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by cocknfire on Apr 15, 2010 12:46 AM EDT
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Alabama fans are getting incredibly defensive about the simple facts, which are: The entire SEC schedule is being thrown into doubt by THEIR school's whining about the fact that the Tide will play so many games against teams who have a bye the previous week. Somehow, simply pointing that out is "boo hoo, Alabama doesn't want to play so many teams with a bye, wah wah." The problem is being fixed for future years. My (mostly joking) point in the Sprints that's referenced in Todd's post was that it's certainly not helping the SEC's case that it's not pro-Alabama by changing several other teams' schedules around to help one team.
I guess my return question to Alabama fans would be this: If your team's so great, what are you so worried about? Just play the games as they're scheduled, and shut up.
That was really too easy
Bruce Pearl looks to have "won" a debate against ESPN's Skip Bayless. This isn't hard -- Bayless has lost debates to Chad Ochocinco -- but the best line was in a discussion about whether the NCAA tournament is better than the NBA playoffs.
"Let me ask you a question. How many bracketologists are there that fill out their NBA brackets?" Pearl countered. "How many guys take off the weekend from work just to watch the opening round?"
Bayless then used one of his classic debate techniques: Trying to prove his point with one anecdote that shows nothing other than there was once a mistake. (His other usual tactic is to give someone a ridiculous nickname and then build a terrible one-liner behind it, at which point Bayless leans back smugly in his chair and acts like he's delivered some undeniable logic bomb. The guest usually sits stunned by the inanity.)
Maybe he didn't knock on wood
April 13, 7:13 p.m.: "Are the Diamond Dogs Getting Better?" -- Dawg Sports
April 14, 11:18 p.m.:
Tech routed Georgia 25-6 at Foley Field, unmercifully pounding a parade of 10 Bulldogs pitchers.
In 348 previous games between the arch-rivals in a series that dates to 1898, Tech's largest margin of victory was 17 runs -- 21-4 in 1998 in Atlanta.
-- Atlanta Journal-Constitution
We should have boycotted until they undo the awful name change
The SEC will send a team to the Game Formerly Known as the Peach Bowl through 2013.
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Alabama fans just shut up....from a SEC BLOG...I am just confused by this.
Not that you would care (obviously) It may be time for this Alabama fan to unsubscribe.
8 or 13 It's more than your school. You can call Bama's fans what you want while your thinking of the national title.
I would care, and I'm sorry that you feel that way
I haven’t unsubscribed from RBR despite differing with Todd
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
was that it's certainly not helping the SEC's case that it's not pro-Alabama by changing several other teams' schedules around to help one team.
As someone pointed on in the comments of Todd’s rebuttal, what happened to the “pro-bama” preferential treatment from 2000-2007? Anyone with no dog in the fight can give you an unbiased view that the disparity from UA to anyone else in the conference on the byes before sec games in ridiculous. If we were losing, no one would make a fuss about us bringing up the obvious. However, since we are currently in a state of total domination perhaps you should listen to your advice. I think we did just PLAY THE GAMES WE WERE SCHEDULED last year and it looks like we shut up THE SEC.
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on Apr 15, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Then why won't you SHUT UP?
And play the games, to use your own words.
This wouldn’t be an issue if Alabama wasn’t asking for games to be moved.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Nor would it be an issue if the schedule had been fair to start with
Then nobody would need to whine. But I have more compassion for people who agitate for fair scheduling than for those who oppose it.
University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens
Todd manages a BAMA blog. You help manage a SEC BLOG.
The SEC includes Alabama.
I understand hate. I'm a Alabama fan.
Pathetic article.
Our team may be good or great, but it still takes a lot of things going right to win a championship. Why should we be stuck playing against a stacked deck?
Oh, right. To cow tow to the retarded conspiracy theorists that think the SEC rigs games for Alabama. Brilliant. Letting them dictate what the SEC does is soo “media savvy”.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
I prefer to boot cows until parking payments are made.
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by Holly Anderson on Apr 15, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Riiiight...it was all the OTHER schools that made this an issue...sure...
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
yes
and still is. See above posts for verification.
University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens
Really?
So Alabama didn’t start this by asking for the schedule change in the first place?
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
one question
Do you believe the request is unjustified?
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
I don’t believe in change schedules to accommodate ONE team. Any team, in any given season can complain about their schedule.
Fix whatever flaw in the scheduling formula allowed the problem to happen in the first place.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
So you believe
that the issue is with when Alabama got the shaft and not that they got the shaft. There’s no argument that Alabama got screwed, only that no one else should have to lose their advantage over Alabama over it. Am I understanding that correctly?
