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SEC 2010 // The Rivalries: South Carolina vs. Clempson ... er, Clemson

OVERALL RECORD: Clemson, 38-65-4
LAST 10 GAMES: Clemson, 7-3
STREAK: South Carolina, 1

I hate to admit that this is South Carolina's biggest rivalry. But I only have one vote in these things, and if I had to choose I'd probably still go with Clemson. (Which is pronounced Clempson. Do not ask why. Suffice it to say, English isn't their strongest suit in the Upstate -- nor are any of the other academic subjects, for that matter.)

Star-divide

It would be easy to write some of the losses by South Carolina off to the fact that Clemson hasn't always followed the NCAA's salary cap illegal benefits rules. And it would also be able to write off one loss in particular during which referees apparently believed that only throwing a defensive back 50 yards would be considered offensive pass interference.

But instead, I'll just say that Clemson has often proven to be the better team. And 34-17. 34-17. And, yes, 34-17.

Because the truth is that South Carolina fans and Clemson fans want to defeat each other at everything. Heck, I want to defeat Clemson at water polo, and we don't even play water polo. Clemson fans, who still consider their team a nationally relevant powerhouse, often view the game as a consolation prize after their national title dream have died, usually some time in September.

The depth of the rivalry can best be illustrated by two fights. One, in 1902, resulted from a Clemson loss and the refusal by Gamecocks fans to stop parading around with a picture of a Gamecock defeating a Tiger. (This is actually the origin of the Gamecock as South Carolina's mascot.) The result?

Having lost the game and gotten, at best, a tie in the street brawling, the next night the Clemson cadets with guns and bayonets charged the campus wall behind which the outnumbered Carolinians crouched with makeshift weapons and a few shotguns and pistols. A Carolina assistant coach, Christie Benet, backed up by a loaded pistol, mounted the wall, offered to fight any two Clemson Tigers and urged both sides to arbitrate.

The picture was eventually burned.

You've likely heard about the other fight.

It's not what the rivalry should be about, but it's one of the most memorable moments in its history. And it's one of the ugliest things I've ever seen.

Even if Clemson did start it.

vs. GEORGIA
While the Clemson game is perhaps the biggest rivalry in the overall sense of the word, the biggest rivalry in sense of the impact of the game on the season is usually the Georgia game. Last year was one of the few times that the team that won did not do dramatically better than the team that lost, particuarly related to its expectations. (Both were 7-5 in the regular season; Georgia defeated a mediocre Texas A&M in its bowl while South Carolina lost to an underrated Connecticut.) This is also one of the games I personally get most emotional about; a loss to Georgia often renders me unable to say a word about football for several hours, because what follows tends to be an incoherent string of words, like "KICK! A FEW YARDS! [DELETED]!" And the losses, unfortunately, are far more often than the wins. (Georgia is 45-14-2 all-time in the series.)

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Haha

I love how you accuse of illegal benefits when your whole team was on steroids in the 80s and still only beat us twice during the whole decade. This is the most sour grapes post I’ve ever seen. Congratulations on winning one game. :-p

I love how you accuse us of starting a brawl when you guys were trying to get at our players from the bottom of the Hill. Syvelle Newton: class personified.

It figures that a South Carolina fan would start a site dedicated to the SEC, since association with it is the only thing that’s made your program relevant in 100+ years.

by OrangeBritches on Jun 25, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry to let perception smack you in the face, but, just off the top of my head, here’s what I know about the two, and I’m not even an SC fan (as for the ACC, pshhhhh):

1. USC has a Heisman winner and Clemson has none;
2. Spurrier is the ‘Cock coach, while Clemson is coached by a middling-level coordinator;
3. The Gamecocks generally don’t have over-hyped preseason expectations, but occasionally exceed them, while Clemson comes in with ACC love and then is promptly eliminated from the national consciousness within two weeks.
4. USC is the state’s flagship university, while Clemson is a Carolinian Auburn; surely a great gig if you are into animal husbandry and/or meth manufacture
5. While Clemson is losing to the Wake Forests of the world, and getting demolished by SEC squads, USC is fighting tooth and nail against the Georgia and Floridas of the world.

I’m sure I forgot a few things, but perception is reality….

"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"

by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 25, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not sure how admitting you would like to win a game more than you have is sour grapes ...

In fact, it seems to me that would be the opposite of sour grapes. But I digress.

The post was meant to be whimsical, nothing else.

Oh, and I founded the South Carolina site on SB Nation before moving over to start up this site when we started doing conference sites. And I still contribute over at Garnet and Black Attack when time allows.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Jun 26, 2010 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can't resist

Ah yes, the South Carolina-Georgia rivalry. The battle to see who gets to potentially tie Tennessee for second in the SEC East.

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by Year2 on Jun 25, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Which makes the 2007 outcomes

all the more amusing, for all teams involved.

by D.N. Nation on Jun 25, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha.

Dum spiro spero - "While I breathe, I hope"
State motto of South Carolina

by The Feathered Warrior on Jun 26, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

national title dream have died, usually some time invariably in September.

corrected

"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"

by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 25, 2010 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

beating your arch-rival at the CWS

on national TV, allowing you to advance to the national championship, sending the packing and beating them twice I might say just like in 2002…………………….priceless!

USC Gamecocks Sports Analysis and Insight
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by Flounder on Jun 26, 2010 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

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