Report: West Virginia Submits Paperwork to the SEC
by cocknfire on Sep 18, 2011 9:06 PM EDT
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Colin Dunlap Same university source who told me Dana was getting hired--& was spot-on re: everything--says WVU sent paperwork to SEC today. We'll see.
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If this is a source who knew about Holgorsen's hiring, that means it's an administration source -- which means it's probably somebody who would know whether this happened. It might be an anonymous source, but it's about as solid as an anonymous source can be.
This makes a lot of sense for both parties. West Virginia might not have the biggest market left on the board, but it's got a passionate fan base and is a far better cultural fit than Missouri. It can also be accepted without requiring the East to give up Vanderbilt in return for Alabama and Auburn, a switch that will likely never happen.
Part of the timing would depend on how long it takes the Big East to disintegrate. The current waiting period means that Pitt and Syracuse wouldn't join the ACC until 2014, but if the three biggest programs in the conference are ready to bolt and others like UConn, Rutgers and TCU are looking for options, there might be room to shorten the waiting period. The question is what the basketball members will do, since they have no reason to step aside and let other members leave during an expansion cycle driven by football.
Again, it's all a thinly-sourced report right now. But it's beginning to look like the final pieces of this stage of SEC expansion are falling into place.
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I don’t see anybody out there who would up the value enough. I think it stops at 14, it doesn’t matter what the ACC or PAC 12 does, there’s no reason to go to 16 unless its a really attractive candidate (which is not available at the moment).
by Mark Mandingo on Sep 18, 2011 9:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
Also think that the ACC moving to 16 is not a given at this point. Same dilemma as the SEC.
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I don’t believe 16 is a foregone conclusions … but if the SEC does go to 16, I’d think that Louisville and Missouri are the most likely candidates.
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TCU might be a good candidate also
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…I’m starting to get the feeling they will be 15.
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by AlabamaJammer on Sep 18, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Where does this keep coming from?
They’re a tiny religious school and people think they’d make sense joining a league full of large state run institutions?
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I don't get it either
We’ve already got one Vandy.
by commodore_dude on Sep 18, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If we go to 15/16--which as Brian Favat says may not even be necessary or even possible for the SEC or other conferences and I agree with, with all things considered, who is better?
They can’t be any worse than ’Louisville, or some of the candidates that are being thrown out there.
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
No, they aren't
Go look at how terrible TCU was in the SWC. TCU has done a terrific job as a mid-major, but as a major conference team, they got crushed into powder. TCU in the SEC means that the West just got their Vandy. It would take a decade for it to happen, but I’m pretty confident it would.
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Since you brought up the SWC, they will not be in a conference solely in Texas/Texas teams for one thing in the SEC...
and being in arguably one of the best states for good hs players just like A&M, they can offer good recruits in Texas an opportunity to play on tv every week against great competition ;they are doing just fine without being in the SEC right now, so why would that drop off if they join a better league?
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
FIFY
TCU in the SEC means that the West just got their Vandy.
TCU in the SEC means that the West just got a second Ole Miss.
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I think that largely depends on what happens with the Texas, Oklahoma and the Pac 12
If the Pac 12 goes to 14 teams, it may stop there without the Big 10 feeling the need to make a move. If the Pac 12 takes 4 from the remnants of the Big 12 then it’s 16 all over.
As an outside observer, I’d prefer that the SEC keep it’s hands off the the recently expanded ACC seeing as how Syracuse just pitched it’s tent. The heavy exit fee would make it a hard sell in any event, plus the “gentlemen’s agreement”. Otherwise, FSU & Clemson would make the most sense.
Non ACC, I’d say Mizzou, Louisville and perhaps TCU. I think getting UK to allow UL would be easier than getting South Carolina or Florida to agree to FSU and/or Clemson. TCU would mess it’s pants if the SEC invited it to their party. Missouri is likely to foot drag in hopes of getting a ticket to the Big 10.
Otherwise, there isn’t a lot to pick from.
