Scott Moore: Cam Newton Was in Room When Cecil Asked for Money
Huntsville, Alabama radio host Scott Moore appeared on a Mobile radio station this morning to talk more about what he knows from John Bond's and Bill Bell's tapes regarding the Cam Newton scandal. (Listen here, "Morning Sports Center Hour 3" around the 32 minute mark) He was one of the big sources who talked about the HBO Real Sports special on college football based on what Bond had told him.
Moore said that one of the tapes has Cecil Newton asking for money from Mississippi State with Cam in the room at the same time. He also said that the NCAA has a copy of some of the tapes and did encourage Auburn to sit Cam down before the Auburn-Georgia game. If you remember, it was shortly before that game that AU officials quit saying that everyone was innocent and switched to "no comment" as the standard response to everything. He also says that Cecil claimed to have a $200,000 offer from Tennessee but he'd give Mississippi State a $20,000 discount.
While confirming what we know about the NCAA investigating Auburn's recruiting practices in Louisiana, he also said it's about to look into Auburn's recruiting in Arkansas as well. Auburn's recent signees from Arkansas include RB Michael Dyer and TE Dakota Mosley in 2010 and QB Kiehl Frazier in 2011.
Finally, Moore reiterated the story that an FBI agent told Bond that Cam Newton would be a footnote in the Bureau's investigation, and he said that the investigations into Colonial Bank will eventually be a problem for Auburn. AU Board of Trustee member and athletic booster Bobby Lowder was the CEO of the now-defunct bank, and several other prominent boosters serverd on Colonial's board. Moore is not sure if Bond will appear on the Real Sports episode or not, and HBO has not offered him money to do so.
Now of course, the disclaimers: Moore is an Alabama guy and his cohost on his radio show is a former Alabama player. Also, all of his information is coming from Bond and Bond's tapes, not from himself. However, Moore says he has heard Bond's tapes, and the two of them are good enough friends that Bond gave his first and only interview since last November on Moore's show. Moore also said he didn't go looking for this story, but that it kept coming to him via his connections.
Furthermore, when you can only hear a conversation and not see what's going on, you can make errors in your interpretation of it. Moore seems completely convinced that Cam was in the room for one of Cecil's money calls, though, so at least one tape gives off a very strong indication of that being the case.
The lingering question is how Cam Newton could have been found ignorant of his father's shakedown of MSU if such a tape really exists. I can think of a few ways: 1) there is more doubt about Cam's presence in the room on the tape than Moore believes there is, 2) the NCAA hadn't yet heard that tape when the reinstatement decision was made, and/or 3) the reinstatement decision was based solely on information furnished by Auburn itself, which would not have included any evidence turned over by Bond and Bell.
As for the first one, it's completely plausible. For the second one, Moore says the NCAA doesn't have all the tapes from Bond and Bell so he doesn't know which the NCAA has heard. That one seems somewhat fishy; I would have thought the incriminating tape would be the first one they would turn over.
As for the last one, the NCAA's official statement said the reinstatement decision came from a list of facts that Auburn and the NCAA enforcement staff agreed upon. I simply don't know enough about the reinstatement process to know if this means the enforcement staff told Auburn everything it knew or if this is a case of giving Auburn and/or the Newtons enough rope to hang themselves with by witholding contradictory information.
Regardless, Bond clearly believes that he has evidence contradicting the idea that Cam Newton had no knowledge of his father shopping him around, and according to Moore, he'll make the tapes containing that evidence public at some point. Until then, we'll just have to keep watching and waiting.
UPDATE: Be sure to read the addendum to this post.
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I know a Birmingham attorney who is familiar with the FBI investigation.
He has heard all the evidence and says that Auburn is in no trouble at all. And he’s an Alabama donor/alum/season ticket holder. We shall see.
I don’t doubt that you do, but I’ve seen dozens of people who say they know someone who knows something, and the aggregate testimony of those sources supports all possible outcomes for the case.
I tried to make it clear that Moore and Bond’s evidence only tells the story from one angle, and that we the public still don’t know everything. After all, if the tapes made it incontrovertibly clear that Auburn was asking for money, Moore would be shouting that out as loud as he is that Cam knew about his father’s solicitations. Instead, he was playing the “it really makes you wonder” card regarding how Cam ended up at Auburn, which does not now nor has ever proven anything. It’s entirely possible that the Newtons lied to Auburn throughout and the school really is off the hook.
For now though, we’ve got a media member who has heard the tapes and is going on the record with some of their contents, but who knows where this ultimately leads.
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I guess the point I am making is, everyone knows someone who knows someone.
We need to wait for the facts before we draw conclusions.
And the point I'm making
Is that a media member in Moore knowing Bond and having heard tapes is different than someone I don’t know on the Internet claiming to know another person I don’t know who supposedly knows something.
I don’t post rumors unless they have a media member backing them up, and even then I almost never do it. Moore reporting what he heard in the tapes is categorically different and falls outside the realm of rumor and speculation.
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Exactly
If Moore turns out to be totally wrong on this, he’s going to have to deal with the fallout of that in public.
Some guy telling his friends behind closed doors, won’t.
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by Billy Gomila on Feb 25, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I appreciate your unwillingness to post rumors. I do think that there are very
different categories of media members. I wouldn’t, for example, put Scott Moore in the same category as Christiane Amanpour (to state the obvious). We still need to proceed with caution when the warrant a “reporter” brings to the table is as biased as is Moore’s.
I know a Birmingham attorney who is familiar with the FBI investiagtion.
