Danny Sheridan: NCAA Has Found Cam Newton Bag Man
Paul Finebaum had the USA Today's Danny Sheridan on as a guest this afternoon, and Sheridan says the NCAA thinks it has found the bag man who helped Auburn pay for Cam Newton. I didn't catch the whole thing and the replay's not up yet, but this is news big enough to post it now and update later.
Most of what I have to go on right now is a series of tweets from Finebaum's Twitter feed. Here are the bullet points:
- The NCAA investigation of Auburn ramped up after the Destin incident. Be careful what you wish for, Gene Chizik.
- This is a quote from Sheridan: "As I understand it, the NCAA is trying to get an alleged 3rd person or bag man to come forward."
- Sheridan reports that the investigation is all about Auburn and not about Mississippi State.
- If the NCAA can put it all together, major sanctions will come along with vacation of the national championship and Heisman.
- Sheridan closed by reiterating that the NCAA thinks it knows the "third party" who put up the money to pay for Newton's signature.
Obviously this is huge news. I'll try to update this as soon as Finebaum's web site posts the audio from the interview.
UPDATE
The interview is up in Part 1 and Part 2. Only Part 1 has Newton talk, though in Part 2 Sheridan expresses annoyance throughout that Finebaum is doing the interview while also fiddling with his smartphone.
The following is all according to Sheridan.
The NCAA thinks Newton was bought and paid for; it's all a matter of proving it now. Some amount of money went to Cecil Newton, while another amount went to Cecil's church. This money was handled by a "third party". The investigation has "revved up" since Chizik's outburst in Destin. The total amount is approximately $180-200K, with $20-30K having gone to the church. Sheridan has "no idea" if this is true.
This is a direct quote: "They're trying to get a third person, allegedly the bag man, to step forward, and if he steps forward, it'll be a bad situation. But I don't know that he will step forward. I don't know if they have any evidence. I don't want you to misquote me." This "third party/bag man" would be someone doing the work so the someone else's fingerprints are not on the transaction. This third party is not a "rogue alumni".
Sheridan's sources at the NCAA are "25 years old" (as in, he's had a sources there that long; it's not a twentysomething feeding him info) and have never mislead him. [Edited to add: Sheridan later said his sources are not inside the NCAA but rather know people inside the NCAA -Y2] There are also 15 other schools being looked at, but he will not name them. They feel money changed hands in the Newton case, but if it can't be proven, the case "will be dropped in probably three-to-six months." Sheridan is not aware of any ongoing investigation of Mississippi State.
Confusingly, Sheridan later says that "Auburn had nothing to do with this" and that this third party "I won't say was working for a rogue alumni." I don't get what he's hinting at here. If the third party didn't do this with the school's knowledge and wasn't working for a rogue alumni, who is he and why did he get involved? Is he some sort of non-alumni booster? Two questions later, he says "if they are guilty of paying a student, not they but the alumni..." Huh?
Sheridan closes by saying the "they [the NCAA] think they know the third party, and they think they know the party that put up the money." That means the NCAA is looking at two entities here: someone who allegedly financed this alleged deal and someone who allegedly carried out this alleged deal. If the NCAA can remove the four "allegedly" instances out of that statement, Auburn's in deep trouble.
UPDATE 2
In a later segment, Sheridan calls the alleged financier of the deal a "wealthy supporter of Auburn." That means someone the NCAA will define as a booster, and that means (if true) we're in Albert Means territory at the least.
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The SEC has really just become an embarrassment.
The whole “it’s a religion” thing really just isn’t cool anymore. It’s sad.
These are universities and letting these redneck boosters and others who treat them as nothing but sports teams do whatever they want with them really makes for a serious stain on the region’s universities.
Really hard to take this sport seriously at this point. Hopefully major changes start soon, but I’m not holding my breath. This stuff is all indicative of much deeper cultural problems still deeply embedded within the South.
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by CoastalCowbell on Jul 20, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Since when are...
tOSU and SoCal in “the South”?
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by gatorhippy on Jul 20, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
well, in fairness,
georgia tech used to be in the sec. so that could be embarrassment by association.
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In the same 'fairness"...
The ‘South" certainly doesn’t have a stranglehold on corruption in any way, shape or form…
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Who said they did?
CFB is a total ethical disaster in many places and ways right now.
But the heart of the CFB world, as Southerners love to brag about, is in the Deep South.
