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A Word on Game Outcomes Before We Have the Rematch Debate

Unless this weekend's LSU-Alabama game is a big blowout, we're going to have a debate over the following month about whether the two teams should have a rematch in the national championship game. I want to set a few things straight before all that goes into overdrive.

First, just because one team beats another team, it doesn't mean the winner is the better team overall. It doesn't even mean the winner was the better of the two teams on that day. My favorite example to illustrate this point is the 2007 Boston College-Virginia Tech game.

For the first 56 minutes, Virginia Tech was clearly the better team. You could see that fact from watching the game, but just about any stat category you want to use—points, yards, yards per rush, yards per pass, third down conversions, etc.—backed it up. The Hokies had only a 10-0 lead, but it felt like much more than that as the game winded down.

With BC pinned to its own eight yard line and only 4:16 to go, both teams changed their strategies entirely. VT went with a prevent defense, while BC began calling aggressive passing plays on every down. Matt Ryan also would begin completing passes at a 60% clip for the rest of the game, which was far higher than his then-43% completion percentage on the day. Those facts, combined with a well-executed onside kick, allowed BC to score two touchdowns in those final four minutes to win 14-10. The Legend of Matty Ice was born.

What happened in those final four minutes had absolutely nothing to do with what went on during the first 56 minutes of the game. VT was clearly the better team for 93% of this contest. Anyone who watched the game should have come to the conclusion that Tech was the better team, and most of the stats still ended up in the Hokies' favor.

In the end, Virginia Tech was the better team no matter how you prefer to measure it. VT beat BC in their ACC title game rematch by a more convincing 30-16 score. It didn't lose to a mediocre team like BC did to Maryland that year. It finished higher than BC in both polls despite the two having identical 11-3 records, and it finished well ahead of BC in the overall FEI and S&P+ ratings from Football Outsiders.

In short, the outcome of a game can tell you nothing about who is better. But let's simplify this a bit, because the ACC of the past decade has tended to be chaotic anyway. Can we have a definitive national champion even if the national title game winner ends up 1-1 against the team it beat there?

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To borrow the president's last campaign slogan: Yes. We. Can. Just look at the one time when we did have a national title game rematch.

In 1996, Florida State beat Florida 24-21 in Tallahassee in the regular season game. Florida then beat Florida State 52-20 in the Sugar Bowl rematch. No one then or now argues that you can't decide who was the better team between them. In fact while Florida was a unanimous No. 1 after the game, FSU even fell to third behind Ohio State in both polls. Choosing who is better among two teams that were 1-1 against each other is not necessarily an unsolvable conundrum. Relatively recent history illustrates that fact perfectly.

Let's simplify this even further though.

If the score of a game always indicated the better team overall, we wouldn't have the term "upset". If the score of a game always tells us everything we need to know, no one would talk about games that were either closer or not as close as the score indicates. If mere records were enough to parse the differences between various teams, no one would have argued that 12-0 in the SEC is different than 12-0 in the WAC during any phase of the great Boise State debates.

We know all of this stuff instinctively, but it seems to go out the window in the presence of the word "rematch". That's why I propose we not use that term, but instead use "best" and "most deserving". That dichotomy is what every year's BCS championship game debate really boils down to anyway.

Do we want the best two teams playing, or the most deserving two teams playing? Sometimes it's the same two teams either way, but not always. Even those in favor of Florida playing for the title in 2006 admitted that, through the end of the regular season, Michigan had looked like the better team between the two. When the Gators' name flashed on the screen opposite of Ohio State's in that year's BCS selection show, "most deserving" won out. It has continued to win ever since.

Debating on whether there should be a rematch is fruitless. It's a red herring. Decide on whether you want to see the best two teams or the most deserving two teams, and then argue over who they are. We won't know who those teams will be until the end of the regular season, and of course there will probably be some ambiguity there.

Ruling out a second round of LSU-Alabama and calling for a second round of LSU-Alabama are on equal footing right now. Doing either makes no sense at present, and that condition could continue past the end of Saturday's game.

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How do Michigan being the better team in 2006

And UF being chosen over them show that most deserving won out?

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Nov 3, 2011 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know,

but Florida beating Ohio State and Michigan losing to Southern Cal in the post-season sure helped. Although, for Michigan, the Rose Bowl may have been viewed the same way Alabama viewed the Sugar Bowl vs Utah(a game that didn’t matter).

- FOW

by skandrewj62j on Nov 3, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's ex post analysis

and simply won’t cut mustard.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Nov 4, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Michigan was the “best” team based on the eye test, style points, etc. Florida was the “most deserving” team based on having won the nation’s toughest conference.

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by Year2 on Nov 3, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Without a doubt on October 25, 2007, the Boston College Eagles were better than the Virginia Tech Hokies. 14-10.