He has heard all the evidence and says that Auburn is in DEEP shit. And he’s an Auburn donor/alum/season ticket holder. We shall see
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1 more year (2012)before Auburn has to vacate their BCS Championship?
The University of Utah is off to the Pac-12 Conference and will be in the South Division. Hopefully we will get to the first ever Pac-12 Championship Game. Jon " Bones " Jones gets his chance for the UFC Light Heavyweight Title when he faces off against Shogun Rua. Jon Jones will win.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Feb 25, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, The Tapes Come From What?
Are these meetings between Bond/Bell and Cecil/Cam, or tapes of phone calls? Second, why is John Bond holding back? Does he think he can play for money, or is he beholden to law enforcement?
by Hogbody Spradlin on Feb 25, 2011 12:13 PM EST reply actions
You'd think if he has said tapes, he would have run as fast as he could to the NCAA to get
Cam declared ineligible BEFORE AU played MSU. Instead when asked for more info, MSU dragged their feet for like 6 months from December, 09 through sometime in the summer.
by TexasAUtiger on Feb 25, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I’m guessing from everything I’ve read that these tapes are some combination of voice mails and recorded telephone calls. Seeing as how Bell lives in Destin, Florida, anything from him would have to be from phone calls. I think I remember seeing a story about Bond and Rogers meeting in person about this, but I don’t remember if Bond ever said he met the Newtons in person.
The story from Moore is that Bond will not come forward with anything because the Mississippi State athletics department is asking him not to. Moore swears nothing on the tapes incriminates MSU, but Scott Stricklin has asked both Bond and Bell not to be on the HBO program and to hold back.
I’ve not seen an explaination why MSU wants them to hold back. Bond gave some of what he’s got to both the NCAA and FBI, so they have some of this evidence. Beyond that, I simply don’t know.
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Sounds like MSU may not be in the clear.
"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7
I’ve read a lot of fanciful stories about what MSU may or may not have done. None are strongly sourced enough to discuss other than what Moore has put out there.
Having said that, Mississippi State had two boosters (Bond and Bell) talking directly with a street agent (Rogers) and a recruit’s father (Cecil) about a recruit. Even if MSU did all the right things after Bond turned them in, I don’t think the NCAA looks kindly on boosters being directly involved in the recruitment of a player.
Maybe they’ll end up cleared for cooperating or because the boosters didn’t initiate the contact or something, but now’s not a good time to be having agents and boosters mixed up in recruiting.
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Plus
We don’t know what the NCAA and/or the SEC has asked the schools to do. The directive to sit still and hold tight might be coming from a level above MSU.
I know the SEC is particularly sensitive about its public image, and it may not want anything else leaking until the whole story can be presented at once. Clearly it’s not getting its wish, but that desire would be in line with the conference’s past words and actions.
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It's like the Cold War of SEC football
Bond has his finger on the button to launch a nuke at Auburn. The Miss St. AD is trying to hold him back for fear of what may be comming his way…
"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7
You are pretty much right on the money with this comparison
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by BamaReturns07 on Feb 27, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Also in the room; the pope, the queen, and Colonel Sanders... with his wee beady eyes.
This thing goes way deeper than Bobby Lowder personally paying AU players straight from Colonial Bank’s TARP funds. In the end we’re going to find out that the entire state of Alabama’s economy is based solely on the Auburn football player free market system. They can’t shut it down or it’ll bankrupt the state (and possibly MS, AR, and LA too).
People seem to be taking extrapolating from "Cecil asked MSU for money" to
“Cecil asked every school recruiting Cam for money” to “AU paid for Cam” and they are stopping there focusing all solely on AU. What about OU? They told the NCAA that Cecil did not ask for money. Why would they lie?
I agree
Nothing about what Moore said directly implicates anyone at Auburn. Nothing.
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True. But it would cause Cam to be an ineligble player for the 2010 season.
Causing AU to vacate every win and give back every trophy.
"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7
Right
Cam knowing doesn’t necessarily mean probation, but it almost certainly does mean 0-14.
Although, given the precedent with ’04 USC, Auburn will probably keep its AP national title.
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According the the cfbdatawarehouse, Bama 2005 went from 10-2 to 0-2 (not 0-12, i.e.
vacated wins don’t count as losses). If so, then AU 2010 with vacated wins = 0-0… still undefeated biatches!!!!
Of course everything from 2005 on the official ncaa.org website still shows Bama at 10-2, so I’m not sure where this official record book that the vacated wins are erased from is even located. Maybe they’re located on an old mainframe called Cyber-Tyde.
by TexasAUtiger on Feb 25, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
0-0 is probably more accurate than 0-14 as the wins would likely be vacated, not forfeited.
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LOL
If so, then AU 2010 with vacated wins = 0-0… still undefeated biatches!!!!
Classic. I predict a shirt being printed…
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and a ring...
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by Stuck in the Plains on Feb 25, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Of course the auburn posters are calling bullshit.
They are in denial. Can’t spell auburn without cowshit.
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by BamaReturns07 on Feb 27, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not entirely sure that cfbdatawarehouse is correct on that
My understanding of the rules is that vacated wins are losses for Auburn but not wins for the other team
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This is true. Everyone, ignore the 0-0 stuff I mentioned earlier.
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Going back to the standard bearer for vacated/forfeited wins, Bama,
the cfbdatawarehouse shows Bama 93 at 1-12 with all but one win “forfeited”, compared to the 2005 season with all wins “vacated” resulting in 0-2. That implies there is a difference, however if anyone can point us to the elusive “official record” that the NCAA keeps that would clear it up.
by TexasAUtiger on Feb 28, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions

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