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
No
the issue is that people are mad that Alabama is winning and yet they still desire a fair schedule. Any other team would be (rightfully) indignant if they had to face HALF their opponents following a bye week.
by billycthulhu on Apr 15, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
So six other teams should rearrange their schedules
To help Alabama out? How is that fair?
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Um, because it’s a level playing field? How is that NOT fair? Oh, because then your team loses the unfair advantage. Never mind, I thought you meant fair for everybody.
University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens
technically, his team
doesn’t lose the advantage, as he’s an LSU fan and Alabama has a bye before that game, which nullifes the advantage.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, that's worse
We should schedule something for that bye week so that we aren’t rested. That will be fair, then.
University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens
Its fair because
Alabama originally signed off on the schedule and is just now complaining about it. This should have been dealt with 2 years ago when the schedule was created. How is it fair that Alabama now comes back and asks SC to change their bye when SC has been fighting for years to get a mid-season bye? SC finally gets one, and Alabama wants to move it.
by Charlestowne on Apr 18, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Where are you getting six?
Only two teams have to adjust their schedule.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
But 6 teams did not have to rearrange their schedule
People looking to buy a house look at several options, but Equifax is smart enough to know that all those credit checks aren’t coming in because they’re going to buy 10 houses.
by billycthulhu on Apr 15, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
We don't expect the teams to want to do it
Why would anyone want to give up an advantage? That’s not the point. The point is that we’ve been vilified for sticking up for our team.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Because in sticking up for your team
You are asking for concessions from others. If all you were doing is whining on the internet, that’d be one thing. But you got the league office involved.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
How dare we go to the league office to fix a broken schedule!
The league office is obviously just there to look pretty and fix calls for Florida and Alabama
by billycthulhu on Apr 15, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Life's a bitch
A lot of teams have shit schedules sometimes. Will Alabama be so accommodating to help those teams in the future? I doubt it.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The schedule is wrong
The league has the ability to make it right. It’s not Alabama’s fault that it’s like it is. If you want to get pissed that two other SEC teams might have to take a bye one week earlier, then you should be blaming the SEC, not Alabama.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow Billy you really should not join a debate team.
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on Apr 15, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
but not all six would have to change their schedule
the two that agreed would change and the other four would remain unchanged.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Again, why should anybody?
Would Alabama move a game around so that another team could have a bye week in the middle of a 4 or 5 game stretch? Doubtful, and frankly I wouldn’t ask.
Your schedule is your schedule. Deal.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
We have dealt
and it’s causing other SEC fan bases to whine about it. We are dealing with our schedule. If nothing changes, will we still play this schedule? Of course we will. That’s dealing.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Complaining to the league office is how you deal?
Again, we’re back to the whining.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Asking the league to fix it
Characterize it however you want, but we saw a disadvantage that no else comes even close to having to manage, and we addressed it. If you’re AD didn’t do that, they wouldn’t be doing their job.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
So then why are you upset
That other AD’s are doing their job and refusing to help you?
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Where do you get that
we’re upset about it? I understand why they would refuse, just as I understand why we wouldn’t just say “thank you sir, may I have another?”
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Where do you get
That I’m are saying that you can’t complain. I’m saying you can’t expect the rest of us to help you out.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I was of the impression
you were defending the point of this post, which is that Bama fans should stop complaining about the schedule.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I take it
To mean exactly what I’ve been saying: some team has a shitty schedule in any given season. Only one has actually asked the rest of the league to change to accommodate.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
What was the last team to face 6 opponents coming off byes?
by billycthulhu on Apr 15, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
In this schedule cycle ...
No team has done it. The closest was Alabama with five last season. No team other than Alabama has faced more than two in a season. Alabama has averaged more than four over the past four schedules.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well lets see here the SEC league office agreed with us on the issue.
Every AD in the conference agreed on the issue.
Billy the Internet Moron disagress.
Whose opinion should I hold more weight too? lol
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on Apr 15, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
wow you are pathetic........
at least be somewhat informed before making an argument……..this has not just been going on for one year………this has been happening for the last decade and we have tried to fix it……..it is just now that the league office finally has listened and taken notice to the obviously unfair scheduling…….anyone who looks at the numbers and thinks that the scheduling is anything close to fair is either a moron or a liar………maybe you are just so afraid of this happening because deep in your corndog heart you know that giving Alabama a level playing field would mean that your team would never have a chance to win an SEC Championship ever again……….
Not at all
I believe that if we’re going to start moving schedules around to accommodate one team, where’s that stop?
