by starry on Sep 19, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

anything can be changed

But why would a bunch of teams with divisions and a bunch of people that are left out come to your aid.

by Mark Mandingo on Sep 19, 2011 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes

The rule as currently written says you must have divisions to have a championship game.

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by Year2 on Sep 19, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's all up the NCAA

It could be changed, but it just depends on what all the players are willing to do. I imagine if the SEC or a collection of superconferences approach the NCAA about it then they will change the rule.

by AllTideUp on Sep 20, 2011 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

This thing is over with. It’s WVU or Mizzou and then the walk of shame back to B’ham. Like Spencer Hall says, don’t assume the adults are in charge. It’s really a matter of what you believe. Do you believe Mike Slive is a quiet ninja with his 12 Buddhist monk presidents supporting him from the rear. Or do you see a cautious, competent commish that was too reactive while his presidents made deals with each other as the clock ticked away. Michael Adams is my president. I go with #2.

by Mark Mandingo on Sep 19, 2011 12:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I believe what the SEC wanted more than anything was a continuation of the status quo. I’ve written about this many times, but no conference benefits more from the system as we know it than the SEC. The Pac-12 might have a bigger TV contract for now, but that won’t always be the case.

As I said in the post, the only school the SEC might end up fighting with the other big dogs over is Missouri. The SEC could take Mizzou or leave it; it can get comparable value elsewhere. The image of being proactive is not worth anything if you end up with a worse outcome by acting too early. The SEC can afford to sit back and watch events unfold elsewhere, and that’s exactly what it’s been doing.

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by Year2 on Sep 19, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you're right

but Michael Adams is my prez.

by Mark Mandingo on Sep 19, 2011 1:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You and I finally agree on something

After all the bluster the fact was that A&M and FSU were the only two teams that the SEC should have gone after and then sat pat at 14. The scenario that is playing out in front of us was exactly what I believed would happen which is why I said West VIrginia would end up with the 14th slot. The SEC has never had a buyout to leave the conference but if Missouri is accepted as a member then we will have to implement one bc the day the B1G calls they would abandon the SEC. Further, if FSU is really not a possibility then the SEC needs to go to 16 teams (A&M, MO, KS, and WV) just to keep up with the jones. WHile I know you and I dont agree on the academics of WV I still prefer their athletic program to any other viable alternative in the East and the idea of Kansas to the SEC just seems to foreign. Plus your back at 3 additions to the West 1 in the east and the whole realignment debate all over again.

by alduck on Sep 19, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

John Swofford confirmed that 10 schools have applied for ACC membership. Only two were accepted. We’re no longer at a point where schools only apply if they know they’re getting accepted.

These are desperate times for the remaining Big East schools like West Virginia, so I wouldn’t be surprised if WVU applied to both the SEC and ACC. Just because WVU likely applied to get into the SEC, it doesn’t mean it’s a shoo-in for the 14th member.

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by Year2 on Sep 19, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

While I believe WVU applied to the SEC, or will do so shortly, I don’t know that it means they will get accepted. If it were the ADs that voted they would have no problems, but the school presidents decide who gets an invite, and academics will play a part of it. That is what hurts WVU the most.

by BullGator79 on Sep 19, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reports now say WVU is out of contention in both ACC and SEC.

I’m betting Florida State tops the list for SEC’s #14.

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by Abiaka Windclan on Sep 20, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the other hand

with KS, MO, A&M, added to Vandy and Florida the SEC would have 5 AAU members and I believe GA is right on the cusp of requesting admission as well. That would do alot to end the arguments of the SEC as a weak academic conference bc only the MS schools and WV would be really low. The academic profile of the SEC would basically match the PAC and be just below the ACC.

by alduck on Sep 19, 2011 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Kansas is too far

Missouri borders three current SEC states in Arkansas, Kentucky and Tennessee. Kansas doesn’t border any SEC states. Plus, KU is likely tied to K-State, and that’s not an optimal deal for the SEC. I don’t think the Kansas schools are serious candidates for the SEC.

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by Year2 on Sep 19, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, its closer than Texas A&M to an SEC campus

College Station is 6 hours from Baton Rouge. Lawrence is 4 and 1/2 from Fayetteville. Lawrence is right down the interstate from Kansas City as well, so it has that going for it.

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by ColRebsLastBreath on Sep 19, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

And why does the AAU memeber ship matter...

It does not put butts in ther seats, eyeballs on the TV or thugs in the huddle…

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by Lord Willie on Sep 19, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

because the presidents run things

and their fate is more dependent on academic perception and fundraising than athletic success.

by Mark Mandingo on Sep 19, 2011 1:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good point

Bear Bryant always said 80K never showed up for an English class. As much as any president wants to deny it raising funds is a major part of their job. If Oklahoma doesn’t receive the kind of increase in grants that he thinks the PAC will bring then he will have to explain it to the alumni who ultimately donate the majority of every dollar a university relies on.

by alduck on Sep 19, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

no doubt winning is a big addition

But it doesn’t bring in those bog research grants like the big 10 has. Nor does the decision to add Mizzou or WVU affect Alabama or Ole Miss’s ability to win and lose. So in his case its about money and prestige.

by Mark Mandingo on Sep 19, 2011 1:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

big research

Although I’d be interested in some bog science.

by Mark Mandingo on Sep 19, 2011 1:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yeah

I mean, who doesn’t love bogs?

by AllTideUp on Sep 20, 2011 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

The big money is in research dollars, not football.

