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SEC Presidents Meeting Tomorrow to Discuss Expansion

The New York Times' Pete Thamel is reporting that 11 of the 12 SEC presidents will meet tomorrow to discuss conference expansion. His source is a "high ranking SEC official with first-hand knowledge of the talks". In other words, it's solid.

This official went to great lengths to try to cool this story off. The person said chances are around 30-40% that Texas A&M would be denied entry if put to a vote. In order for a new member to be added to the conference, nine of the 12 current members must approve. The official also said that adding A&M would make a 14th team a necessity, adding that "[n]o name has been thrown out. This thing is much slower out of the chute than the media and blogs have made it." The official speculated that fighting over the 14th team might factor into whether A&M gets an official invitation.

The official also took pains to describe how Texas A&M came to the SEC, not the other way around. The SEC also warned TAMU that it won't be a party to contractual breaches, so it had to get out of its Big 12 TV deal before coming back.

That's the report. Here's where the editorializing kicks in.

The SEC is right to make it sound like it was Texas A&M's idea to switch conferences, because the Big 12 could have grounds to sue the SEC if the conference went to A&M first. It may sound like a CYA move, but it could save millions of dollars in a hypothetical court settlement.

Also, if I'm reading between the lines correctly, it sounds like fighting over the 14th team could cause the 13th team not to even get an invitation. The conference official who talked to Thamel hoped that wouldn't be the case but couldn't rule it out. Four schools have in-state rivals that they would prefer not to be in the league, and if they don't get promises that their counterparts won't get invitations, they could vote against admitting A&M. Four no votes is enough to kill an invitation to another school.

This story does lend some credence to all of the denials from ACC schools like FSU, VT, and Clemson who have said they aren't talking to the SEC. I would be surprised if some back channel feelers haven't gone out to them, but I don't think any serious talks have been going on anymore. If there is a chance, even if it's less than a coin flip, that fighting over No. 14 could prevent No. 13 from even coming aboard, then I doubt anything has gotten hot and heavy. The ACC schools have to deny anything anyway to prevent there from being hard feelings should they remain in the conference.

Candidates for the 14th team that wouldn't cause consternation then would probably include Virginia Tech, Missouri, and NC State. I'm now wondering how serious a candidate Mizzou however as Oklahoma officials told Berry Tramel that both A&M and Missouri leaving the Big 12 would doom that conference. The SEC doesn't want to be seen as an instigator, and inviting Mizzou then makes it look like the SEC is trying to blow up the Big 12. Chip Brown is reporting that the ACC has called a meeting for Monday for everyone to reaffirm their commitments to the conference, so that could give the SEC some pause too.

Ultimately, I don't think A&M and the SEC would have gotten this far if it wasn't very likely that they'll end up together. We'll know almost everything we want to know by the time football season starts. Waiting is just the hardest part.

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I agree. It wouldnt have gone this far if there was a chance to block A&M.

What the presidents need to remember is doing what is good for the whole, not what is good for their institution. After all, this isnt the Big 12.

by burmbuster on Aug 13, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

You know...

With all that transpired last year regarding conference re-alignment and the writing that has been on the wall for a good while now about expansion, I’m really surprised that Slive doesn’t have a list of schools prepared and has been keeping the members very well informed. Maybe he does and this is one very well kept secret. Regardless, people will remember Slive for a long time with the outcome of this event in much the same way Kramer was given a lot of credit for the expansion 20 years ago.

by AuburnMisfit on Aug 13, 2011 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think he had a list before last summer, but he sure does now.

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by Year2 on Aug 13, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh please bring FSU in.

Im so damn tired of the ACC.

2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!

by Scalpemall on Aug 13, 2011 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

If I had a vote, y’all would get it.

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by FlaGators on Aug 13, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks man!

Anyone who understands CFB would die to get into the SEC.

2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!

by Scalpemall on Aug 13, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to see FSU as well. They have to be at the top of NCAA lists for name recognition and merchandising.

by davidstory on Aug 13, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still don't believe Mizzou is a viable SEC candidate

I don’t know why people keep trying to drag us into it.

by Gaknar on Aug 13, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

Nothing against Mizzou, but culturally and geographically, they don’t seem a viable fit.

by AuburnMisfit on Aug 13, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

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by FlaGators on Aug 13, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not about culture and geography.