Some years, some teams have bum schedules and other years, they have favorable ones. Consecutive weeks, home/road splits, bye week location, etc…Nobody else asks the rest of the league to change their schedules.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
And I would add
Alabama’s not getting “the shaft” anymore then any other team who’s ever had a horrible road slate, or 11 or 12 straight weeks of games, or what have you. And sure, teams complain…but they’ve never asked the league office to actually change
other teams’ schedulesto accommodate them.
Schedule imbalances are a part of life. Deal with it.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
There's a major difference between imbalance...
and just outright bad scheduling. Alabama faces six teams off a bye. The next closest is LSU with ONE. Imbalance would be three to one. Not six times as many as any another team.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Difference is in the eye of the beholder
I don’t think there’s any difference between your scheduling gripe and any others. Some teams go 3-4 weeks without home games, some face every ranked team on their schedule on the road.
Life’s a bitch. Deal.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
We found a way to deal
now everyone else is complaining about it
by billycthulhu on Apr 15, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Because it asks other teams to inconvenience themselves.
Why should anybody do that?
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Does that make sense to you?
“Don’t complain about your inconvenience. It’s inconvenient for us.”
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh you're free to complain
But why should we inconvenience ourselves to get you out of it? Its your problem. Why should we make it ours?
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
You've been inconvenienced?
Oh, gee, that’s too bad. I guess your schedule is just going to be your schedule. Deal with it.
by billycthulhu on Apr 15, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait ...
are you suggesting other teams “deal” with a schedule change? Preposterous.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Are we free to complain?
The issue on this post at least isn’t that Alabama got a raw deal, it’s that we’re complaining about it.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
You're trying to turn the debate
Into just being about complaining. When you’re actually asking the league office to do something about it, that goes a little bit beyond “complaining.”
Saying “hey we have a shit schedule” is one thing. Do that all you want. It happens. Happened to LSU before, it’ll happen again. Sucks, but hey that’s life.
But once you’ve asked the league office to intervene you’re making your problem other peoples’ problem.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
You have a point
See, when Alabama runs into a problem, they don’t just sit and whine, they DO SOMETHING about it
by billycthulhu on Apr 15, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
That's contradictory
You’re saying Alabama should just take what they are given by the SEC, so that other teams won’t have to take what they are given by the SEC, and the only thing that is different is the date on which it happens.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
No its not
I’m saying its not the SEC’s job to help one team out.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but it is the SEC's job
to make sure the schedules don’t treat one team unfairly. Can’t be made perfect, but when the scheduling is this egregious it IS the SEC’s job to fix it, and the job of other fans to whine about it.
University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens
You're right.
It’s the SEC’s job to be fair to ALL teams to the best of their ability. Six times as many rested opponents as anyone else is not fair.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Nor is
Any of the other scheduling imbalances that happen to any other team in any other given year. The SEC’s never seen it fit to fix those in the past, I see no reason to start now.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course you don’t, it isn’t unfair to your team. Of course, other teams haven’t has as much to be concerned about with the lack of fairness in their schedule and so the SEC hasn’t needed to correct those schedules. Why are so so worried about Alabama having a level playing field? Or do I need to ask?
University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens
It's a matter of tolerances
No schedule can be perfect, but there is such a thing as moderation. Six to one is not even close to moderation.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Nor is
Any other scheduling imbalance.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No.......
this has never happened to LSU……ever…….if you had any clue you would realize that………LSU has never had to face, for a decade, a schedule that ALWAYS includes 5 or 6 teams coming off of their bye week……..again, this is not a one year bad schedule – we ARE dealing with it – we just won the National Championship……..by being undefeated by the way, not throwing up on ourselves and losing to Arkansas in the last week of the season and then getting lucky that RR and WVU are huge choke artists to get our loser of a team into the NCG………by involving the league office, we ensure that the next ten year schedule (which will be set this year, just so you know, so you will actually have some information though I know you don’t set much stock by “facts”) will be fair and equitable for every team in the SEC……..doesn’t much matter, we will still wipe the floor with your little tigers in that dumphole you call a college town later this year…………
How is it our problem.
It’s other school’s scheduling that caused the problem. Alabama had no control over it.
Thank you for proving my point.
it’s not Bama fans whining about the schedule, it’s opponents whining about being forced to play it fair. And we all know why.
University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens
LOL
So if Alabama had never approached the league office about this problem we’d still be having the debate? Riiiight…
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
We would because we have
Other blogs and MMS brought it up last season before the AD went to the league and rival programs called it whining, then, too.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the point
Your AD saw fit to go to the league and rival programs. You know what other AD’s have done in the past when they got shitty schedules? They said “well this sucks” and played the games anyway because why should the SEC help ONE team out?
