SEC Out of Conference Scheduling
by brandond03 on Jul 13, 2010 9:20 PM EDT
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Each SEC team plays 4 out-of-conference (OoC) games, obvious I know, but all the other conferences consistently remark how all we play are cupcakes and for most teams that is true. 75% of OoC games for the teams are against cupcakes. However, all the teams this year except for Ole Miss (Jax, Tulane, Fresno St, & UL-Laf) play at least one strong team (LSU two).
I still agree with Steve Spurrier's statement that playing in the SEC is tough enough to justify the cupcakes and one strong OoC game. But the question is how many of this year's 48 games does the SEC need to win to keep people from complaining too loudly?
I figure at least 66% (32/48) have to be wins. Below are my predictions for this year's OoC games.
Bama: San Jose St, Penn St, @Duke, and Ga St, all wins
Ark: Tenn-Tech, Monroe, @Tex A&M, and UTEP, all wins
Aub: Ark St, Clemson, Monroe, and UT-Chat, 3 wins with possible loss to Clemson
LSU: UNC (neutral site), UWV, McNeese and Monroe, 3 wins with loss either to UNC or UWV
MSU: Memphis, Alcorn St, @Houston, UAB, 3 wins with loss coming at Houston
Ole Miss: Jax, @Tulane, Fresno St, UL-Laf, all wins
UF: Miami (OH), USF, App St, @FSU, all wins
UGA: Ul-Laf, @Colorado, Idaho St, GT, 3 wins with possible loss to GT
UK: @ Louisville, Akron, WKen, CharSo, 3 wins with possible loss to Louisville
USC: Southern Miss, Furman, Troy, @Clemson, 3 wins with possible loss to Clemson
UT: UT-Martin, Oregon, UAB, @Memphis, 3 wins with probable loss to Oregon
Vandy: Northwestern, @UConn, @EMich, Wake Forest, 2 wins with possible loss to NW and loss to WF
It is possible that the SEC could win a total of 37 (77%) of these games, especially if Clemson loses to both USC and Aub and Oregon is still recovering from its off-season drama.
Let me know what ya'll think.
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Bama should be embarrassed
Not only scheduling GaSt. but then moving the game up since that week spent on GaSt is so crucial to ensure planning and practicing to beat a team that’s NEVER PLAYED FOOTBALL before. Just pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
They were gracious enough
to play at Duke and play host to both San Jose State and Joe Pa’s Nittany Lions.
Playing PSU is pretty risky.
If they lose to Penn St, it will SCREW the entire SEC’s street cred.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
not to mention ruin the SEC's reputation
"JASON HEYWARD STRIKES AGAIN"
really?
With PSU on the schedule, plus UF at home and Arky/ LSU on the road…who exactly would you want us to schedule…
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
louisiana tech maybe?
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 14, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Cupcakes.
Man, those OoC schedules look weak! That is, until, you put them in the context of the full SEC schedule…
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I agree
SEC in conference play in and of itself makes the overall schedules plenty tough. If you can get some teams to come take their beating and $300k-plus and go home I can’t say that I would blame them or a team from the SEC scheduling the game.
Scheduling cupcakes is getting expensive.
I know USC is having to pay close to $1M for their upcoming cupcakes.
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by The Feathered Warrior on Jul 13, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
that is the only reason why the ncaa let the hawaii game happen. hawaii needed the one million dollars.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 5 weeks till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 1, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
It is perception that drives this...