It’s about revenue and expanding markets.

Jordan Jefferson for Heisman!

by Gregatron on Aug 13, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

If culture and geography were the overriding concern

Utah and Colorado would not be in the Pac12. Doesn’t mean I think Missouri is a good choice but that is for other reasons.

by ev on Aug 13, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, Colorado could still get in on culture

although perhaps not geography. Utah, not so much.

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by Incipient_Senescence on Aug 13, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I don’t see how Arkansas was a good cultural fit in 1992, but they’ve now been an SEC member for 19 years. (And I still think their culture is very distinct from the rest of the SEC. They’re much closer to Texas than Louisiana or Tennessee.)

by vineyarddawg on Aug 14, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep, end of the day it is about money.

by davidstory on Aug 13, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

by that logic

Slive should be on the horn to South Bend, Indiana. After all, who has a fan base like Notre Dame?

Fighting Irish in the SEC? Why not?

After all, as you say, it’s not about culture and geography. And so what if the non-revenue teams have to take a two-day bus ride? Its all about (football) revenue and expanding markets.

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by tryptic67 on Aug 13, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Umm.... yeah!

I think you get the idea. The thought of Notre Dame joining the SEC is laughable, and I think that’s your point. However, it’s got nothing to do with geography.

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by Gregatron on Aug 14, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would imagine that Mizzou is a second tier option

If Virginia Tech refuses to come and Florida blocks FSU, then the two best choices for a 14th school are off the table. Of the remaining available schools, Mizzou could prove to be a decent option.

by Seth9 on Aug 13, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want expansion

These conferences have become ridiculous and unwieldy. The conference is perfect as it is. Why fix something if it’s not broken?

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by colombo259 on Aug 13, 2011 5:39 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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by HawksNation on Aug 13, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

just for context

Expansion and contraction are as old as the western/big 9/big 10/B1G conference. Sometimes its about money, sometimes academics, sometimes bowl games, etc. If your school’s been around a while, its changed conferences or been in a conference that’s poached from others. If it becomes too cumbersome and affects competition, you’ll have conference splits. It’s the circle of strife.

If you wanna talk about the era of super conferences, look up the SIAA.

by Mark Mandingo on Aug 13, 2011 8:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed

Expansion is a bad idea.

Anyway you cut it, going to 14 teams will be disruptive – since it seems the NCAA requires a divisional format to keep a CG, then either you go to nine league games or you have division “rivals” that don’t play each other each year – undercutting the entire rationale for division play.

If you go to nine league games (plus a tenth championship game), then you’ve decreased the likelihood of a clean run and a shot at the NC game or BCS berths. Not to mention that the schools that would bring the most revenue (A&M, FSU) will make an already tough gauntlet that much harder. We’ll be putting ourselves at a competitive disadvantage.

If you modify or abandon division play, then the whole system is scrambled. It will undercut the integrity of the championship game as teams with less favorable schedules will complain about unfair advantage of those that don’t.

The SEC is fantastically successful at 12 members. The 10 member schools had to give up a lot to squeeze in two new members 19 years ago. The payoff was worth it then, but I don’t see how it could possibly be worth it now. It’s already a great product. As the TV medium evolves, local market share becomes less-and-less an issue versus a great product. There is simply no need to expand. There is no need to poach A&M or an ACC school.

If you love the SEC as it is now, then we should hope this expansion talk doesn’t pan out. And if that means the league loses Mike Slive, then so bet it.

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by tryptic67 on Aug 13, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I also think....

that another viable candidate from the east would be West Virginia. I think they fit in well and bring in new markets although not large ones. This is assuming that VT isn’t interested or that FSU is blocked. NC State would be alright, but I think WVU would bring more to the conference from a competitive stance. People from the state of WV are football crazy like a lot of other states as well and would also offer access to Pittsburgh and DC. I don’t know that NC State could offer as much seeing as their fan base isn’t that passionate.

by AllTideUp on Aug 13, 2011 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

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