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This is just a personal difference
since I have little tolerance for folks who complain about something but won’t actually do anything about the problem. I don’t actually expect any program to help, but for the same reason I don’t think they would, you would think they would respect why Alabama is doing this. Everyone is taking care of their own interests.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
So why can't CocknFire
Point out that the SEC has no business accommodating the interests of one program over the other 11? Because from what I see, that’s all he did — and he was attacked for that.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Difference in view
You think it’s one team getting special treatment. We see it as one team just asking to be treated like everyone else.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
So would that one team
Be so accommodating if Auburn asked that Alabama move one of its games so it could, say, avoid a 4-week stretch of league games? I highly doubt it.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's an analogy
The bank accidentally takes money out of my account and puts it in yours. I bring the error to their attention. Now, you’ve got extra money that you got in error but through no fault of your own. Are you going to just write me a check? Hell no. That’s why the bank has to step in and fix their mistake.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
That Analogy only works
If you believe something’s actually been taken FROM Alabama and given to somebody else. Which is not at all the case here.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
you're quibbling
Other teams are gaining an advantage proportionate to the disadvantage that Alabama gets from this schedule.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
And everyone else
Plays their schedule without asking the league to change it.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
And no one else gets such an unfair schedule.
Why are you so desperate to avoid a level playing field? Wait, wait, I already know this one.
University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens
Unfair Schedules
Happen to some team every year.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Where does that get us?
All of this is opinion, Billy
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
And mine is
Your schedule’s no more unfair then LSU’s in 2006, Georgia’s in 2005 (a month between home games) or any other beastly schedule any other team’s ever had.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
But not that unfair.
If LSU was scheduled to play all 12 games on the road, you would complain. Excuse me, I mean you would whine.
University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens
I'm sure we would
And when Alabama is asked to play 12 road games, call me.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
How about 11? Ten?
How about facing all twelve teams with a bye? Ten?
Where’s the line? Oh, more than six, I guess.
University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens
No, wait, that wasn't fair of me.
It’s not “more than six”. It’s “more than Alabama has to play, whatever that is.”
Again, why so worried about a level playing field? If it’s not a big deal, why not just move the schedule and deal with it? And again, I think I know why.
University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens
You can't characterize
Billy’s argument as not wanting a level playing field because his particular team is unaffected by this by virtue of when LSU plays Alabama.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Nor can I really explain why Billy is so dead set against a schedule change that neither benefits his team or hurts it, unless it’s because Billy dislikes the idea of Alabama getting equal treatment. Or maybe it’s because Billy thinks that mistakes shouldn’t be allowed to be corrected – how is that fair?
University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens
Meaning?
I’m asking a fairly simple question: How many opponents coming off of bye weekends should a team have to face before the schedule ought to be fixed? 12? 11? 10? 9? 8? 7? 6? 5? 4?
If LSU were facing 12 teams coming off of bye weeks, you would complain and you would not feel that you were whining. Would the league office have “no business accommodating the interests of one program over the other 11”?
How would you feel if it were 11 games? 10? Where do you draw the line? Do you draw the line in a different place if it’s LSU instead of Alabama? Do you draw it differently for a team that just won a NC than for a team that just went 5-7?
My opinion is that six teams with byes is unfair. My feeling is that the league office is exactly responsible for correcting the situation. Complaining that Bama MIGHT get a slightly less unfair schedule sounds more like whining than Bama asking for a fair schedule does.
University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens
Now we're getting somewhere
You’re at least acknowledging that it’s a matter of degree. We just disagree on what is an extreme. I think having to face six times as many rested opponents as anyone else is extreme.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You're still forgetting the main difference
Nobody else expects the league office to “fix” things for them.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No one is expecting
the league office to fix this for Alabama either. Doesn’t mean it should be pursued if for no other reason that to make sure they are giving it proper attention in the future.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
TideFan
My last post on this (time restraints — enjoying the debate, you’re an ok guy) — As my earlier post says, I fully acknowledge that the SEC should take steps to make sure something like this DOESN’T happen again. To be honest, I think the entire SEC schedule should rotate beyond the divisions, with no permanent teams — though I’m sure we disagree there because that would be the end of a yearly Bama-UT game (and this is a whole other side issue).
But I don’t believe in accommodating single teams. If we’re going to get in the business of changing schedules to help teams out for competitive reasons, where does that end, because in the end there always are, and likely always will be, scheduling imbalances in this league.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 15, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand ...
your position on this. You don’t agree that we should pursue correction. I understand that no team is going to be accommodating and I understand why. From the beginning, my issue has merely been the way it’s being characterized. Alabama is pursuing it’s own interests, and other teams consider this whining because it might interfere with their own self-interests.
Enjoyed the conversation.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
And this time, all 11 ADs
agreed that the schedule was a problem and that something should be done. As long as they don’t have to do it. This year.
