Les Miles' Fake Field Goal Call Against Florida Wasn't Lucky -- It Was Bold
It would be hard to say anything about Florida's 2010 season without discussing the most improbable loss of the entire season. Not improbable because of the opponent -- that would be Mississippi State -- but improbable because of the way they lost -- to LSU.
The common theme of the story has been that Les Miles made a dumb call and lucked out because of the nearly-impossible bounce that the ball took. The common theme is wrong. Les Miles' call was certainly bold and incredibly gutsy -- but the bounce did not save a bad call by Les Miles. The bounce saved a bad pitch by Derek Helton. And that's the difference in the latest installment in the ongoing debate over whether the LSU head coach is a riverboat gambler or a buffoon. (A debate I've weighed in on here, in response to another often-misunderstood call by Miles.)
First, a look at the play we're talking about. Situation: Late fourth quarter, LSU needing a field goal to tie the game.
It's important to realize that this play is nothing new to Miles' repertoire. In fact, he's used it before -- more than once, but we'll get there in a moment. The most celebrated example, and the one most of our readers will be familiar with, is against South Carolina in 2007. The Gamecocks were en route to the Top 10, followed by the heartbreak of the end of the 2007, and briefly seemed to be threatening an upset, or at least a hard fought game, in Baton Rouge. One play changed the game into a relatively easy LSU win. This play:
At this point, the play was relatively new to SEC fans. Wait -- didn't the holder's knee touch the ground, and doesn't that mean it's a dead ball? (No, the ball is live as long as the holder's knee remains on the ground.) All the questions can eventually be knocked down by a close review of the rule book. It's a touchdown against South Carolina, and a touchdown three years later against Florida.
But the play was not new to Miles. It wasn't something he dropped into his playbook after coming to LSU. And it wasn't something he had never tried before. In fact, Miles had used the same play four years before he ever faced South Carolina and before he was even head coach in Baton Rouge. Like the Florida game, Miles used it at Oklahoma State when he needed a first down.
Now, if you review the plays above -- or if you were paying close attention to them the first time through -- you'll notice the crucial difference between the fake field goal against Florida and the fake field goals against South Carolina and Oklahoma State: the pitch.
In the plays that everyone applauded as bold and brilliant, the pitch is perfect. The holder tosses the ball over his shoulder, the field goal kicker catches it in stride, and the play goes for a big gain. In the Florida play, things change. The holder tosses the ball over his shoulder, but it bounces on the ground and into the waiting hands of the kicker. The kicker then runs the ball for a big gain, the same effect even if the execution is flawed.
Which is where some critics miss the key point. Yes, Miles was lucky that the ball bounced into the hands of Josh Jasper -- but he would have unlucky if it had bounced and Jasper hadn't caught it. The play calls for the pitch to hit Jasper in stride, not for him to have to pick it up off the bounce. It would have been bad luck of Miles' own making, sure. But that's part of the risk you take when you make a bold call -- there's a solid chance that things could blow up in your face.
Which is a chance Miles was willing to take, and something we should encourage in the normally risk-averse business of coaching big-time college or NFL football. Coaches are generally a conservative lot who don't like taking bold chances. But Miles repeatedly shows that they can pay off -- even if it does take a little extra bit of luck.
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How was the Mississippi State lost the most improbable?
At that point in the season, most of the more knowledgeable Florida fans I know knew that there was a very good chance Mississippi State could come in and beat the Gators. They were playing much better football, they had a much better coach, and the Gators don’t exactly have a sterling record against teams from Mississippi.
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As a Florida fan...
…I have to agree with this, but I think it was the way the Gators lost that struck such horrible chord with us. This simplifies it greatly obviously, but to lose a game 10-7 at home when you have more first downs and out gain the other team which forces you out of the AP Poll for the first time in 89 weeks…ugh. Improbable, no. That MSU team definitely stood a chance coming in. Just the way it happened that made it that much more painful.
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by The Bull Gator on Jul 3, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
At the time I wish I had seen the game on TV.
I was at the game and it was painful because it all happened so fast and we had little explanation of what just happened. While I was upset, I was more so because it was a “WHAT?!?” moment. We just weren’t completely sure what had just transpired.
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Honestly
I feel like people tend to make what they see from Miles fit their preconceived narrative without looking much further. Take the 4th down reverse against Alabama — the real risk was in the decision to go for it on 4th down. If you call the reverse and it blows up, honestly you’re just as dead as if you get stuffed on a quarterback sneak. It was a calculated, very smart gamble. What were the chances the defense would have had that play defended were pretty minimal.
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Great way to look at it.
The risk being going for it. Not necessarily how you did so.
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by The Bull Gator on Jul 3, 2011 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I think you're very wrong
The bizarre perfect bounce didn’t save the bad pitch, on what was an otherwise a good call…it, and Janoris Jenkins misplaying the play, saved what was a terrible call. Why was it a terrible call? It was a terrible call because everyone knew that is was probably coming. The Florida staff told the players to watch for the fake, but if you watch the play, Janoris still for some unexplained reason bit on the play. A fake FG, when the other side knows its coming, that somehow works out on a bizarre bounce, and a corner mysteriously biting on it anyway, does not make the call bold….it makes it lucky.
