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Just How Bad Is It at Auburn?

I know Auburn didn't have the banner year in 2011 that it had in 2010, but anyone who thought they were going to was out of touch with reality. You can't lose more than 30 players, many of them veteran leaders, off of a team and expect to compete for conference championships. That Auburn went 4-4 in conference and 7-5 overall despite that harrowing attrition and the nation's toughest schedule (according to FEI) is at least a neutral sign to me, if not a slightly positive one.

Nevertheless, I saw this lament from Kevin Scarbinsky of the Birmingham News about how bad a year it's been for Auburn. It's basically the pessimist's view of the team in 2011, with Michael Dyer's bowl suspension being the coup de grâce for an awful year. About the only thing he left out is that Auburn's opponents outscored the Tigers by 61 points on the season (291 for, 352 allowed). He concludes by asking whether 7-5 is going to become the rule for AU under Gene Chizik.

I don't dispute that it's been a tough year on the Plains, with the Newton scandal overshadowing last year's championship afterglow, off field arrests, and a five-game regression in record. Again though, I would point out that this was a young, inexperienced, and thin team in extraordinary circumstances attrition-wise facing the nation's toughest schedule. Auburn's four conference losses all came to teams in the top 16 of the F/+ rankings and the fifth loss came to the ACC champion.

The Tigers beat two of the best three teams in the East in South Carolina and Florida. If Auburn had played Georgia's schedule, only still having to face UGA instead of playing itself, the Tigers could easily have gone 7-1 in the league. Quarterback has been an issue this year, but it might not be next year if Kiehl Frazier grows into his recruiting rankings. Auburn should have been able to do better than Ted Roof as defensive coordinator, and after 2010's national championship, it probably will this time around. Gus Malzahn possibly leaving to take the Arkansas State job is a concern, but given how Auburn stepped up to reward him monetarily this year, Chizik should be able to find a suitable replacement.

Star-divide

Auburn taking a couple steps back this year was going to happen anyway. A lot of people focus on the big leap that teams sometimes take in the second year of a coaching regime, and Chizik certainly had one of those last year. What they often fail to notice is that those same teams often fall back down to earth some in either Year 3 or 4, generally having three or more losses. It's a common side effect of time-delayed coaching transition issues.

Ohio State went 14-0 in Jim Tressel's second year and 8-4 in his fourth. Florida went from 13-1 in Urban Meyer's second year to 9-4 in his third. Alabama carried its second year bump under Nick Saban into the third year when the team went 14-0, but it fell to 10-3 the next year. None of these are perfect analogies for 2011 Auburn, but none are perfect analogies for each other either. A team is always going to fall down from a peak, and circumstances will dictate how far. Auburn was dealt a particularly bad hand for this year.

Chizik and his staff have brought in very highly rated recruiting classes the past couple of years. He's got another one lined up for this February. If Auburn has another 7-5 year in 2012, it might be time to start asking some questions. It might also be a side effect of (potentially) replacing both coordinators. We'll have to see.

However, it's far too early to declare Chizik a 7-5 coach in perpetuity. If that was true, then there would a case for firing him right now as Auburn can and should do better than settle for 7-5 every year. Let's give him a bit more time before we get that far.

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Reading Kevin Scarbinsky...

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by Todd on Dec 13, 2011 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I know

But it made for an easy post this morning. I’m spending most of my blogging time on bowl stuff for later, but I still need stuff for now.

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by Year2 on Dec 13, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I see how it is

shooting fish in a barrel fluff pieces. This might have been insightful if you would have examined the circumstances of Chizick’s staff attrition, and what those circumstances might portent.

by monkeyattackedmyass on Dec 14, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously.....Y2 was generous.

Taking all factors into account, Auburn could be heading into a death spiral. If getting blown out by Bama, UGA, LSU, and Arkansas is just a bump in the road to you then I don’t know what to say. And Virginia may very well beat AU too.

by AllTideUp on Dec 14, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Quarterback really is the key

Its been said that Cam made Malzahn, and I don’t buy that because he managed to milk a decent year out of Chris Todd as well, but good God was Auburn’s quarterback situation bad in 2011.

Defensively, I think Auburn showed just how important a dominant DT can be. LSU had similar issues when Glenn Dorsey left as well. It’s arguably the premium position in this conference.

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by Billy Gomila on Dec 13, 2011 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

how many Offensive Linemen did Auburn lose from last year?

In the SEC the Defensive Line is the cornerstone to every strong team. Stud SEC defensive linemen are big, strong and FAST.

When any SEC team is starting more than one freshman Offensive Lineman it usually spells a downturn in offensive production (Arkansas lost two OT’s from last year and started two Freshmen on the line this year, in turn Wilson got planted a lot and the running game struggled)

I believe that the loss of Ziemba was just as big as the loss of Fairley and Cam.