Why should the SEC penalize ONE team?
University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens
Billy you do realize that YOUR AD agreed with us on this issue right?
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on Apr 15, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
No, and you make a good point
If Alabama hadn’t asked the league office to treat Alabama fairly, we wouldn’t be having the debate about how whiney the other team’s fanbases are about not getting that unfair advantage.
University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens
We have dealt billy.
Now bitch!
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on Apr 15, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Those teams don't have to go that many games without a bye week.
It’s their choice. If they scheduled non-conference opponents better, they’d get their bye week earlier.
No the SEC started it by unfairly scheduling byes to give UA a disadvantage.
See there litte billy, just because we absolutely DOMINATED THE SEC despite the disadvantages doesnt mean that the SEC should not address the issue since the SEC is not supposed to be biased, even if its against the BEST team in the nation.
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on Apr 15, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Alabama did not think the journey to a 14th ncaa college football national championship.....
would be easy did they?
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. I was building a house, I don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. Bang. "Unforgiven" I drink your milkshake. I drink it up! "There Will BE Blood"
by wolfmanshowlforever on Apr 16, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
No, we Alabama fans understand.
When you’re the best, everyone else tries to take you down by any means possible.
But it’s not Alabama fans “whining” about how it won’t be fair if Bama plays all six of those opponents with byes the week before; it’s fans of the other eleven SEC teams whining about the possibility that it might be made fair. Why are they so afraid of a level playing field, hmmm? Oh, wait, I think I know this one…
University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens
This really wasn't that big an issue for me until Alabama fans starting attacking me over it
I’ll go ahead and say it: I don’t care if South Carolina has a bye before playing Alabama or not. I really doubt that it will have that much of an impact on the outcome.
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
South Carolina ?????????
You could take a F’N year off before you play us and it would not have that much of an impact on the outcome.
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on Apr 15, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Then to rephrase
Except in an unusual circumstance (like last year, when some teams played 11 or even all 12 games in a row without a bye), I think the outcome of bye weeks on the outcome of any game are limited. But, again, if Alabama is so much better than everyone else in the SEC, then why is this an issue?
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
those teams played 11 or 12 ...
in a row because of how they chose to schedule their OOC games, which — while difficult — is still within their control. Shuffling Alabama’s OOC schedule does nothing to remedy this issue.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
And really, with Auburn last year,
they played several cupcakes, so it should not have been difficult to have a bye week earlier in the year. They just wanted it before the Bama game.
I'm not real knowledgeable on how bye weeks are scheduled,
But it seems like you just said that teams can influence when their bye weeks are through their OOC scheduling. So, if every team looks at their schedule and decides that Alabama is their toughest game, then they have incentive to schedule their OOC games in such a way to afford them a bye week before they plan ‘Bama. I don’t see anything wrong with this. That’s the price you pay for being on top. That’s sort of like complaining that teams always try their hardest against you because you’re ranked #1. I don’t have any sympathy for you.
On the other hand, if the SEC office is truly the only force behind when bye weeks fall, then it does seem unfair to me that one team would get a disproportionate number of opponents with bye weeks right before their match.
Scenario 1: Alabama is being a bunch of whining bed-wetting momma’s boys.
Scenario 2: Alabama is still being a bunch of whining bed-wetting momma’s boys, but at least you’re justified.
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by The Feathered Warrior on Apr 15, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The SEC can manage consecutive conference games
which affects the availability of by weeks. Case in point, the tentative 2010 schedule. Six teams have opportunities to schedule a bye before Alabama and Auburn. The other ten teams only face two SEC opponents who have the opportunity to schedule a bye before that game. So, if the bye weeks were the only sticking point, then Auburn would have a claim as well except for the fact that of the six teams who could have scheduled a bye before facing Auburn, none did. But that’s not the sticking point. The sticking point is that the excessive bye weeks are paired with excessive consecutive games. Vandy and South Carolina each face six straight SEC opponents, but no one on a bye. Alabama will play in consecutive weeks Arkansas, Florida, at South Carolina (coming off a bye), Ole Miss (coming off a bye), and at Tennessee (coming off a bye).
Ah, scenario B, then.
Thanks.
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by The Feathered Warrior on Apr 15, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair
Alabama fans didn’t attack you over it until you made the sarcastic remark that correcting the issue was giving Alabama special treatment.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
You run a fair blog. I mentioned it to the mwc blog and boise state blog.
A few people i know have posted some here.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Apr 16, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Alabama fans Attacking you over it....
Please see the above photo referencing your image. WAAAHHH
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by The Voice of Reason on Apr 15, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions
You are the least reasonable purported "voice of reason" I have ever come accross.