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This is the best argument that it was "lucky" for Miles
Florida should have been playing safe. Send an up-the-middle rush to try and block a low kick, but otherwise guard against the fake. Jasper was a very good FG kicker, and it certainly wasn’t out of the question that he would have made that kck if he’d attempted it, and it was certainly not unreasonable to think it would NOT have been a fake, but the odds say you’re better off guarding against the fake rather than going all out to block. The “bounce pass” was just an unexpected flaw in execution.
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by Richard Pittman on Jul 3, 2011 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But that’s always a risk when you run a trick play — that the other team knows it’s coming or will figure out how to stop it. Again, calling a trick play in that situation was bold, but I’m not sure that you can say anything more than that.
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Yeah...
but I’d say he was fairly bold and really lucky.
The fact is the man has had some monumentally boneheaded calls, and has had some phenomenal luck in the past… Now he isn’t an idiot, and his teams seem to be fairly prepared and outside of QB exceptionally talented… but he does suffer from the occasional case of brainlock.
you can quite easily say that it was bold and lucky, or bold and even stupid
The fact that it was somehow successful is the only reason you can even attempt to defend that playcall. Just because a play actually works, doesn’t automatically make that play immune from being a bad call. Going for it on 4th and long, from deep in your own territory is a generally a bad idea (depending on situation). If a coach goes for that, and is successful, it doesn’t make it any less of a bad idea. Les Miles playcalling in this siutation was extremely poor. The fact that physics and Janoris Jenkins conspired to make that play successful, doesn’t magically make that play a better call.
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The fact that physics and Janoris Jenkins conspired to make that play successful, doesn’t magically make that play a better call.
You do realize those two involve execution, and not the actual playcall, right? If a coach calls a halfback pass, it completely fools the defense, but the wide-open receiver drops the pass, it wasn’t a stupid playcall, it was a great one that the players failed to execute. There’s a difference. It was a well-calculated gamble, and the only reason anybody says otherwise is that it was called by Les Miles. If Urban Meyer called it in the same circumstance people would have an entirely different reaction.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
We'll have to agree to disagree.
IMO “exceution” has abcolutely nothing to do with a magical bounce. You actually agreed with my points, but stated them differently. Just like the halfback pass playcall, and the WR dropping it doesn’t make that call bad…a miracle bounce, and blown assignment, doesn’t make Miles call good. You can’t have one without the other.I’m sure that you LSU fellas are pretty assustomed to having to defend Miles, and I’m also sure that you tire of that. That being said, I’ve seen many an LSU board (including yours) that have shredded Miles for his playcalling, and also try and remeber that there is a reason you have to defend him so often.
If Meyer had called that play, and it had worked, I would be defending it just like you. Does that make me a hypocrite? Possibly, but I think it would also makes me incredibly biased, and loyal to my team, and my cause. Those are not things I fault you for, but they are things that must be considered. Having Les Miles for a coach, is like dating the really hot chick, that’s completely insane, and everyone of your friends hates. There is an obvious reason why you like her, but at the end of the day, that many people on the outside of the situation can’t ne wrong. Cheers.
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Nobody said the miracle bounce made it a good call
The fact that Florida wasn’t prepared for it and didn’t defend it made it a good call.
But cheers on being a hypocrite. You said it, not me.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
An attack on Les Miles
Despite a lack of understanding of the playcall, and apparently of what constitutes a good one. It was pretty simple.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
right.
I must be crazy for thinking that calling a trick play, that no one was tricked by, and needed a miracle bounce to be successful was a poor playcall. Your point I beleive is that a playcall should be able to stand alone, regardless of outcome, and that this specific play does. Needless to say, I don’t agree. If a trick play is missing it’s biggest component, the element of surprise, I don’t think that calling it could be considered a wise move…but hey, it’s not likely that we were ever going to agree on that specific play. Throw out some plays that weren’t quite as pivotal, and I’m sure we can find some common ground.
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The fact that Florida wasn’t prepared for it and didn’t defend it made it a good call.
The fact that Florida wasn’t prepared is what makes the call lucky. Did Les Miles know that Janoris Jenkins was going to bite on the play, that was all part of his genius? Miles thought he was making some crazy Bold play(IMO), he did not realize that it was quite OBVIOUS to most that it was going to be a fake. He was lucky that the Gator defensive staff did not have their team ready.
Point is… when a defense gives up a huge first down to a trick play that everyone was expecting… the defense is to blame.
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The fact that it was somehow successful is the only reason you can even attempt to defend that playcall
Well, that’s not why people are defending it. It’s also not a bad call just because Florida coaches said “Watch for the fake.” Advice that is probably given on, well, every FG attempt.
It was a 50 yard FG, hardly a chip shot. It was in Jasper’s range, but it was a less than 0% chance he hits that kick. LSU’s line had been dominating Florida’s all game (LSU had a huge yardage advantage, and UF was winning due to turnovers and big plays). LSU had also successfully run this play before, and they practice it. So it wasn’t like Miles reached deep into the bag.