Surprise, surprise.

And the company you keep can help with that. Shared resources among research institutions can lead to more research funding. Research funding is the big money that really holds the B1G together.
http://www.cic.net/Home.aspx

The ACC is positioning itself well to create an entity like the B1G’s CIC if it wants.

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by Abiaka Windclan on Sep 20, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

EXACTLY-

That was Boren of Oklahoma’s point. Oklahoma would rank in the middle of the SEC academically but he wants to be associated with CAL, Stanford, etc.

by alduck on Sep 19, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unlike year's past

I think the days of a single team dominating a conference year in and out are over. The runs Oklahoma, Alabama, Ohio State and USC enjoyed in decades past are over. Scholarship caps, etc. have equalized the field of play. I love Alabama but will be the first to admit that the run we enjoyed in the 60’s and 70’s was mainly bc of unequal schollys. Bryant told a journalist one time that he would rather have a player on his bench than see him across the field on Saturday. (It was a response to why a certain player had been offered a scholarship even though the position he played was so deep at Alabama that he would never set foot on the field.) That equality has helped the SEC become what it is. While I believe that AL, FL and LSU are the new traditional powers of the conference with GA, TN, and AU really close behind, look at what AR and SC have accomplished. IS there another conference with that many legitimate contenders on a yearly basis.

by alduck on Sep 19, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of academic perception...

A fan post I did on the Missouri site which shows the SEC is a bit better than the Big 12 in academics.

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by Kpz1234 on Sep 19, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

As an aggregate, the best schools in the SEC

are “better” than the best in the Big XII. However, the disparity from top-to-bottom is a bit more disconcerting. If anything, the Big XII has more of a single academic identity.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 20, 2011 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

It does to the Big Ten because it is both an athletic conference and an academic consortium.

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by Year2 on Sep 19, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having U Chicago attached certainly helps

I know the ACC has one (the name escapes me), but the B1G has done a good job actually leveraging that academic success (through the consortium and lobbying for AAU memberships (IIRC), etc). The ACC seems to think that by being in the same conference as Duke, UVa, etc. that it’s somehow going to rub off on the other members.

by paperjames on Sep 20, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

It’s not like the star of Boston College or Duke or UVA has somehow elevated Clemson, NC State or Virginia Tech.

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by Kyle McCann't on Sep 20, 2011 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't have either before this weekend

But now you’ve got to wonder if the SEC can break off any ACC members

by alduck on Sep 19, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

At this point I think it would be easier to pick who will be left out

You’re basically reducing the number of BCS teams to 64 so a few schools aren’t going to have a seat.

by alduck on Sep 19, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm terrified that this comment...

… is right on the money… and that WVU is going to be one of the ones left out. Obviously, if things were started from scratch here, that wouldn’t be the case. However, we’re starting with conferences that already have long-serving members that aren’t going anywhere. It’s frustrating as a WVU fan that schools like Indiana, Washington State, Wake Forest, etc., will have a guaranteed spot in one of these conferences, when WVU and other schools bring more to the table. I might be worrying over nothing, and WVU might be announced as #14 tomorrow. But the possibility that we’re left out in the cold is disheartening.

by MountaineerMojo on Sep 19, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think WVU has much to worry about

if all the conferences go to 16. I think it’s a bigger problem for them if only a few do. Or if they all go to 14 instead.

Just be happy you aren’t South Florida, Cincinnati, Baylor or Iowa State.

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by Psikik1 on Sep 19, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It could certainly be worse.

But, if the SEC takes Missouri and stops at 14, and the Big 10 and ACC stop where they’re at, we’re really just as screwed as they are.

I’m also worried about reports that we applied to both the SEC and the ACC… the stench of desperation is never a good thing.

by MountaineerMojo on Sep 19, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't worry, WVU.

You got a ways to go to overcome the perception that Missouri’s the whore for any conference with an AQ bid.

"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan

by Kpz1234 on Sep 19, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice article Year 2

good hustle, enjoyed reading it.

by LSUJOSHUA on Sep 19, 2011 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

New billboard in Waco (home of Baylor) - appeared today

courtesy of some A&M fans, located on west side of Interstate 35 @ Valley Mills (visible to Northbound traffic)

The caption at the bottom says:

Sponsored by Texans for Conference Choice.

A school without football is in danger of deteriorating into a medieval study hall.
Vince Lombardi

by agulhas78 on Sep 19, 2011 4:04 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That's pretty awesome

rec’d

Considering changing my name to RebelBlackBearsConception

by ColRebsLastBreath on Sep 19, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Conference realignments

This article made more sense to me than any others I’ve seen recently. It will be interesting to see the projected revenue splits. Since SEC is much more currently football oriented, I can’t see the immediate need to expand further than 14 members, but as you stated, that could change in a few minutes. After all, it’s all about the money.

by strickinms on Sep 19, 2011 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

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