Missouri Application to SEC 'Inevitable and Imminent,' NYT Reports
by cocknfire on Oct 17, 2011 7:24 PM EDT
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PrintJust when things were starting to quiet down on the conference realignment front, we get the big bombshell. The New York Times is reporting tonight that a source with knowledge of the move says Missouri's application to become the SEC's 14th member is "inevitable and imminent." The Times is also reporting that Mizzou thinks it has the votes.
Missouri’s Board of Curators will meet on Thursday and Friday at the University of Missouri, Kansas City, where the process of withdrawing from the Big 12 and applying to the SEC is expected to begin. While expansion is not listed on the agenda, there is an private session scheduled Thursday afternoon and Friday morning. ...
While the interim Big 12 commissioner, Chuck Neinas, said last week that he expected Missouri to play in the league in 2012, it is possible that they could start play in the SEC as early as next year.
That takes care of one set of problems -- the logistical nightmare that would be a 13-game schedule, which leaks have characterized as one of the main reasons SEC presidents are now intent on finding a 14th team -- but adds another set of substantial hurdles, including how to integrate Missouri into the SEC without destroying either the Iron Bowl or the Thirdish Saturday in October.
As the Times notes, it also contradicts reports that Missouri would be staying put in 2012, though those reports were always slightly suspect because they came from an official that was likely to be kept out of the loop in regards to Missouri's plans. Of course, the Big 12 could have something to say about that if it holds out the threat of legal action the keep the Tigers around for one more year.
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What was wrong with the divisional alignment that Pro-Mizzou Blog posted?
The one that showed Missouri in the East? I mean, it’s not great, but we’re still preserving our traditional rivalries that are important and balancing division. I’d rather see FSU in the league, sure, but if it’s going to be Missouri, then put them in the East and we’re going to just have to get use to a long flight.
DawgSports/Falcaholic/Talkin' Chop
+1
"A man's character may be learned from the adjectives which he habitually uses in conversation." - Mark Twain
by Stu from Tuscaloosa on Oct 17, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
+2
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 17, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I would think the only person who would object would be Missouri
That would be several long flights for them each year
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On the other hand
they’d have a legit shot at Atlanta in their first season.
Oh, come on. Don't leave your uncle T-bag hangin'.
Not sure if serious
They lose three linemen on each side of the ball and eleven total starters from a team that has disappointed in 2011. Their 2012 East prospects are somewhat less than legit. Provided they find a quarterback, Florida should be the team to beat next season, while Tennessee might have the frontline talent to push them if they avoid injuries.
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by GwinnettGamecock on Oct 18, 2011 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
someone did the math, and the cumulative distance from Columbia, MO to the SEC East schools is only about 100 miles more than the cumulative distance to the West schools.
Gainesville and the other Columbia are a healthy distance, but so are Baton Rouge and College Station, (somewhat) ironically.
Oh, come on. Don't leave your uncle T-bag hangin'.
agreed
provided they got Arkansas as their cross-over rival, you could make the argument that entering the East would be fairly equal travel-wise, as Arkansas and Florida are really the only big differences. Vandy and Kentucky are the 2nd and 3rd closest schools to Missouri.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 17, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry
But I think the travel costs of the new kid on the block are a 6th order problem at best compared to the deletion of a cherished Southern Tradition TSIO. Besides, if they’re really that bent out of shape about it we could slice .05% of everyone’s cut and put it into a Mizzou travel fund, I’m sure that would offset the additional cost of their plane tickets etc.
"A man's character may be learned from the adjectives which he habitually uses in conversation." - Mark Twain
by Stu from Tuscaloosa on Oct 17, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
they will get a travel fund
It is called a check from the SEC totaling 17.3 million each year. If they can’t travel with that, oh well.
And that's at a minimum...
very good chance they’re going to be getting a lot more if we’re able to renegotiate our TV contract
believe me
we’ll take the East in a heartbeat.
by jschooltiger on Oct 18, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
BIG 12 South???
If the SEC is the most dominate league why are they grabbing 2 BIG12 teams during realignment? and this isn’t a slam just a question.
I think most people expect Texas A&M and Missouri to come into the SEC like S.C. and Arkansas
As middle class teams that will need some time to develop programs that can contend in their divisions year-in and year-out. (S.C. is still a ways from contending for the conference championship year-in and year-out.) Besides, just because you’re great doesn’t mean you can’t get better.
