SEC Adopts Package of Oversigning and Roster Management Regulation Package
by Year2 on Jun 3, 2011 2:04 PM EDT
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PrintI don't have much time now, so I'm just going to lay this out. After announcing a record $18.3 million payout to each school in the conference, Mike Slive announced that the SEC will adopt a package of rules regarding oversigning and roster management. He plans on submitting these rules to the NCAA for it to adopt as well.
- Banning the graduate school exemption for players with only a year of eligibility left. That keeps SEC schools from participating in the senior year free agency market. This goes into effect in October, giving Russell Wilson a chance to transferring into the league this summer.
- Conference oversight of medical exemption scholarships. This was a part Slive's leaked proposal.
- Restricting number of signees to 25 per year. The coaches were unanimously against this, but the presidents were unanimously for it. Again, this was in Slive's leaked agenda.
The only proposal from the leaked agenda that didn't go through was the fourth one, which would have banned early enrollees from signing financial aid agreements before they actually enrolled in school.
This is big news. It will be even bigger if the NCAA adopts these rules for everyone.
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A victory for people wanting to move the SEC and Deep South institutions into 2011.
A bad day for Nick Saban, Alabama, and those wanting to keep it 1950 forever.
Still a lot of room for Saban and others to do their thing… meaning more will have to be done in the future… but solid progress for now.
Deeply corrupt cultures aren’t changed overnight… as the history of Alabama shows very clearly.
Cool it. I’m on the anti-oversigning side too, but that’s not how you make friends and influence people.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
Ha.
We just got substantial progress despite the screaming and fighting of SEC West fans, coaches, and most ADs. (Scott Stricklin has been a surprisingly ethical voice in that deep wilderness.)
Not really worried about making friends with these people. Just interested in getting the right thing done.
We all know the B1g
Certainly knows corruption.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
Pull the other one.
I’ve never seen a bigger B1G apologist than you.
by Durdens Wrath on Jun 6, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
College football knows corruption.
Acting like any one conference or region has a monopoly on good or evil is stupid. Blaming the South for whatever is stupid, and turning this into a Big Ten vs. SEC thing like you’re doing is stupid.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
If you've had Rangers100 troll your blog you'd understand.
He can say what he wants. Those that have dealt with him in the past know.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jun 3, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Trolls under various names?
If he’s not Texas_Dawg, then he admires him enough to imitate him almost word for word.
FWIW, Texas_Dawg has his own SBN account. You’re tarheel something or other over at oversigning.com, right?
I’ve encountered Rangers before, at ATVS and other places. Annoying and too personal at times, but he’s right, so I can tolerate it.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
He's right about the immoral, backwards and corrupt South?
You’ll pardon my disagreement.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jun 3, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The oversigning part. Regional arguments would take a few million words to make cogently.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
I think everyone can agree
That the Nick Saban “medical hardship” scholarship/cut player process is morally empty.
There are other issues of oversigning that I think contain both good and bad qualities. Rangers100 comes at this from a holier-than-thou standpoint and refuses to look at both sides of the argument.
"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7
No, I've looked at both sides of the argument.
As have a lot of people. The problem is that the pro-oversigning side is simply wrong and is thus getting crushed on this argument, as more and more people learn about the issue and press the media, schools, and governing bodies to act upon it.
You have yet to crush anybody
There’s a reason your comments keep getting deleted and you keep getting banned from various sites.
It has nothing to do with your opinions.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
I didn't say I was doing the crushing.
Your side is getting crushed in the debate, which is why people who make decisions on the matter, such as SEC presidents, continue to move to eliminate the practice.
Why do they keep doing that?
Because you are wrong, and the people that have been arguing against you are wrong.
So we're wrong
But you’re wrong too. And we’re getting crushed in the debate.
Keep this up man, you’re on a roll.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jun 4, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Perhaps not enough people are getting put on medical hardship.
And really… who is the medical hardship hurting? Nobody.
by Durdens Wrath on Jun 6, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
You can tolerate it? That makes one of you, Aziraphale.
Back on topic, though, this was a good decision, especially the part about the league having to approve medical redshirts.
Go 'Dawgs!
It's good progress...
…but still leaves a lot of room for student exploitation by weak institutions and their unethical employees.
Ethical progress is like road maintenance. The work never ends, but done correctly you can keep things in pretty good order.
We’ll be revisiting the huge potholes that still exist in the SEC on this issue after a few more rounds of Alabama & Auburn roster purging.
Exploitation by weak and unethical institutions
like Ohio State?
