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Road to the BCS Championship, Week 11

Stanford's road win over Oregon State over the weekend actually hurt the Cardinal in the computer polls. That's a problem for the team's national title hopes.

A soft landing for the Tide.

Alabama fell to fourth in the Coaches and Harris Polls, but it remained third in the BCS standings. I have no problem with this; if you lose to the No. 1 team by a field goal in overtime, there's even a case to be made for not falling in the polls at all.

So how did the Crimson Tide edge out the Stanford for third? Glad you asked.

The Pac-12 is absolutely toxic to the BCS computer rankings.

The computers have often disagreed with the human polls about contenders, but almost never to this degree. Stanford is either No. 2 or No. 3 in the human polls, but it's seventh in the aggregate computer rankings behind No. 4 Boise State, No. 5 Oklahoma, and No. 6 Arkansas. The Cardinal is as close to the computers' No. 13 South Carolina as it is to LSU and Oklahoma State, who are tied for first. Only two computer rankings have Stanford even as a top five team, and one of those is the notoriously messed up Billingsley rating.

Here's the thing though: Stanford's reward for beating Oregon State on the road this past weekend was seeing its computer poll score fall from .800 to .770. Yes Stanford will get a bump from playing Oregon, but if it wins, that will limit how much the playing the Ducks helps their cause. Plus the Oklahoma schools will get a bigger bump from playing each other, and Bama's bump for playing Auburn actually won't be all that far off from Stanford's Oregon effect (especially if the Tigers beat Georgia).

Stanford will likely have a healthy deficit in the computer polls relative to any zero- or one-loss SEC or Big 12 teams when everything is said and done. It probably won't be enough to make a one-loss Oklahoma team or Alabama jump an unbeaten Stanford in the final standings, so don't fret over that particular scenario. However right now the two human polls disagree over who is No. 2, and if they continue to do so, the tiebreaking computer vote will swing firmly in Oklahoma State's favor.

Boise State: Laying in the weeds.

To follow up on Boise State's feature here last week, the Broncos are still hanging around the top of the standings. Ultimately, I don't see their fate being so much as a contender as a spoiler.

Despite playing Colorado State, Air Force and UNLV in the interim, Boise's computer ranking has actually increased from .800 to .850 in the time since the BCS standings first debuted. I expect that to fall back down, especially with the dead weight that is New Mexico still yet to come. I honestly am not sure if an undefeated Stanford would be ahead of an undefeated Boise State in the final computer rankings, which says a lot about the computers this year.

Where Boise really has influence is if we end up with a logjam of one-loss teams. The Broncos won't play for the national title unless they are a unanimous No. 2 in the polls, and voters being voters, that won't happen. They could end up spoilers for someone if there really is disagreement in the human polls.

LSU-Alabama rematch odds: 20%.

I had the odds at 10% last week; I'm moving them up to 20% this week. One of the absolute key prerequisites was met: that the teams played a legitimately close game with a final margin of no more than one score. LSU's three-point overtime win certainly qualifies. I might have put the odds higher at maybe 30% or so if Alabama had won; voters are more forgiving of road losses than home losses.

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I still think that the chances are better than not that Oregon beats Stanford and Oklahoma beats Oklahoma State, so I do think a rematch will be on the table. The continued winning of the latter set of teams helps the BCS out as a format, because imagine what would happen if Oregon wins out and those two each had two losses. You're looking at these options: LSU rematches Oregon, LSU rematches Alabama, and LSU faces a Boise State team that will have effectively played 11 nobodies. That's not appetizing.

Let's imagine Stanford and Oklahoma State do fall (which has a 25% chance of happening if each's big game remaining is a toss up). Let's also say LSU, Bama and Boise win out.

My educated guess is that in that situation, Alabama would end up second in the computer polls. It would probably be a narrow second over Oklahoma, but second nonetheless. Keep in mind though that the computers are basically a tiebreaker if the humans disagree.

The serious candidates to play LSU would be one-loss Oklahoma, one-loss Alabama, and undefeated Boise State. Aversion to rematches and a bad computer poll ranking basically would eliminate one-loss Oregon. Oklahoma would seem to be the obvious choice here, with Bama having lost to LSU and Boise having a rich history of being shut out of the national title game. Plus, Boise would be behind both of the other two in the computers. The human voters have shown no inclination to vote overwhelmingly for the Broncos over one-loss AQ conference champions, and that is what it would take for them to face LSU. They're done, essentially.

Some voters might boost Boise to make a point though, especially coaches from non-AQ conferences. How many sympathetic voters BSU has will play a role in sorting out the Oklahoma-Alabama positioning. Who will the Bronco-leaning rebels put third and who will they put fourth? This is where BSU's spoiler potential really comes through.

As for the Oklahoma-Alabama debate, it will be a good one. OU will have won what is arguably the toughest conference in the country this season. It will have also lost to an increasingly sketchy Texas Tech team, which, at present, is not a lock to make a bowl game. Meanwhile, Bama's sole blemish will be a three-point loss to the No. 1 team in overtime. Alabama will win every defensive statistical argument; Oklahoma will win most every offensive statistical argument. They don't even have anything resembling a common opponent.

I can't predict who will win that argument. We may not even get that far. And for as wild as that situation will be, just imagine if Arkansas knocks off LSU on the last weekend of the regular season. We're a long way from this issue being settled either way.

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Arkansas will not knock off LSU

Stand on me.

Also, Boise will get Bama in the Sugar and that massacre will seriously allay any talk of BSU being a serious contender for the near future.

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by LSUJOSHUA on Nov 7, 2011 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

I should've added

LSU by 21+ over Ark.

nemo me impune lacessit

by LSUJOSHUA on Nov 7, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

meh...

That game reeks of COTG intervention.