I’m a Southerner that wants to see the region truly become a 21st Century region. A place with multiple universities on the level of California (Stanford, UCLA, the Cal system, etc.). Not just a bunch of football schools with redneck yokels treating them as their own toys.
actually
The south has a lot of great universities. Four of the top ten public schools (according to Us news and world report) are in the south. With the exception of Michigan, the rest are indeed in California. It’s unfair to compare other states to California. Sure they have great universities, but their economy is also bigger than most countries.
by Mark Mandingo on Jul 20, 2011 8:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention...
the SEC has two of only 60 universities in the prestigous AAU…
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This guy is immune to reasonable and thoughful discourse.
Don’t bother.
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Ridiculous
The more fans and alumni I meet from LSU, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama, Clemson and Auburn, the more I realize you can’t categorize any of them together, particularly when you’re talking about “cultural problems still deeply embedded within the South.” You turn on a football game and you don’t see “redneck boosters,” you see brilliant sport.
Well, at least if you’re watching SEC football, that is.
Me? I’m from Ohio. But I love football, and therefore, I love the SEC. It’s that simple. Cam Newton could have been paid $10 million for all I care, I still hate the guy, and he still played awesome football, even though I hated watching him do it. But the rest of the SEC? Gimme a break. Cultural problems? The South still has the best people, everywhere. I’ve met other SEC fans in other countries, and they were the best Americans I met
by ColorOfGrey on Jul 21, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This guy is a troll.
He’s trolled ATVS, and now he’s trolling here. He’s an idiot that should not be taken seriously.
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Sheridan just said
That Cecil and Cam refuse to speak with the NCAA
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by That Other Dave on Jul 20, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions
Damn right...
Adn the beauty of it is they don’t have to…
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My Proposal
I think it is pitiful that the possible selfish actions of Cam Newton and his father could spoil an entire season for the players and fans of Auburn. Here is what I would do to get rid of this type of controversy.
1.) Get rid of recruiting. Eliminate the prospect of some booster ruining everything with a secret payment. Go to a draft system. Players would give up their ability to choose where they go. But they would get number two in return.
2.) Pay them based on a four year contract with the university to be on the school’s football team. They could take the set NCAA salary in any form of part tuition, part salary. Or they could choose not to attend class at all and take it all of it in salary.
3.) Number two would give us the benefit of eliminating the fiction that is the student / athlete when it comes to many college football players. This would also free up resources in the classroom, for only those who want to go to class would be in there. You also eliminate cheating scandals, for a GPA would no longer be a requirement to play.
I admit that I don’t have all the details worked out. But I can’t see how some system like this wouldn’t be better than our current system where the actions of players off the field are making more headlines than what they do on the field. Would this give college football more of an NFL feel? Possibly. But you could still have all the pomp and pageantry, but just without the scandals that come with trying to operate an amateur sport in a country of citizens where “show me the money” is more than just a catch phrase from a movie.
by KevinHog on Jul 20, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty sure
that the wholesale Armageddon above is possibly not legal and would probably blow up college football as we know it (and not in a good way).
by Mark Mandingo on Jul 20, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't see
how you can possible force kids to goto schools they don’t want to go to.
"I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed, but I do say no more than 10 to 20 million killed, tops...depending on the breaks." - Buck Turgidson
Nobody forces a kid to play DI football
They could choose to do many, many other things in life. Nobody forces you to go to work in the new branch office two states away, but if you want that job with company XYZ, you go.
and of course
plenty of people would force you to work at IBM if you wanted to work at Microsoft instead AND Microsoft wanted you.
Actually with the NFL 3-year from HS graduation rule, if a kid just wants to make a living
playing football, he pretty much has to go to college. IMO, that more than anything is killing the purity of CFB. Kids who have no interest in earning a degree still have to go through the motions in order to have a shot at the NFL because that’s their only way to get to the NFL.
by TexasAUtiger on Jul 20, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
by default
Yes. You could make the argument about the cfl or afl but I don’t think that flies.
I would like someone to do a report on minor league baseball. In other words, who is better off amongst players that never make it past triple a or double a ball. Is it players who went to the minors right after high school and got paid, then washed out after a couple of years, or college players who graduated but didn’t get drafted (or washed out immediately, the draft has a thousand rounds). I don’t know how you’d evaluate but i’d be interested to see which is generally the best “life decision”.
by Mark Mandingo on Jul 20, 2011 6:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Its illegal to have a draft with labor without giving the right to unionize
Think there aren’t thousands of union lawyers just giddy about the prospect of this?
by BamaThrasher on Jul 20, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Let them unionize!
if need be. Just junk the whole “amateur” facade when it comes to D1 college football.