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by The Feathered Warrior on Apr 15, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
First thing they should do...
Is move the ‘Bama-LSU game from Nov. 6 to Oct. 30. That would automatically drop the number of ’Bama opponents coming off a bye to 5.
In fact, why hasn’t this happened already?
My guess would be
because this would give Alabama six consecutive SEC games, including three of the last four on the road.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, so that makes their schedule too hard, too?
South Carolina plays 6 SEC games in a row without a bye, 4 of them on the road. I don’t see them complaining.
If ‘Bama is not willing to move this game, then I really don’t see how their request can be taken seriously. Of course, I don’t know that ‘Bama is unwilling to move this game, but it’s never been mentioned as a possibility, as far as I know, and that’s questionable.
I don't understand why another team ...
not complaining would make Alabama’s complaint unjust. No, South Carolina should not play six games in a row with four on the road. That’s a raw deal.
But moving that game would give Alabama the same raw deal as South Carolina (six in a row), except that Alabama would still face three rested opponents in that stretch, and five overall, which is five more than South Carolina.
Well, no disrespect, I think you're mincing my words a bit...
‘Bama is complaining that they face too many teams coming off byes. Moving the ’Bama/LSU game is the simplest way to partly fix that problem, but there seems to be some resistance because it would give ’Bama a rough stretch. Except, SC and, I just realized, Kentucky, will be facing the exact same thing this season. Why isn’t ‘Bama willing to do the same?
While we’re on it, you call it a “raw deal”, but since 2005, I’ve been able to come up with numerous examples of teams playing 6+ SEC games in a row, and just as many that have had to play 7 or 8 games in a row against “real” competition (read: SEC and opponents-with-a-pulse – Big XII, ACC, WVU, ranked non-Big-Six teams, ect.) without the benefit of a bye. Considering that the situation is really quite commonplace, ‘Bama (or the NCAA, I guess) is going to need a better excuse than "but then we’d have to ply 6 games in a row" for why the LSU game can’t be moved up a week. Oh, and thanks for keeping your tone civil. I really appreciate it, especially after my experience with ’Bama fans over at the Arkansas blog.
The conference office says ...
…that they try to avoid two things in scheduling: having a team play too many consecutive weeks against SEC opponents (they consider four a lot but recognize with 12 games in a 13 week season, five or six will happen), and facing too many SEC teams coming off of a bye week. Alabama is the only team in the conference that suffers from both things the conference tries to avoid (and the only one that suffers too many bye week teams — no one else has more than one on the schedule). If this were just the unfortunate results of a cycle, that would be one thing, but Alabama has faced more rested SEC opponents than anyone else in each of the last four years, and this will be the second consecutive year they will do it with a five consecutive conference game stretch.
Your solution doesn’t actually fix one of them, and it makes another worse. What I mean by that is that it extends Alabama’s consecutive streak to six games, and while it removes the bye week from it’s opponent, it also does so with it’s own. So Alabama then faces a longer gauntlet, with ostensibly no more relief. It would give Alabama a week of rest before Miss State instead of LSU, but Miss State has that week as a bye as well, so that’s a wash.
As far as civility, I try to maintain it here as I consider myself a guest. Now on my blog … I’m a real ass there.
One other thing I would like some folks to note about this. Alabama isn’t complaining about the quality of the opponent and where they fall on the schedule. That would justify the accusations of whining. This is just about the theoretical advantages and disadvantages any team would face under these conditions.
Good point about Miss. St.
I didn’t realize that, and it does make the original point moot.
It’s too bad we couldn’t have figured that out sooner, because the “we’d have to play 6 games” excuse is weak, and we wouldn’t have had to argue about it. After looking some more, I also realized that Vanderbilt has a 6 game SEC streak without a bye. At the end of the day, a full 25% of the SEC has a 6-game bye-less SEC streak. Not only that, I realized that one of the games being considered for being moved is the SC-Ark game, but moving that game would still give SC a 6-game streak. It would also move Arkansas’ bye to before the UTEP game, so that doesn’t seem fair to either team.
If what you say is true about what the SEC tries to “avoid” when scheduling, then they’re doing a terrible job of it, as a full 2/3 of the conference suffers from having at least a 4 game SEC streak without a bye, and nearly half (5/12) face 5 or 6 game streaks.
Anyways, the original point of this has been blown to proverbial smithereens, so, see ya around.
Good Point.......
but I think that what is being missed in this whole conversation is that THIS IS NOT A ONE YEAR THING……..take a look at the conference schedule for the last ten years (which is the interval at which the SEC sets schedules in advance)………Alabama has faced three to four TIMES as many teams coming off of the bye week in the last decade……..again, we are not just bitching because we have a one year bad schedule, we are seeking to remedy a situation that ensures that the playing field, year after year, is stacked against Alabama……..we are simply seeking to ensure that this does not happen again when the ten year schedule is up for renewal – which just happens to be this year……..