"Lattimore, as the kids can say, can ball, and sometimes does it to the extent one might say [he] is out of control in his balling." - Spencer Hall
by GwinnettGamecock on Jun 3, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, they must be ethical then!
Pay no attention to that whole “lying to the NCAA” thing. Or the fact the most high profile player has been suspended for taking improper benefits. As was Troy Smith before. And Maurice Clarrett before.
There’s simply no rational way to say Ohio St was running an ethical program. They were violating actual NCAA rules, instead of the rules you pretend exist but don’t.
Michigan is on probation. Iowa is still reeling from a practice scandal in which people died. Minnesota has finally recovered from its grade fixing scandals. Wisconsin has been on NCAA probation more than any other program ever. Even more than Auburn.
If the Big 10 is the model of ethical behavior, well, they are doing a really crappy job of it.
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Can't afford to
Too many skeletons in the closet. Inmates running the asylum. Haven’t you been following the news?
The SEC/South as reform leader doesn't seem to match your preconceived notions, but that is a more apt description.
No other major conference has all of these rules in place. Now if we can get those backwards conferences like the Big 12 and Big Ten to jump on board.
"Lattimore, as the kids can say, can ball, and sometimes does it to the extent one might say [he] is out of control in his balling." - Spencer Hall
by GwinnettGamecock on Jun 3, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Big Ten has yet to implement any version of three of these four changes (to my knowledge)
They have a hard 85 player cap, which you believe is a fabulous idea.
They do not allow any conference oversight on medical hardships.
They do not restrict grad school free agents.
They do not restrict grayshirts from participating in summer drills.
If one charitably grants that the Big Ten’s 85 player cap is twice as valuable as the SEC’s new 25 player rule (a position that I do not actually believe), that makes their overall rules on the issue half as comprehensive as the SEC’s. Ergo “backwards conferences”. Go troll somewhere else.
"Lattimore, as the kids can say, can ball, and sometimes does it to the extent one might say [he] is out of control in his balling." - Spencer Hall
by GwinnettGamecock on Jun 3, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
They have conference oversight of all requests to be oversigned.
You can’t just be oversigned by 15 players, as you still could be with the SEC rules.
No other conference oversigns more in football than the SEC. The adopted rules stopped short of the Big Ten Conference’s model, which was not considered by the SEC.
This was good progress… but the SEC still has a ways to go to truly get rid of the SEC West style roster purging we’ve seen in recent years.
Wow. There you are once again.
Equating oversigning to apartheid and civil rights. You are one seriously deluded fool.
You’re just butt hurt because your pitiful Dawgs are in the cellar of the East thanks to your old ball coach.
And a shill for the Big 10 if I’ve ever seen one.
by Durdens Wrath on Jun 6, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Still don't like the 25 cap
The effect of this is that unless a kid is massively talented, schools now have a discinenctive to go after academically at-risk kids. Having more people concerned about your academic success was a good thing, even if they were coming at it from selfish motives.
JUCO largely helps kids, and now it’s likely we’ll see less kids placed in JUCO by a program, and have that program interested in that kid’s future success, even though the kid is free to sign with anyone. I feel this is one of those moralizing issues that makes a good soundbite but actually hurts kids.
I do really like the rule about grad school. Having college “free agents” was sort of ridiculous.
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Of course you can
But the school is no longer making that “commitment” to the player. No one is going to sign an academically at risk player on Signing Day unless he’s immensely talented. All you’ve done is extend the recruiting on these at-risk kids until after Signing Day. If he qualifies, he’ll get an offer. If not, a school might attempt to place him in a JUCO, but there’s no longer that relationship that exists in the current system. The kid is basically on his own.
I think the SEC has removed the incentive for coaches to get involved with academically at-risk kids. I don’t think that’s a good thing. You can’t tell me the life of Nick Fairley would be better had Auburn not placed him in a JUCO. Without oversigning, maybe they never take the effort to continue to pursue him once he failed to qualify, initially.
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Yeah, but Poseur you're missing the point.
For every Nick Fairly there are a hunder Eliot Porters. Oh wait…
"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7
What chaps my ass about that....
… is that the reason LSU thought it had a schollie for Porter is because we felt Brad Wing wouldn’t qualify. And why did LSU think that? BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT THE NCAA TOLD US.
So LSU does it’s due diligence, appeals a wrongheaded ruling on Wing’s academics, wins the appeal, and then gets villified for being over the cap. This doesn’t give Miles a free pass, but to completely forget that the NCAA gave LSU wrong information on one of its signees is completely glossed over.