Also, this call typifies Les Miles: he expects his players to make big plays, and they deliver. He trusts his players, and they see that. If it goes wrong, Miles takes the blame. If it goes right, the player is lauded. It’s a fairly unique philosophy in coaching, and one almost devoid of ego (though I think Miles has a healthy ego). but he’s generous with credit to his players, and always willing to take the blame. Players see that and internalize it, and constantly make plays for him. They seem to LIKE playing for him for this reason. It’s also safe to fail.
Many coaches play to minimize criticism. Play it safe, and if you lose, that’s the way it goes. Miles plays to win, and in doing so, opens himself up to huge criticism… even when the play works.
Luck has nothing to do with it. Because sometimes, the play DOESN’T work. It’s part of the risk. LSU went 1-11 in fourth down attempts in 2009, and the record reflected that failed risk-tasking. But, ass an LSU fan, I’m perfectly fine with those failed attempts as the cost for the times it does work. Even if it does take years off my life.
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Less than a 50% chance, not less than 0%
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If a play depends 100% on the element of surprise
And it turns out there is no surprise at all, but still works…Thats luck.
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Faulty assumption
I doubt anyone will see this response now that we’re off the first page, but here goes anyway…
I don’t believe that play 100% relied on the element of surprise. In fact, I highly doubt any play does. Also, to reply to something you said below, just about every successful play by one team was partly caused by a failure by the opposing team. To call that luck is to call virtually every play in every game luck.
To look at this play specifically, look at Jenkins. Sure, he goes too far inside, but if he stays outside in contain, there is a blocker assigned to him. Jasper can recognize and cut inside instead of outside, following his blocks. To blame this play entirely on Jenkins seems grossly unfair. And it’s not like he’s so far out of the play.
To use a play that went against LSU that I wouldn’t describe as luck, but still required a lack of execution — Julio Jones’ big TD catch on the screen pass was caused by a defender missing a tackle in the backfield and also, obviously, Peterson being on the bench from cramping. Bama had two factors go their way absolutely outside their control — but I’ve never heard anyone call Jones’ play luck. Nor should they.
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You dont run a fake FG for the fun of it.
The point is to catch the defense off guard and get a huge break. Nobody runs a fake FG on their own 20 or on second down. Because there would be no point in even trying to defend it, which is almost the same situation as the play were talking about. There was no element of surprise. Florida should of been more prepared. Its luck that they wernt.
I knew it was a fake and the florida coach’s with out a doubt have 100X more knowledge of the game than I do in their little pinkies. So if I expect the defense to play a more safe zone to protect, LSU was damn lucky they didn’t.
I dont think we will be able to agree on this topic. But in case you think there some kind of agenda here to attack the intelligence of Les Miles…Theres not. I am simply talking about this one play, I like the way Les Miles coaches his teams. (besides the clock management part,lol)
And as the saying goes…“I’d rather be lucky than good.”
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Just watched the play again up above
And no it was no all on Jenkins. There is two other defenders right with Jenkins sprinting towards the holder. So its pretty obvious there no cover safe called. If even one of the three players sprinting toward the holder (unblocked) had stayed with the kicked to play it safe, the play would could of very easily been picked off and gone the other way for a TD, and game over LSU.
So go watch the play and think to yourself, “why and the hell are all THREE of those defenders sprinting towards the holder instead of staying back playing it safe?” The answer should be- The defense wasnt prepared for it to be a fake… Then you should ask- " Why in the hell didnt they have any doubt at all that the play was a fake"?
Even joe the plummer knew… haha
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Part of it is your risk tolerance, I guess
I’d rather have a coach that takes too many risks rather than too few.
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What is bold? Was Floridas jump pass against Bama earlier in the season bold?
That’s true there is always a risk. But in this instance, IMO the right call was to go for it on 4th down. That is why when the FG unit ran out on the field everyone was predicting the fake.
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EXACTLYYY!!!
Miles was lucky. Not only because of the bounce, but the huge mistake of the Gator defense not being ready for the fake. I knew it was a fake, and so did everyone else. It was a 4th and short and there was plenty of time left on the clock. The kick was some where near 50 yards or so and as mentioned above, Miles was known for his fake field goals.
Going for it on 4th down was not really all that bold, considering all of the factors at the time it was the right call, just lucky that the fake FG still fooled the Gator defense and a football seemed to bounce perfectly into the arms of the kicker.
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I think the entire "Les Miles is a bad coach" meme
is a great way to spot fans that don’t know much, or are just stupid. Knowledgeable fans know that Les Miles is a very good coach overall, though his end of game management is very flawed.
Some men just want to watch the world burn. Others set it on fire accidentally and call their friends to come over and watch. Les Miles is both.
- Spencer Hall
I have a hard time calling any coach with his "game management" skills, "very good".
Les Miles is clearly a better coach than he’s given credit for, but he also has his flaws which are pretty easy to spot. Miles is a good coach, but I still can’t shake the feeling that he’d be better as the number 2 man on a staff, and not it’s leader.
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