Slive: SEC Working on Schedule That Would Include Missouri
by cocknfire on Oct 27, 2011 2:32 PM EDT
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PrintWell, the one thing Big 12 interim commish Chuck Neinas, Georgia athletics director Greg McGarity and most of the impartial observers outside of the SEC and Columbia, Mo., seem to agree on, it's that the most likely scenario is for Missouri to join the conference in 2013 instead of in 2012. So, what would that mean? Well, it would first mean -- I'm sorry, Mike Slive, you wanted to say something?
Oh. I see. (HT: Eye on College Football)
Of course, there's still a lot of this realignment game to play out, from the Big 12 and Congressional warfare over Louisville and West Virginia to the slight technicality (which everyone seems to forget) that Missouri HAS NOT OFFICIALLY LEFT THE BIG 12 OR JOINED THE SEC YET.
But if Missouri joining the SEC for 2012 is off the table, no one's told Slive yet.
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Sweet
I don’t want to deal with a 13-team conference even for one year
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FIRE TONY LA RUSSA
Yeah
I don’t like adding Mizzou, but if we’re going to it, let’s do it now and get to 14.
I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!
by Mikethetiger on Oct 27, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Just to be clear
Y’all understand that there are absolutely no refunds or returns as to the acceptance of the Aggies into your conference. We don’t want to hear any buyer’s remorse when they try to stand in front of you the entire game or continue to sing fights about Texas while in your stadium.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Is that why Texas has no home field advantage?
My friend is the Bud Light distributor, I’m usually not able to stand by game time.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Clearly, Austin can't hold it's liquor
I don’t even remember the 1st half of every night game I ever went to in Athens, and I’ve got pictures showing me on my feet and screaming.
DawgSports/Falcaholic/Talkin' Chop
tea sips have long been jealous of our spirit. Nothing to see here.
And yes we’ll be standing. It is what we do.
And the Texas fight song does have a line about A&M, but no other school that I’m aware.
GIGEM
"Send the Yellowjackets to a watery grave"
is in the Alabama fight song. I think we’ll be OK.
Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer Give 'Em HELL Alabama!
by RoscoeOfAlabama on Oct 27, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn
I thought those idiots were the only group around that still had a non-conference foe listed in their fight song. F’ing Yellowjackets.
DawgSports/Falcaholic/Talkin' Chop
I'm more annoyed by the people who want to sit....
than the people who stand. This isn’t the NFL after all.
thank you
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 28, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
We've already got Arkansas...
and they’re still obsessed with Texas despite only playing y’all four times since they left the SWC. I think we’ll manage.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 28, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I've never heard of death by annoying Aggie
But, it could well happen.
My sister is an Aggie. I don’t like them joining the SEC because I don’t want to give y’all any in-road into east Texas and Houston recruiting hotbeds. I’m also slightly pissed off at the aggies for running away from their rivals and also because they made a commitment to the conference last year and now are not honoring their commitment. They have crucified Texas and the Longhorn Network claiming that is their reason, but in truth they turned down Texas 4 years ago when we asked them to join us in a regional network that was to be called the Lonestar Network. Their reason—they wanted an Aggie Network. So, we did ourdeal and they knew all about it, and now they claim it is unfair. Obviously, Texas fans are beyond p.o. at them. They made a $150M mistake and are running away to avoid owning their mistakes. Remember, their Athletic Program was $16M in the hole also. Bill Byrne is not a smart guy.
I’ve seen SEC posts saying the Aggies can compete in football with the top 5/6 programs, but they can’t even beat ARK so they are clearly going to be in the bottom 5/6 imo. If they don’t win 7 or 8 games their first two years they are toast with top recruits.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Arkansas is probably the third-best team in the SEC this year...
and that is third only to the two best teams in the country. I think you’re overstating your case a little here.
by FisheriesDawg on Oct 28, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see how A&M is running from their rivals?
They’ve said they are willing to keep playing Texas, but it seems Texas is the one who doesn’t want to play that game anymore. Outside of that, I don’t know that A&M has any other huge rivals in the Big 12.
They renewed their series with Arkansas last year and now that will become an annual conference game. They will pick up LSU every year and renew that old rivalry….trading LSU for some of the rivals in the Big 12 isn’t exactly stepping down in competition. I don’t get what A&M is supposed to be running from. Colorado and Nebraska have bolted and now Mizzou is leaving. What would they be running from?
And Loftin has made it clear that he said A&M was committed to the Big 12 "in its current form"
That was when Nebraska and Colorado were still in the conference
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
No, No, No
At that meeting NU, CU and Mizzou said they were not committed. Loftin said he was committed and ALLEGEDLY (per him and only him) he said he was committed to it “in the current form” . The current form at that meeting was that NU/CU and Mizzou were not committed. So, it makes no sense to say he was committed if he meant unless those three leave. They had just given pretty good indication they were leaving.
That is why all the remaining Big XII teams think he is a big fat liar. And they were so "committed’ going forward A&M lobbied for and received extra money out of the CU/NU exit fees for their “commitment.” LOL
Loftin should just tell the truth and say he changed his mind. But to act like he told everyone at that meeting he wasn’t committed to the Big XIi is bull. Do you really think all the other schools who were present at the meeting are wrong and he is right?