I thought that was just in the past 4 years...
that ‘Bama has faced 3 times as many teams coming off a bye, and I think that’s only if you count this upcoming 6 (which is an obvious outlier in the data set). If not, feel free to point me where I can verify otherwise.
Also, to claim “we are simply seeking to ensure that this does not happen again when the ten year schedule is up for renewal” is a bit disingenuous. That criteria has already been established for the new guidelines, admittedly because of this incident, but if that’s all you were after, you wouldn’t be begging to change a schedule that was ostensibly set 10 years ago.
Agreed on some of your points..........
I let my irritation in the matter get in the way of a few arguments…….you are right, we are not simply seeking to ensure that it doesn’t happen again, we are trying to fix this year’s schedule as well – so I’ll give you that one, but my point remains the same…….we are trying to ensure that this doesn’t happen again – the playing field is not level when it comes to how many teams have a bye before playing Alabama and the schedule is up for renewal this year, thus it is important for us to make this clear, and it is clear to me that the league agrees that the scheduling is unfair in this way, otherwise they would have just told us there was nothing they could do about it and we should just deal with it……….as to the schedule for the last ten years, (and I am only going to include SEC teams) in 2010 six teams will have had bye weeks against us, in 09 three, in 08 four, in 07 four, in 06 three, in 05 one, in 04 two, in 03 four, in 02 2, in 01 four, in 00 three…….so in the last decade 32 SEC teams (and this was hard……I suck at math of all kinds) had a bye week before they played us………right at an average of three SEC teams per year………in my research, which took forever – thus my delay in replying so I apologize for how long it took – I found that another SEC team has a gripe about this also, Auburn, who faced the next closest amount of byes, with 23……..the next closest after that were all between 15-19………how can a difference that big be justifed?…….now, I don’t have a real problem with playing the schedule as is this year, or if some games the week before in some of the particularly tough stretches could be moved to thursday, it would provide some relief, which is what we are trying to do with the Georgia State game the week before the Auburn game………do you really think that the fact that Auburn had two weeks to prepare to play us while we had six days to prepare due to the game being on Friday had nothing to do with how that game played out?……..or the fact that Tennessee last year had an off week while we were coming off of 7 straight opponents had nothing to do with the way they came back in the fourth quarter?………I don’t want the schedule tilted in Alabama’s favor, all I want is for the schedule to be equitable – and I don’t see how anyone who is a fan of the SEC could take exception to a level playing field, unless they plain just dislike Alabama, which I could understand – hell, I hate Auburn and Tennessee, but I wouldn’t think it was fair if this was happening to either of them………..
Very well put.
I appreciate the research, and I’ll take your word for it. That disparity is definitely not good, but I would like to point out that by your numbers, ‘Bama has faced twice as many opponents coming off byes, not the more extreme quote of “3 or 4 times”. But again, that disparity should be changed, and I’m hoping that the new guidelines will fix this.
I will say that if it were my team (Arkansas) that had to play 6 teams coming off byes, I actually wouldn’t complain, especially since it obviouslt hasn’t been done maliciously. But, that doesn’t mean that others don’t have a right to complain. Frankly, I’m really not convinced that a team coming off a bye has a noticeable advantage, but teach their own, right? Thanks again for the numbers.
Well spoken.......
one thing I love about RBR and TSK and the rest of the SB Nation is that people that love college football have a place to discuss things like this………and you are right about the “3 or 4 times” quote, that was just plain wrong over the last decade, but not about 2007-2010……..a list and much more eloquent posts by the always insightful BR07 over at RBR
it's been stated elsewhere, but ...
the problem with this year’s schedule is a confluence of factors. Alabama not only faces six times as many opponents coming off a bye week as anyone else, but they do so starting on a string of five consecutive SEC games. And the issue isn’t the advantage any particular team gets so much as how the bye week advantage grows when Alabama is consistently facing opponents who have had an extra week to recover physically. It’s inevitable that that should happen, and part of the issue is that the SEC can’t control when teams schedule their OOC games so those teams are choosing to take it before Alabama. That makes a lot of sense. But, the conference can control how many times teams play an SEC opponent before facing any other team, and in this case, only Auburn had as many opportunities to play rested opponents (of the six teams who could have scheduled a bye before Auburn, none did). No one else had more than two opponents with that chance. That’s where the equity has to be found.
Well, to be fair...