but I agree with it because the perception that the SEC is both the strongest and most competitive conference is built on real solid numbers: SEC recruiting dominance. This trumps any other argument—head to head conference record, bowl match-up record, gut feeling, ect. Until this trend changes, the perception will continue—really should continue and would not be fair if it stopped. For example, going by ESPN 150 numbers, adding the 2011 verbals to date and then back to the 2006 signed recruits: 1)(SEC) Fl.=64, Ga.=45, LSU=39, Ala.=35, Aub.=21, Tenn.=20, SC=19, Miss=10, Ark=8, Miss St.=6, Kent=4, Vand=1;
2)(Big-12) Tex=57, Okl.=33, A&M=10, Okl. St.= 8, Neb.=5, Col.=5, Miss.=3, Baylor=3, K St.=1, 0 for Tex Tech, Iowa St., and Kansas;
3)(Pac-10) SC=46, UCLA=17, Ore=9, Cal=7, Stand=7, Ariz=4, Ariz St.=3, Wash=4, Ore St.=0, Wash St=0;
4)(Big-10) Ohio St.=32, Mich=22, Penn St.=17, Illin.=8, Wisc=6, Iowa=5, Mich St.=5, Minn=3, 0 for Ind., Purdue, and NU;
5)(ACC) Mia=35, Fl. St.=32, Clem=28, NC=17, Maryland=7, Vir Tech=6, GT=3, Vir=3, NC St.=3, WF=1, BC=0, Duke=0
The SEC goes six deep for teams with at least 20 and the bottom half of the conference is competitive if not equal to the top half of the other respective conferences—of course taking out teams at the top (Tex, Okl, SC, Ohio St., Mia, Fl. St., and Clemson) that are so far ahead of the rest; the ACC and Big 10 are more balanced at the top but fall far behind in the bottom half. The Pac-10 and Big-12 numbers are eye opening in showing the gap between the two top teams and the rest of the conference. Texas’ schedule for example is ridiculous— http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=251— NC games: Rice, Fl. Atlantic, and Wyoming plus the conference schedule—UCLA does help a little. Not a lot of ESPN 150 players on the opposing teams—not even close to any SEC team’s schedule—cupcakes or not. If they don’t go undefeated, it certainly has to be a disappointment; if they lose two, then people should be very angry. SC schedule is no different— http://www.usctrojans.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/usc-m-footbl-sched.html— not a lot of ESPN 150 players on those opposing teams either. I know that having these players does not guarantee victory—we (LSU) almost and probably should have lost to Troy, Alabama lost to Utah, SC has the one hiccup every year, and Texas lost to Kansas St. recently, etc.—but again the perception has strong legs with real recruiting numbers.
This only true...
if you put stock in the recruiting numbers.
The ESPN 150 is a joke.
It doesn’t matter how many football games the SEC wins. We will always look down on you.
What do you go by to determine SOS for a team?
I see the quote above, but you show no allegiance to a team (We?) or conference (We?)—just a SEC hater? Every team that has played in the national championship game going back to 06 has been in the top ten of The ESPN 150 class rankings over that time frame. Texas, Oklahoma, and USC have a lot more talent going by ESPN numbers going back to 06 and they have repectively dominatied their conferences for a decade—where is the joke? You say it is a joke, but this is just your opinion: where is your proof it is a joke. You honestly are saying you would not want these players on your team if your team (?) could get them. Is there another recruiting service you put more faith in? If you do not go by recruiting in determining a teams SOS, aside from returning experience, what do you go by to determine SOS for teams?
On another SEC blog they said the Sunbelt is weak and they are. Why would you call them the weakest
when the SEC plays them all the time in their ooc schedule? I’m pretty sure one or two teams in the SEC have played two teams from the sunbelt conference in the same season?
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 5 weeks till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 1, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot of SEC teams also play FCS teams
That doesn’t mean those teams are strong. I don’t like the fact that the SEC schedules so many Sun Belt teams, but I think that gives us enough knowledge of them to guarantee you that they are the worst conference in the FBS. Some of the teams probably should be FCS teams.
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
They add southern illinios in 2011.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 1 month till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 1, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
what difference does it make?
the southern conference will still be stronger
"JASON HEYWARD STRIKES AGAIN"
i was stating it as fact. not to make the conference look better.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 1 month till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 3, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just making a point that even though
they add SIU next year the sunbelt still will be a FCS caliber conference as cocknfire said earlier
"JASON HEYWARD STRIKES AGAIN"
then you must think the sec should play a better ooc schedule then the sunbelt correct?
some teams in the sec play the sunbelt twice a year. i have not checked the schedule this year but in past years a couple of teams have played the sunbelt twice.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 1 month till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 4, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
yes I don't know who though
the sunbelt is fine for testing a team in the season opener to see how good a certain team could be
"JASON HEYWARD STRIKES AGAIN"
Most of the people complaining...
Don’t have much of a leg to stand on. Most of the complaining I hear comes from the Big 10, but Big 10 OoC schedules are exactly as soft as our’s. Exactly.
Which Big 10 is that again?
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by The Feathered Warrior on Jul 13, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Call me a homer, whatever..
But since when is Fresno State considered a cupcake? Haven’t they been pretty consistently good for a while now?
by ARebel21 on Jul 13, 2010 11:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Don't be seduced by Pat Hill's mustache
Fresno St. does talk a big game and really will take on anyone anywhere. and that’s very admirable. But there is a reason the Pac-10 decided to poach utah instead. Fresno just doesn’t back it up with wins.