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
I've advocated it before, and I'll advocate it again...
… and it makes even more sense if we’re going to add another team from west of the current SEC footprint.
The 14-team SEC should drop divisional play.
If the SEC drops divisions, they could create 3 permanent rivals for every team and rotate the remaining conference games between the rest of the teams. It would work whether the SEC goes to a 9-game slate or remains at 8, and the teams with the two best conference records could face off in the SEC Championship Game regardless of physical location.
I love this idea
"A man's character may be learned from the adjectives which he habitually uses in conversation." - Mark Twain
by Stu from Tuscaloosa on Oct 17, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly think this could be an excellent plan
but we’d have to get a rule change
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 17, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking
Doesn’t the NCAA require divisions for a championship game?
DawgSports/Falcaholic/Talkin' Chop
yes the ncaa requires divisions
but you can keep “divisions” without keeping divisional play. It is all in the wording.
For example, a 3-team protected lineup could look like this:
Alabama – Auburn, Tennessee, Mississippi State
Arkansas – LSU, Missouri, Texas A&M
Auburn – Georgia, Alabama, Florida
Florida - Georgia, Auburn, LSU
Georgia – Florida, Auburn, South Carolina
Kentucky – Vanderbilt, Tennessee, South Carolina
LSU – Arkansas, Florida, Ole Miss
Mississippi State – Ole Miss, Alabama, Missouri
Missouri – Texas A&M, Arkansas, Mississippi State
Ole Miss – Mississippi State, LSU, Vanderbilt
South Carolina – Georgia, Kentucky, Texas A&M
Tennessee – Alabama, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Texas A&M – Missouri, Arkansas, South Carolina
Vanderbilt – Kentucky, Tennessee, Ole Miss
You could swap Tennessee in on Florida’s schedule for Auburn, but the Florida-Auburn rivalry has been played far more times than Florida-Tennessee.
by vineyarddawg on Oct 17, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think LSU's 3 protected would have to be
Bama, Florida, and A&M. We have alot more history with Aggie than we do with Arkansas, Bama is obvious, and Florida because we would need a team from the east.
Just sit down, shut up, and cheer. That's your job as a fan.
Everybody wants Alabama...
… and besides you’ll still have rotating games with everyone else in the SEC. You’d still play Bama and aTm regularly, just not every year.
Alabama has to have Auburn and Tennessee, and Miss. State is the closest school to them geographically, and that rivalry has been 94 times, starting in 1896.
by vineyarddawg on Oct 17, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Ole Miss was the old rivalry?
lose them entirely?
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 17, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Ole Miss hates LSU.
LSU really doesn’t care that much about Ole Miss.
But if Georgia has to take South Carolina, LSU has to take Ole Miss.
by vineyarddawg on Oct 17, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds fair to me
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 17, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait wait wait
Florida gets half of the “Big Six” in UGA, Auburn and LSU, but UT gets Bama, UK and Vandy?
I know a Vol scheme when I see one! I’m not sure why it’s coming from a Dawg, but never mind that.
Oh, come on. Don't leave your uncle T-bag hangin'.
It's not Tennessee's fault that their historical rivals suck.
And Georgia/Florida and Florida/Auburn are two of the oldest rivalries in the SEC. Florida/LSU wasn’t big before the advent of divisions, but it’s big now.
by vineyarddawg on Oct 17, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
As a Gator
I have no problem letting the Auburn rivalry die. I’d like to keep LSU, and UGA is a requirement, of course.
I say give Auburn to A&M (they’ll be pissed if they get none of the traditional big SEC schools), tell the Vols to pick one of Vandy/UK, and keep UT/UF.
Oh, come on. Don't leave your uncle T-bag hangin'.
by Troll2Troll on Oct 17, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure UT fans would be fine with that
but I’m a firm believer in letting every team have their biggest rivalry. I know we don’t care about Vandy, but taking away their Tennessee game? that’s just low
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 17, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
LSU has to take Ole Miss...
… Georgia has to take South Carolina, Tennessee has to take Vanderbilt and Kentucky, and Alabama has to take Mississippi State.
Everybody makes sacrifices.
by vineyarddawg on Oct 17, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
actually Miss. St. is no sacrifice for UA
We struggle to beat their ass every year and have recently lost some. I know, I was there. Ask Mike Shula if Miss St is a easy win.
by David Story on Oct 17, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
also, the longest active win streak is kinda cool
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 17, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I get that with Vandy...
in-state and all, but Kentucky? It’s not like they don’t have other sporting things to do.