So make it minor league baseball, basically.
Yeah, no thanks.
"I don't know; we haven't played Alabama yet." -Vince Lombardi
it has other implications
ESPN just did a short little series on it. There’s title IX complications, player tax implications, non profit status implications, etc. Its easy to bang on about professionals vs. student athletes, but universities are still non profit educational entities and while admittedly there are a few schools that let athletics run things, overall most really are trying to be educational institutions first. They’ll run away from anything that resembles being a professional league.
by Mark Mandingo on Jul 20, 2011 5:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My suggestion is let the athletes get paid, but not by the university.
If Nike wants to give Jadeveon Clowny $1MM for an endorsement deal, let them. If a booster wants to pay $200K for a player, let them. If Zuckerberg could have sold software to Microsoft for $1MM while in school (thus profiting from his god given abilities) then why not let athletes profit off of their god given abilities? This is all with the caveat that there be minimum academic standards and the athletes have to meet those standards.
Oh, and on observation. How is a booster paying a kid $200K to lure him to a school any different than that same booster donating a couple hundred million to build a stadium or new athletic facility (or put Ipads in every locker like Suh did) in order to lure recruits?
by TexasAUtiger on Jul 20, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
letting the players sign endorsements
Is probably the only thing that you could realistically do, apart from small stipends. It doesn’t make the schools “employers”. I’m not saying I’m for it, but it has the least complications and implications.
by Mark Mandingo on Jul 20, 2011 5:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Further restricting the individual’s rights is not the solution to any of these problems. Cam Newton, and many others, accept money from boosters because they have no legitimate means of capitalizing off their ability while the institutions they represent are enriched by their labor. Until an equitable solution is established, where athletes receive fair compensation for their talents, the Cam Newton “scandal” will be nothing more than a footnote in an ever-widening string of NCAA “scandals.”
defining fair is the problem
Most universities think a scholarship is fair. They don’t even get that in DIII.
by Mark Mandingo on Jul 20, 2011 5:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think this is pretty absurd.
There’s already a league that does what you are suggesting. Just add a 12 team playoff and you have the NFL.
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If the USC case has shown anything,
The NCAA doesn’t have to remove the “alleged” from the equation. They are more than willing to hang a program based on a couple small jumps over missing facts.
Um, it showed us a lot more than that, but thanks for that nugget.
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by aproposdenada on Jul 20, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True on both parts
If the NCAA knows the have the details correct, they are willing to skip having all the actual facts. Truth be told, that has always been the case.
by ev on Jul 20, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm sorry
i seemed to have missed the part where the ncaa was actually held to the standards of criminal prosecution. i assume that was the same time they were granted subpoena power for investigations, right?
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I have to admit, you guys warned us going in.
by ev on Jul 20, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
perhaps i expected too much using satire
against a commenter who relies on ad hominem attacks to defend his point.
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Oh that's cute.
And I chuckled (bc I’m an LSU fan). But you didn’t make a point at all, now did you?
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It was shortly after Congress ripped up the Constitution
and gave non-governmental entities that power.
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by aproposdenada on Jul 20, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries. AU followed all of Andy Staples rules, so we're good.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/07/05/cheating-for-dummies/index.html
Also, if the bag man was not affiliated with AU, then wouldn’t this be like the Tee Martin case?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/news/2003/01/08/tennessee_cleared_ap/
I think
it would be different if the bag man could a. implicate AU personnel or b. It was established that it was a pay for play scheme. I don’t remember it very easily and the article is lacking in details. But that’s what seems different at least.
by Mark Mandingo on Jul 20, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Sheridan hedged a lot of what he said, but he was clear in closing. The NCAA thinks that a deal took place, that one person financed the deal, and that another executed it. He also seems to think that the financier is some sort of Auburn booster. If true, this is not the Tee Martin case and Auburn is toast.
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It's Quite Possible
That an Auburn booster paid Cecil without the school knowing about it. Also, I recall that early in this saga there was an allegation, that wasn’t denied, that Cecil’s church had a $50,000 renovation.
by Hogbody Spradlin on Jul 20, 2011 5:00 PM EDT reply actions
Sheridan seems to think that this all went on without direct involvement by coaches or people in the AD. That doesn’t necessarily mitigate the penalty.