If that line is anywhere near 20, I’m taking the Arkansas moneyline.

by Caban on Nov 7, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

As much as I would like that

I think you are pie in the sky with that one. I think we’ll win by 10, but not more. I hope Les is replaying the 2007 game nonstop that week.

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by artiger on Nov 7, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll take the points.

It isn’t quite up to the “throw out the records Iron Bowl” but crazy shit happens in Arkansas-LSU games. If I had to guess right now, LSU will probably be favored by 9.5 points. The last six games between the two teams have been decided by 22 points total.

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by IsayPetrinoYouSayPaterno on Nov 8, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

meh

I wouldn’t say we have any room to say that Bama will kill Boise in the sugar. The same was said about Utah. I think Bama wins that game, but I don’t think we should be all high and mighty about it.

by Mark Mandingo on Nov 7, 2011 5:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

My thought as well.

My nightmare scenario is that we will get into another Sugar Bowl and not give a crap. Losing to Utah was bad enough, but losing to Boise this year along with everything else that has happened would be a huge FAIL.

by AllTideUp on Nov 8, 2011 5:41 AM EST up reply actions  

please explain

OU will have won what is arguably the toughest conference in the country this season

OSU has beaten Texas A&M (now unranked), Kansas State (should be unranked), and ?
Oklahoma has beaten Texas A&M (see above), Texas (maybe a top 25 team), and FSU (now unranked)
Kansas State has beaten Miami (unranked) and no one else ranked (or was ranked)
Texas has beaten no teams that were or are ranked
Same with Baylor, Missouri, Iowa State, Kansas, or Texas A&M

LSU has beaten Oregon (was #3, now #7), West Virginia (was top 20 now unranked), Auburn (ranked), Florida when they were ranked, oh and #2 Alabama.
Alabama has beaten Penn State (top 15), Arkansas (#8), Florida (when they were ranked)
Arkansas has beaten Texas A&M (in Dallas), South Carolina (#13), Auburn (ranked)

Saying that the Big XII is the “best conference in college football” is a major leap in my book.

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by TX_HogFan on Nov 7, 2011 5:44 PM EST reply actions  

But the computers love them.

And with the BCS that matters.

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by RjTheMetalhead on Nov 7, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Depth

To be fair, look how deep the Big 12 is. Outside of Kansas, every team is at least pretty good. Anybody can beat anybody in that conference, which means they will liekly end up with a bunch of 7-4 teams of roughly equal quality.

The SEC is more top heavy. But the bottom is pretty ugly. And our #3 team right now (Arkansas) need late heroics to beat A&M, the current #5 Big 12 team. They seemed to be a roughly equal quality.

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by Poseur on Nov 7, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

their #1 team also needed late heroics to beat their #5 team

but I think the Big XII has seven legitimately good teams in it this year, possibly even eight. It’s rare that a conference can say that. But eighth place is Texas Tech, and that’s not bad at all.

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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 8, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

let us take a look at that statement

Big XII teams:
1 – Oklahoma State – good team, unbeaten and unchallenged, won vs A&M and KSU very porous Defense
2 – Oklahoma – good team possibly best in conference, lost to Texas Tech, beat A&M and KSU, lots of key injuries
3 – Kansas State – ok team, beaten badly by Oklahoma, lost to OSU
4 – Texas – so-so team, beaten no ranked teams, lost badly to OU
5 – Baylor – so-so team, beaten no ranked teams
6 – Missouri – so-so team, beaten no ranked teams
7 – Texas A&M – so-so team, beaten no ranked teams, lost badly to Oklahoma, lost to Missouri, lost to Arkansas
8 – Texas Tech – weak team, beat Oklahoma in huge upset, almost beat A&M
9 – Iowa State – weak team
10 – Kansas – Weak team

Now the SEC:
1 – LSU great team, beaten two top 5 teams and two other top 25 teams, Dominant Defense
2 – Alabama, great team, lost to #1 LSU, beat one other top 10 team and other top 25 team
3 – Arkansas, good team, Lost to Alabama, Beat top 10 South Carolina, Beat ranked Auburn and Texas A&M
4 – Auburn – good team, rebuilding from NC season
5 – South Carolina – good team, beaten ranked Gorgia
6 – Georgia – good team, lost opener to Boise St.
7 – Florida – good team, facing many injuries
8 – Tennessee – rising team, lost games after losing top skill players
9 – Vanderbilt – rising team
10 – Mississippi State – poor team
11 – Kentucky weak team
12 – Ole Miss bad team

I think Vandy and Miss. State would beat Tech, Iowa State and Kansas, and possibly Missouri

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by TX_HogFan on Nov 9, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Rematch

As a Bama fan, I certainly wouldn’t turn it down, but if it comes down to 1-loss Oklahoma or Alabama, I suspect that Oklahoma will get the nod, and I can’t say I have any problem with that. There will be interest in the offense of Oklahoma vs. a great SEC defense, and the country is entitled to see that opposed to what we would suspect would be another hard fought game between LSU and the Tide.

If the rematch happens and LSU wins again, by however much, the story will be that someone else should have gotten a shot. If Alabama wins, hooray, but it’s obviously a logical cluster that would actually render the Game of the Century the most insignificant game of the entire college football season. (That’s somebody else’s point, but I don’t remember where I read it.)

Yeah, Texas Tech is an atrocious loss for OU. But it seems to me that, in terms of getting into the BCSCG, it’s almost better to lose to a bad team that everyone knows you are superior to than to lose a close game to a good team. If the former, we all know you had an off-night and may likely be one of the best teams, but the latter can show that there is a team that’s better than you. (See LSU losing to UK and a mediocre Arky in 2007; if they’d lost to Florida or VT, they may not have made it.)

by Promeco on Nov 8, 2011 12:29 AM EST reply actions  

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