BC was 8-0 after the game and VT was 6-2. I don’t think there was really a doubt at the time.

Yes, VT won the rematch and it can be said they were the best ACC team that year, but not on 10/25/2007.

I kind of like your logic, though. Based on your way of thinking, Bama could be going for a 4-peat this year and we could add a couple of more titles! :)

by Bryant Denny on Nov 3, 2011 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Not really

VT’s first loss was to LSU, who was far and away better than any team BC had played to that point. VT’s second loss was sketchy as all get out and in a game in which it looked demonstrably better than BC did. Records and final scores alone are not sufficient for determining who is the better of two teams. That was the whole point of the piece.

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by Year2 on Nov 3, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I’m guessing the BC fans partied like they were the better team that night…after the ACC title game, not so much.

Also, VT got destroyed by LSU 48-7 or so, so that doesn’t really help to argue they were better.

I hope you don’t take my comments the wrong way. I really like your write-ups. Have a good day.

by Bryant Denny on Nov 3, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m also not in a favor of a rematch of this game…regardless of who wins…with one exception major exception…

For example, I would hate to see a one loss Oklahoma team get back into the discussion with their ugly loss to TT. If OK State or Stanford run the table, I think they deserve a shot versus a Bama-LSU rematch.

If fans want a rematch, then the LOSER of Saturday’s game should go to the SECCG and then if they win again they go to the title game. :)

by Bryant Denny on Nov 3, 2011 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

So what you’re saying is that you’d be in favor of a rematch in certain situations, but not in others.

…which is pretty much what I said above. We agree on that point; it just comes down to where you draw those lines.

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by Year2 on Nov 3, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much...

I’m just saying the loser doesn’t automatically deserve a pass to the title game – no matter if it’s Bama.

by Bryant Denny on Nov 3, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t expect anyone but the most rabid fans of the losing team, and perhaps pot-stirrers like Finebaum, to try to make that case.

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by Year2 on Nov 3, 2011 6:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The only case in which there should be a rematch

Is if there’s no other team with an equal record, i.e. no other 1 loss teams. I guess you could say I fall on the side of the two most deserving teams. I didn’t like a big 10 rematch in ‘06 and I don’t want one now. I consider ’96 to be a little different because it was 2 ooc foes. They have their chance on Saturday, let the loser depart.

by Mark Mandingo on Nov 3, 2011 11:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

The Perfect Argument

AGAINST a college football playoff.

Thank you.

Awww. c'mon girl.

by SmoovP on Nov 3, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Not really

A playoff would drastically increase the set of games played between who we suspect are the best teams. In any given year, that set is disappointingly small; having LSU play both Oregon and Alabama is an veritable embarrassment of riches this season.

We need as many games between the top teams as possible, and a playoff at the end of the year is a great way to increase that number.

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by Year2 on Nov 3, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except that a playoff dramatically increases the number of games ...

… in which the best or most deserving team might not win. And in the process take out a better or more deserving team.

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by cocknfire on Nov 3, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter.

2007 firmly established that in the current BCS system, if you don’t win your conference then you do not get to play for the national title.

by Hobnail_Boot on Nov 3, 2011 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with that line of thinking.

If you didn’t do what you needed to do to win the conference then you shouldn’t get a shot at the national title in the type of system we have.

by AllTideUp on Nov 4, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm never in favor of rematches unless there is some sort of playoff style system that demands it.

Such would be the case in a conference championship game or a national playoff where multiple teams from the same conference are admitted.

The best team doesn’t always win, but it is always the best team’s responsibility to win. If they don’t then they have no one to blame but themselves. Whether one likes the BCS or not, it does work the same way for all AQ teams. The only real example of someone getting screwed that I can think of was the ’04 Auburn team. Situations like that are the best argument for a playoff.

by AllTideUp on Nov 4, 2011 1:16 AM EDT reply actions  

At some point "to the victor goes the spoils" has to come into play

Meaning, the team that won should receive some reward. I know lately (myself included) we have began measuring teams in entirely new ways. Ways that allow us to gauge which team performed better based on advanced metrics like those provided at Football Outsiders. However, if that is all that matters, we should cease keeping score at all. Let teams play their hearts out for 60 minutes, then let a computer decide who is the better team. The only way I’d say a rematch would be right would be in the situation where Boise (who has dominated their schedule on both sides of the ball) lost, and all the other major players lost twice, or lost so late that a team makes it in despite getting housed in their final game (I’m looking at you, Nebraska and Oklahoma).

There must be some reward for actually beating your opponent in round 1. Otherwise, there is a decreased incentive to actually attempt to show everything you have and win the game.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Nov 4, 2011 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

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