They are no push over to be sure, but they never get that upset that you think they will. And they’ve been second fiddle to Boise for a while now.
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Fresno State = Southern Miss of the Pacific coast
They each talk themselves up, but still lose most of their games against BCS conference competition. They oftentimes play BCS teams in close contests and have snagged a few wins over the past several seasons, but they’re pretty average overall.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jul 14, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Fresno's hard to classify.
For one thing, they’re not a BCS school… and there are very few non-BCS schools that aren’t cupcakes. The ones that have moved past cupcake status have done so by participating in a BCS bowl game, which is something Fresno hasn’t even sniffed.
While they’re definitely not Tennessee Tech, they’re not really above say, Wake Forrest, UConn, or even Louisville, either.
You’re not likely to get much credit for beating them, but you’ll take a ton of crap if you lay an egg against them.
Gotcha..
And considering our past luck, we’ll catch them on one of their best season in years like we got with Mizzou and Wake in the recent past.
That being said, I am really looking forward to the game. Next year our non-con gets really tough, if I’m remembering correctly and we get Texas along with Boise state in 2012.
by ARebel21 on Jul 14, 2010 4:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Boise and Fresno (in Fresno) in 2011.
Texas and Fresno (again, in Oxford – yes, three games) in 2012. I’m pretty sure that’s the deal.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jul 14, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The big wins of the early 2000s aren't happening much any more
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
no offense to Auburn but I hope that UT-Chatt. wins
they’re my home town team
...in dixie land i'll take my stand to root for Atlanta
thank you
thank you very much
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Vandy could go 1-3...
I think UCONN has a good chance of beating Vandy. In fact, they may be favored in that game.
It doesn’t matter how many football games the SEC wins. We will always look down on you.
especially now.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Does anyone agree
that at least 32 games is a good number or does the SEC need to win more than that?
More
Ideally, without over analyzing things, you mark all the cupcakes as wins and half the tougher games as wins. It’s somewhat subjective which games are the gimmies and which are the tests, but I see the number being a lot closer to 40.
BCS vs FBS
I would like to see he NCAA adopt a rule that games against FBS (formerly Div 1AA) teams are neutral. They are allowed but cannot be counted as wins in the ranking or records. After all for the most part they are no better than scrimmage games.
Some of them 1-AA schools...
are just as good as middle of the pack major conference teams. There is a top twenty five for those teams also and for the most part it is no joke to play them—no scrimmage, but a real game your are at risk at. http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15641 They have a tradition of winning also and are not intimidated to play you at your house and expect to win. Ask Virginia what they thought about William and Mary last year, or Minnesota if they thought South Dakota St. was a pushover last year. Jacksonville St. gave Fl. St. all they wanted last year, and of course Michigan lost to App St. for the best example. I do not think it is so easy to just say all the teams are an easy win.
I think you could fix some things with a slightly altered rule
Any one game against an FCS team has to be offset with a game against a BCS school.
OR
Any two games against mid-major schools have to be offset with a game against a BCS school.
So you could play a game against an FCS school and two games against mid-majors, but you would have to schedule a BCS school as one of the other games. That way, it keeps teams from responding to the first part of the rule or an FCS ban by scheduling four Sun Belt teams.
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
Won't happen. There are 35 bowl games and only 119 available to go. (usc ineligible)
They need every 6 win team to goto a bowl. that means 70 teams have to have 6 wins unless the ncaa wants 5-7 teams to goto bowl games. it might happen anyway. my guess is one other bowl game will disappear like the international bowl.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 5 weeks till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 1, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
If I was Vandy..
I would strangle whoever is doing scheduling…they have to play Sec teams who have more depth and quality players then play wake, Northwestern & uconn? If i was vandy, I would play an away game every year in hawaii that was preceded by a bye week , and mix in some teams I could almost gurantee 2 wins a year for sure with the hawaii game as well.
vandy i believe lost to army. that should have been a win.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 5 weeks till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 1, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Look at all the National Championships the SEC has brought home
And then try to tell me with a straight face that the teams should change their scheduling. There’s just no incentive. We think the SEC gauntlet is challenging enough to give us the ranking if we do well and schedule 1 decent OOC opponent, and the polls agree.
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