I say we give Kentucky an ultimatum. If you want to keep your UT rivalry, you actually have to beat the “rival” once in a generation. That gives the Wildcats…this year in order to save their rivalry.
Good luck, Joker!
Oh, come on. Don't leave your uncle T-bag hangin'.
by Troll2Troll on Oct 17, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Kentucky is a bigger rival than Vandy, imo
they’re by far our biggest rival in basketball, and a lot of the basketball/football hate bleeds over
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 17, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Bas-ket-ball?
I don’t get it… some sort of sport?
"A man's character may be learned from the adjectives which he habitually uses in conversation." - Mark Twain
by Stu from Tuscaloosa on Oct 17, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe it's an old, old wooden ship.
It was used during the Civil War era.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLuK-EBkcww&feature=related
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by Troll2Troll on Oct 17, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you have to let Kentucky and Vandy have their biggest rivals
not our fault they suck
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 17, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
YOU AREN'T GETTING RID OF US THAT EASY.
I’m enjoying this rivalry very much these days. I will fight to keep it!
Oh, come on. Don't leave your uncle T-bag hangin'.
by Troll2Troll on Oct 17, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
also
take away Florida/LSU, let South Carolina the Spurrier Bowl, and give LSU a game with A&M, where they have more history and geography. sound better?
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 17, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I like it...
especially the part where we get to keep Vandy and UK every year.
Seriously though, it’s absurd that an 11-1 team can be kept out of the SEC Championship by an 8-4 team just because the other division sucked.
In regard's to South Carolina's protected three,
we have long cherished our rivalry with Ole Miss. Please to remove A&M.
Honest attitude towards SEC East in descending order of dislike:
1. Georgia: Second only to Clemson
2. Tennessee: One of the handful of teams that must lose to ensure my perfect Saturday
3. Florida: I don’t care for Muschamp, but feelings are an order of magnitude less than for the first two
4. Kentucky: A little of the basketball hate bleeds over, but not much
5. Vanderbilt: Complete hope-nobody-gets-hurt indifference.
I dislike Auburn more than Florida.
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by GwinnettGamecock on Oct 18, 2011 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
^This
Divisions are dumb. I just finished ranting about it. :P
(formerly Gregatron)
Respect the bucket, son.
by Eggplant Wizard on Oct 17, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
2 best records go to championship?
alternative would be to split divisions based on rivalry rather than geography
2 divisions of 7
6 in division games
1 annual cross division rivalries
2-3 rotating cross division games
total of 9-10 games
for example: auburn and alabama will be in different divisions but always play each other every year
same with mississippi and mississippi state
vanderbuilt and tennessee
georgia and florida
kentucky and south carolina
TAMU & Mizzou
then you match to maintain other rivalries within the same division
NCAA rules about Conference Championships
Posted so yall know:
17.9.5.1 Maximum Limitations—Institutional. [FBS/FCS] In bowl subdivision football, a member institution shall limit its total regular-season playing schedule with outside competition during the permissible football playing season in any one year to 12 contests … except as provided for all members under Bylaw 17.9.5.2
[ Rule 17.9.5.2 explains what exceptions are allowed in order to have more than 12 conference games per year ]
17.9.5.2 (part c) Twelve-Member Conference Championship Game. [FBS/FCS] A conference championship game between division champions of a member conference of 12 or more institutions that is divided into two divisions (of six or more institutions each), each of which conducts round-robin, regular-season competition among the members of that division
If you want to have 12 regular season games per yer plus a conference championship game, you MUST have divisions with round-robin play.
Unless you can convince the NCAA to change its rules.
Assumption is the mother of all @#%-ups.
As I said before...
… surely the NCAA couldn’t be persuaded to change its rules just on the basis of money?
(Please note the sarcasm font in which this is written.)
by vineyarddawg on Oct 18, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember that the NCAA is an organization of its members
The Big 12 would likely try to block this out of spite. You might get the Big Ten and the Pac-12. But I don’t see anyone else who’s going to be ready to help the SEC right now
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
the MAC is already breaking this rule
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 18, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
And as I responded in another post
Because someone is breaking one part of the rule doesn’t mean we should. And there’s a difference between breaking the scheduling part of the rule once you have divisions and breaking the part of the rule that requires divisions in the first place
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
all of this is true
was just pointing out the fact
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 18, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
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