A&M has repeatedly said that part of the reason they are leaving is to get out from under Texas’ shadow. That is running away in my book. However, I think that is actually one of the valid reasons for them to leave because it is true. A&M has fixated on Texas and has always been second fiddle and has basically promoted that concept. They are a sefl-fulfilling prophecy of being 2nd fiddle. So, in one sense I think the SEC move will help them re-set their identity and maybe focus less on being number 2 to Texas and instead focus on their unique culture and interesting identity and being number 1 in what they offer. A&M is a unique experience and their alumni are a very loyal group which I do respect.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Let's not look at just this year
To be fair, look at the bigger picture and larger view. ARK is clearly the 6th or 7th ranked team in the conference overall going back a reasonable time-frame like 20 years.
While I disagree with a lot of OutKickTheCoverage.com….here is his take which is pretty accureate except his final opinion that aggies and tigers will thrive.
“After all, in an SEC championship game era that now spans nearly twenty years three schools have never been to the SEC title game: Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Ole Miss and three more schools have never won a title: Arkansas, Mississippi State, and South Carolina. (Arkansas has been three times while the other two schools have each been once).
Six schools have won titles, the so-called traditional powers of SEC football: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Florida and Tennessee, have won all 19 of the SEC titles and comprise 33 of the 38 total appearances."
http://outkickthecoverage.com/why-missouri-and-texas-am-football-will-thrive-in-the-sec.php
He claims Mizzou and A&M will thrive, then makes a factual argument that suggests they are doomed. But here is a quote from him with some stats
“After all, in an SEC championship game era that now spans nearly twenty years three schools have never been to the SEC title game: Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Ole Miss and three more schools have never won a title: Arkansas, Mississippi State, and South Carolina. (Arkansas has been three times while the other two schools have each been once).
Six schools have won titles, the so-called traditional powers of SEC football: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Florida and Tennessee, have won all 19 of the SEC titles and comprise 33 of the 38 total appearances."
So, we all know Mizzou is NOT in the upper six /seven (hell they are lucky to be top six in the Big XII). As to a&m, they have a chance, but it isn’t likely. I just don’t see them competing with the likes of the top 6 when they haven’t been able to do so in the Big XII either. Also, they have a great OL coming back next year, but no QB. If they lose their first year it is going to turn off recruits very quickly. As much as I ‘hate" the ags, they are my second team since they are the home state 2nd school and my family includes ags. I want to see them succeed, but I’m not optimistic on their chances.
Am I allowed to post a great UGA/anti FL pic here? I saw it on a friend’s facebook page.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
I don't know about Mizzou....
I think they will be akin to Arkansas and if Nebraska can put together some good teams with such little in-state talent then I don’t see why Missouri couldn’t do it either.
As for Arkansas, I don’t think you are giving them enough credit. It’s true that they haven’t won any conference titles yet although they’ve been to Atlanta 3 times. I can speak as a Bama fan that when we play Arkansas every year I know it’s going to be a tough game. We’ve blown them out 2 of the last 3 years, but that is atypical. They usually give us a great game just like they did last year up in Fayetteville. There is too much competition in the SEC for anyone to dominate. I don’t believe there has ever been an era in SEC history where the league was so shallow that 2 teams(example OU and Texas) were able to win the conference title pretty much every year. Bama dominated the 70s, but the rules have changed since then. Even then, that decade was pretty unique in SEC history.
As for A&M competing in the SEC, I don’t think they will struggle in the long run. Being the only SEC team in Texas is going to provide an advantage whether people see that or not. People forget that Florida was a ‘nobody’ until Steve Spurrier showed up. All of sudden, you had a coach who knew how to take advantage of all the local talent even though they were already competing with powerhouse programs in-state like FSU and Miami. Bear Bryant always said that Florida was a “sleeping giant” and that all they needed was a “coach who knew what he was doing.” Well, they finally found one. Florida is now a national power and has 3 national titles since Spurrier took over in 1990. They weren’t exactly relevant in the decades before that.
I don’t think A&M will be too different although I doubt that Mike Sherman is the man to lead them there. I’m not saying A&M is going to have 3 national titles in the next 20 years because those things are far too hard to predict, but I do think they will compete for titles.
A&M has a better chance than Mizzou
Next year they will a green QB and will be lacking on D. If they go over to the SEC and end up 6-6 or worse I doubt many top rannked Texas kids will be interested.
Aggie’s AD Byrne is moron. He blew the $150M tv deal, after having put their athletic dept. $16M in debt by borrowing from the school. He is terrible. So, unless Loftin gets rid of him I doubt that A&M is going to be competitve.
Mizzou is going to lose its Texas pipelines, so not sure what they will do.
NU is still playing with Texas kids, and the Big 10 is down this year. NU looked good against Sparty today.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
South Carolina was awful for most of its first decade in the SEC, the low point being an 0-11 season in ‘99. Now, whatever you want to say about results, the Gamecocks have pulled in nationally-sought in-state talent the last three years. (Which wasn’t always the case; those players went to Georgia on a regular basis as often as A.J. Green.) A couple of bad years does not destroy one’s chances with the recruits.
And how exactly do you agree with all of someone’s argument except the conclusions?
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
He sets out that A&M and Mizzou will thrive
And then he gives a bunch of examples and stats of why they won’t. I agree and enjoyed his stats….especially the 19 of 20 SEC champions are from the same 6 schools. Sure, it isn’t just two like Big XII, but in all fairness to the Big XII, Nebraska, Missouri and Colorado should have been better. They never manned up.
Mizzou doesn’t make any sense going to the SEC. They don’t travel well, their fan base is pretty immature and not at all commited. The St. Louis area has pro baseball and football, and so it just isn’t a committed football culture. I think SEC would have been better with WVu instead of Mizzou, but I guess SEC was tired of everyone bad mouthing your academics. Mizzou is clearly a good acadmic school. But, since you are a football conference WVu seems more logical.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
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