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that would pretty much be
the “albert means” scenario.
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Exactly
The NCAA won’t care one bit, a booster is considered an agent of the school. The fact the coaches and AD didn’t know is just about meaningless.
by ev on Jul 20, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s untrue, and I really don’t understand why USC fans are the group who continually misapplies this concept most. Alabama avoided LoIC with Albert Means precisely because the administration had no knowledge, or at least the NCAA couldn’t prove any knowledge on the institution’s part. Boosters are not synonymous with institutions.
It will be ugly for Auburn if the NCAA can prove a booster paid Cam Newton; but if the administration had no knowledge, that will temper the blow a significant bit. At this point, that’s what Auburn fans should be hoping.
You are using an old set of rules
Ones Trojans believed would apply to them also. The NCAA changed it when they rules “USC should have known”.
by ev on Jul 20, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes but...
Unfortunately the NCAA does not cite precedent.
"I don't know; we haven't played Alabama yet." -Vince Lombardi
No, they didn't...
The NCAA pointed to the fact that the ’agent" involved in the Bush scandal was a constant fixture at practices, on the sideline and the post game locker room while also pointing to the fact that there was an issue with many other celbrities and athletes lingering around the program in a manner that created an environment the institution could not control…
The schools sanctions didn’t have anything to do with what was known by the institution but rather that it fostered this environment…
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You might want to actually read the COI
There was a shocking lack of punishment for those things.
by ev on Jul 20, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Already did...I suggest you do the same...
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I'd also suggest you read the public report...
Given that it explains the sanctions against USC as an institution and Carroll as being for those reasons…
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Now I know you didn't read them
Carroll was not listed as the cause of sanctions. Nice try.
by ev on Jul 20, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Caroll was most certainly sanctioned...
As named in the Public report summary…
Thanks for playing…
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What public summary
Neither the school or the NCAA publicly released the report. Stop believing everything you read in the paper.
by ev on Jul 20, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The one located at the NCAA's LSDBi...
The NCAA always posts the public report summary there…
That’s also where you can find how an institution’s record with the NCAA…
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Also...after perusing it again...
You are correct that Carroll wasn’t sanctioned…
Though the only reason he probably escaped that was that he hauled ass to the Seahawks…
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You do realize
That Alabama got the third harshest penalties ever for that case, right? They may have avoided the death penalty, but they didn’t walk away free and easy.
"I don't know; we haven't played Alabama yet." -Vince Lombardi
Also of note...
Bammeroid U has 5 major infractions resulting in sanctions to SoCal’s 6…
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Bama's '64 "sanctions" consisted of a public reprimand and censure.
Ouch :/
by TexasAUtiger on Jul 20, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It was for improper recruiting contact...
That was it…sounds about right even in today’s NCAA…
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I'm pretty sure Auburn has 7 majors
are you saying 2 of those didn’t involve sanctions?
by ev on Jul 20, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummm...
Bammeroid = UA
Barner = AU
Being a PAC guy I guess you wouldn’t understand SEC slang…
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"Bammeroid" is a term for Bama, which does have 5 major infractions.
At least that’s what I think he meant.
by TexasAUtiger on Jul 20, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok in that case I thought Bama had 6 majors
Is that where you “resulting in sanctions” comes to play?
by ev on Jul 20, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope...Bammers only have 5...
Barners are in the precarious position of currently sitting in multi-school tie for second most ever currently with 7…Spear Chuckers also are in that group…
If the hammer comes down on Auburn…they’ll be in a two or three way tie for the most…
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The $50K number was the estimate from the city of Newnan for needed repairs.
It was not the amount for repairs actually completed (see the update at the end of this article):
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/sports/ncaafootball/24newton.html
by TexasAUtiger on Jul 20, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't think that matters.
See Means, Albert.
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I just want to know
how you people cheat and win, too. I mean, we’re being investigated as well, but we’ve sucked for 4 or 5 years. :)
If you go by the Tigerdroppings AU Illuminati story, then AU has been cheating for 50+ years.
So, that’s very little success for a whole lot of cheating.
by TexasAUtiger on Jul 20, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Tigerdroppings embarrasses me.
If I were rich I would buy it just to shut it down.
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