Anyway, the effect of this rule change is to extend the recruiting season. Because that’s good news.
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When you are in a conference with Nick Saban, the good have to suffer for the bad.
It’s just that simple. Miles doesn’t take advantage of the rules in morally empty ways, but he does benefit from them. Other’s don’t take advantage at all, and some cross a line. It is what it is.
"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7
Pretty comical coming from an LSU fan...
…the school that brought Nick Saban to the SEC and greatly benefited from his oversigning and roster purging… and continued it long after he left.
I'm not a fan of the 25 cap.
I thought 28 was fine.
Instead of limiting it to 25 I’d have kept the number at 25 and forced each school to PUBLICLY identify who the “odd men out” would be in a scenario where everyone qualified. I think that would make things much more interesting…
"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7
What a typical load of nonsense from you on this issue.
Any kid that doesn’t qualify still goes to JUCO just as he did before. What changes is that a current enrollee doesn’t get cut or chased off to an inferior school should the recruit in question qualify post-NSD.
You are upset because your rolling roster size just shrunk, and that is all you care about here.
And you wonder why people call you a troll?
Tell us again about the big bad and oppressive south.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
Inferior school?
I find this ironic, coming from you. Given that one of your standard lines of trolling is to attack SEC schools, and LSU in particular, for being terrible schools that don’t care about education. But now oversigning is a problem because the player gets “chased off to an inferior school”?
I applaud you for finally coming around to realize the quality of SEC academic institutions, and LSU in particular. Your opinion of our academic reputation was keeping me up at nights.
And, for the record, LSU doesn’t use JUCO a whole lot, so the cap won’t have that big of an impact on our signing classes (we tend to sign 26). I think our JUCO involvement will shrink from small to incredibly small. But I do think this hurts the non-power schools (and Auburn) disproportionately. JUCO is how “lesser” programs keep up.
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But now oversigning is a problem because the player gets "chased off to an inferior school"?
Yep.
Compared to other state universities (say, those of the Big 10, Pac 10, ACC), SEC West schools are pretty poor. But they still have far better resources than other schools in the South.
It’s all relative, but no one’s confusing LSU with Michigan, academically-speaking, in case that’s what you were thinking.
It's amazing we can read
While Michigan is a great school, and one of the very top public schools in the country, LSU and other SEC schools are just as good if not better than the bulk of the Big Ten (how will we keep pace with Indiana?). LSU has highly ranked programs in engineering, landscape architecture, and foreign language. We also have this little magazine called the Southern Review you may have head of.
The difference between state flagship schools is where you want to live, outside of a few exceptions (Michigan, Berkley, UVa).
But I love how you can call our schools terrible, say we don’t care about education, and then have the audacity to say that a kid who doesn’t get a chance to go to our school is missing out on a huge academic opportunity. The doublethink you are capable of is astounding. To use the Elliot Porter example… your opinion that LSU is a shitty school is well-documented on the internet. Are you saying Kentucky is an ever crappier school?
I’ll put my LSU education up against the Troll College you went to.
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By the way
A quarter (at least) of Cal-Berkley’s freshman class in any given year comes from the state’s junior college ranks.
And if you’re the best the Big/Pac 10 can send at us to prove education, I speak for the whole SEC in saying, we’re not worried.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jun 4, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Amazing how the APR for the Big 10 is only
SLIGHTLY better than the SEC. By like 6 points.
by Durdens Wrath on Jun 6, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
1 point, actually
Conference multi-year averages: 956.4 versus 955.4
NW has the highest (993), and OSU the second (985). However, Minnesota (935) and Michigan (928) finish behind all the SEC schools.
Alabama (963) and LSU (966) would sit alongside Indiana (966) and Wisconsin (967) ahead of 7 B1G programs.
It’s like Democrats or Republicans accusing each other of running up the national debt: hypocritical.
by heelsgot6 on Jun 6, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only change I unequivocally support is the medical hardship rule
Some programs bend the rules right up to before they break, and the conference needs to watch them. Alabama apparently does it with medical hardships.
Propose these rules to the NCAA as a whole if you like, but don’t unilaterally disarm.
"Lattimore, as the kids can say, can ball, and sometimes does it to the extent one might say [he] is out of control in his balling." - Spencer Hall
by GwinnettGamecock on Jun 3, 2011 7:02 PM EDT reply actions
Who is getting hurt with these medical hardships?
I mean really? Kid gets his education. He wasn’t going to see playing time. Who is hurt here?
by Durdens Wrath on Jun 6, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
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