Interesting times…
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If the Pac 12 goes to 14 teams,…
I think Scott will add in bulk when getting Big 12 teams (16 or stand pat) and having UT come along makes it easier for him, but he will take OU, OSU, and two others if not which is why UT is second guessing because they can’t stop the deal this time I’m thinking. Getting TCU for 15 or 16—good football tradition and a really good program for a good while now that has begun getting more of the better players in Texas and near Dallas could give the SEC a good 1, 2 punch in Texas with A&M near the big markets.
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
Still don’t believe it has to be 16 all around. Like the SEC, there are now slim pickings for the ACC for 15 and 16. The schools that the ACC would add would have to add more than $40m / year in value (assuming the ACC moves to $20 m / year) else the rest of the programs be poorer for it. UConn and Rutgers don’t add that much value.
Similarly, the Big Ten is not expanding for the sake of expansion. May add Missouri and Rutgers, but the B1G will not move to 16 without Notre Dame, and will probably fall short of 16 and continue to wait on the Irish.
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The slim pickings are just why the PAC will go to 16
now instead of waiting. The picking don’t get better for them, they only get worse.
the whole reason for expansion
is money. We’re not in some situation where if you don’t make of to 16, you’ll die. If they take the “slim pickins” they don’t make any money off it.
by Mark Mandingo on Sep 18, 2011 11:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
DO NOT WANT...
14 is about as big as I care to ever get… We can still manage something resembling a decent rotation with 6 divisional games, 1 non division rival, 2 rotating other division opponents, and 3 OOC games.
We go to 8 teams and we either go to 2 OOC games, which stinks… rotate one team, which really stinks and basically turns us into 2 conferences… or eliminate rivalry games, which is the worst solution. I like A&M and WVU because they are extremely happy to be here and there will be no threat to our stability. I can’t say TCU wouldn’t come running if Texas called.
Or...
Eliminate divisions. 16 team conferences would work out if there were no divisions, each team played rivals every years and rotated other conferences, and the top two teams in the conference played in the championship games. I like that a lot better than a divisional format.
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I agree that this would be best.
But right now the NCAA mandates that there has to be some sort of divisional system in order to have a conference championship game.
I disagree
I think division promotes conference integrity and fan attendance. I am all for keeping up the old rivalries and I do not for a second think division play is flawless. I’d rather have teams rotate in and out of divisions, on a set schedule, than do away with them altogether, though.
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The Missouri admin might drag foot in hopes of the B1G ticket...
but Mizzou donors don’t think it’s coming and have threatened to withhold donations if an AQ conference offers and is rejected.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Mizzou, yes
ECU, no. I like ECU. A lot of my family went there. I’d like to see them get a shot at a big-time conference. But we shouldn’t even be CONSIDERING any team that isn’t already in an AQ conference. VA Tech is still my favorite from a standpoint of balancing culture and new TV markets, regardless of what their leadership has said on the subject. I have no doubt we will get at least one ACC team on the way to 16.
by commodore_dude on Sep 18, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to believe you
But I don’t see any way around it at this point.
by Mark Mandingo on Sep 18, 2011 9:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm prepared to hear you out on this one, . . .
. . . if only to restore my (now severely damaged) faith that Mike Slive would handle this well.
If Slive gets blindsided and outmaneuvered by the ACC, he should resign commit ritual suicide to restore the lost honor of his ancestors.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 18, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps he means this....
http://twitter.com/#!/Andy_Staples/status/115603528692678656
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WVU is going to do everything in their power to get out...
Before all the slots are full elsewhere, and they don’t make a mess out of the divisions.
Sorry, Mengus...
…like they said, acceptance is the first step. Hopefully when it comes to 16, Louisville will be right behind us. I hate to lose the series with you guys.
I just hope this report is true.
by MountaineerAirman on Sep 18, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
No one has to agree with WV coming to the SEC.
I don’t like the idea of stockpiling the bottom of the SEC with Louisville either.
by Aaron.50cal on Sep 18, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
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