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by TX_HogFan on Dec 14, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Slow news day, huh?

FWIW, Bama’s 10-3 year was really not that bad a year, when you consider that Bama finished #3 in FEI and, as anyone who watched the games knew, really didn’t get beat that badly, and certainly not by bad teams, in that year. A bounceback this year was not at all a suprise

In 2011, Auburn is currently #73 by FEI, which is leading to quite natual suspicions that the Tigers caught lightening in a bottle, and what was done once is unlikley to be repeated.

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by NJBammer on Dec 13, 2011 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

Hey

If the keep the money rolling in, they can do anything!

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by blackertai on Dec 13, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Was it bad this year?

Or was this year the norm and last year an outlier? Yes, they were young and lost a lot of players and yes, the schedule was tough. The schedule is always going to be difficult and the coaches have to get the players ready to play. Did they get better as the season went on? The debacle at UGA says no.

Roof’s departure is a good thing, but if Malzhan leaves, big trouble is ahead.

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by jadams4148 on Dec 13, 2011 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

Until they are able to win another all-star player lottery

they will be closer to this than 2010, which is fine by me. Clowns are amusing.

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by LSUJOSHUA on Dec 13, 2011 1:56 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Ask yourself this question:

Would you rather your team be in Auburn’s situation, Florida’s situation or Tennessee’s situation.

I think Auburn has more upside right now than the other two programs. Now if their coaching staff falls apart…That’s a different story.

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by LSU Jonno on Dec 13, 2011 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

Now that the coaching staff has fallen apart...

I think this is a harder question to answer.

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by LSU Jonno on Dec 13, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Also a good point.

Plus at least UT has a quarterback in Bray.

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by Billy Gomila on Dec 13, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Florida’s because Miami is going to be way down, and it’s easy to have two top teams in this state.


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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2011 7:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Auburn overachieved this year

and they lose very little to graduation. I don’t know how a reasonable observer could call this a bad year.

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by GwinnettGamecock on Dec 13, 2011 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, totally agree.

Everyone expected them to be bad preseason. They had a bit of momentum mid-season because of the wins over Miss. St. and South Carolina. The fall was just them coming back to preseason expectations. Not sure why anyone would think their performance this year was notable. They lost next to everything from last year. With the recruiting they’ve been doing, though, they should improve over the next couple of seasons.

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by Gamecock Man on Dec 13, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

eh...

They were absolutely terrible on offense, and way below average defensively too.

The reason we’re talking about 7-5 Auburn instead of 5-7 is because two of their opponents played their worst game of the season against them… and they would be 6-6 or worse if not for an extremely fortunate ending vs. Utah State.

by Caban on Dec 13, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

and I'd rather be us...

We did literally everything except kick returns and rushing offense better, and generally MUCH better than Auburn. And next season we hopefully won’t lose Justin Hunter, Tyler Bray, Herman Lathers, and whoever our #1 TB is for half a season or more.

by Caban on Dec 13, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think UT is set up for a better 2012, including a

best case scenario/stars align East title. If something goes wrong though, you’ll be going through another coaching search and losing most of your high caliber talent from a thin roster to the draft.

For me, the answer to the question of whether you’d rather be Auburn or Tennessee comes down to, ‘Do you trust Derek Dooley to lead your program?’ No one still knows what the definitive answer should be to that question, but I think it would take an exceedingly optimistic assessment of his performance to date to believe that Dooley has his program on more solid footing than Auburn’s.

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by GwinnettGamecock on Dec 13, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Who's the second

The win over South Carolina was indisputably terrible by South Carolina.

That said, if Florida is the second awful game in question, it may have been the worst, but Florida was nearly as bad against Florida St., in the 2nd half of the Georgia game and against LSU and Alabama.

If Mississippi St. was the second awful game, Mississippi St. was generally bad in most of its SEC games. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be 2-6 in the league.

Yes, there was the fortunate ending against Utah St. and yes Auburn was horrifyingly bad against any team with top level talent, but given how young this team was I’m not surprised. It felt a lot like the Arkansas team from a few years ago that had few players returning in year one under Petrino, but with much better results lucky though those results may be. That Arkansas situation has ultimately turned out fine.

by aubievegas on Dec 13, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

It's Florida...

and although the scores don’t bare it out, UF’s offense looked a lot better vs. LSU than they did against Auburn. Brisset was fairly accurate, and Demps ended up sitting out the Auburn game. Same sorta goes for Bama, Brantley looked competent early but the team just kinda quit.

I really got the impression that a bunch of Florida’s guys just sorta mailed in the second half of the season after getting pantsed by LSU and Alabama.

by Caban on Dec 13, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

5-7 is their talent level. That's why they overacheived.

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by GwinnettGamecock on Dec 13, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

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