That was not the original argument, as I understand it. First, it was that ‘Bama had to face a huge number of opponents coming off byes. Then, when that didn’t exactly garner a lot of sympathy, it came out that this was something of a pattern, and more or less extreme depending on the time frame (the past 10 years vs. the past 4 seasons). Now, it’s “AND we have to do that with a 5 game SEC streak”. That makes it sound like if it wasn’t for that streak, playing so many teams coming off byes wouldn’t be a big deal, which is countindicative to the original argument.
The byes are the easiest thing to fix ...
… hence the emphasis on them. Whether it was brought up initially or not is irrelevant outside of trying to justify accusations of whining over something that most now agree is justified. At least, all twelve ADs and the conference agree. Clearly, not all fans do.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 16, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
When South Carolina Doesn't Play Even One...
If my review of past schedules is correct, the Gamecocks have not played even one single team coming off a bye in the past three seasons. If you were facing a marked disadvantage in 75% of your games this year, somehow I don’t think we’d hear you saying “USC fans should shut up and take it.” I think you would complain, and I think you would be fully justified to do so. And I don’t think correcting such a glaring problem would be special treatment.
I think you guys do a pretty good job being fair to 11 SEC teams, but the snark and the bias directed toward Bama are getting a little old.
It's the same thing that happens when people speak of...
the NY Yankees, Lakers/Celtics, etc… The teams in this league have a LOOOONG history of being spanked by daddy, and, quite frankly, CnF’s comments (a converted ’Barner) are really only haterade thinly veiled by snark.
That said, I do like TSK, but some balanced foppishness would be nice.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 15, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You should take it as a compliment. When you are top dog you tend to get knock around a little.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Apr 16, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, speaking as someone who just went through a year of expectations of a repeat. It’s drastically different now than it was in the ’90s. Drastically.
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So what exactly is the argument here?
If no one is arguing that there is something wrong with a schedule which includes 6 of 12 teams coming off a bye week, I don’t see how any other argument is really very sound
Just to be accurate
It’s six of eight. The league has no control over what OOC teams’ schedules look like.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 15, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
C&F, I was going to point out . . .
. . . that I did phrase my headline about the Diamond Dogs in the form of a question, I qualified extensively all my observations regarding positive indicators, and I made it clear that there were many problems in need of correction, but, after seeing how much of a hornet’s nest you’ve stirred up here, I figured I’d just say thanks for the link and keep up the good work on your SEC baseball coverage! :)
Go 'Dawgs!
So how about Kentucky signing Brandon Knight?
/ducks
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
is just a freight train coming your way.
Unrelated to Alabama football
since we’ve never played in the bowl, but I don’t understand why so many folks refuse to call it the “Chik-fil-A Bowl” but have no issue with the Capital One Bowl. At least, no one takes such severe issue to it that they go to lengths to refer to it as “the bowl formerly known as the Citrus Bowl.”
That makes sense
I’ve just never understood why Chik-fil-A takes the brunt of anti-corporate branding angst, when they were neither the first nor most egregious offender. And also, their chicken is awesome and should be above slander. I’d let them brand my child for free food for a lifetime.
Seriously
I have derived far more enjoyment from Chik-fil-A than from Capital One
by billycthulhu on Apr 15, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, right? And Chick-fil-A doesn’t even run a million insipid and annoying commercials either.
It might just be a factor of the fact that the Peach Bowl was just the Peach Bowl from its founding to when Chick-fil-A got involved. The Citrus was originally the Tangerine Bowl, and the changed moniker to “Florida Citrus Bowl” was actually a sponsorship from the state’s citrus growers. It also had a couple other sponsors before Capital One paid to have its name on it, like CompUSA.
Not many people know this, but the change from “Capital One Florida Citrus Bowl” to just “Capital One Bowl” actually didn’t come as a result of the credit card guys ponying up more money but because of the citrus growers taking theirs out.
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Just for clarity
I mean “brand” as in “name my child Chik-fil-A”, not as in "apply hot steel in the shape of misspelled words to my child. "
The offender that started it all? Blockbuster.
Then we get Outback, then it’s the USF&G Sugar Bowl/Fed Ex Orange Bowl, Tostitos Fiesta…
From there, corporations were under some Rollerball-like delusions that these kids want to play under a company banner rather than under a bowl named something vaguely related to the local culture or history.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 15, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Blockbuster was one of the first with a corporate name ...
… but I think Independence was the first to add the corporate brand to an existing bowl, when they became the all-too-infamous Poulan Weedeater Independence Bowl. Most egregious offender in my mind, though: The San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl. When you can’t even abbreviate it succinctly, that’s a problem.
I was more talking about
the bowls that exist solely as a corporate-entity bowl: Blockbuster, Chik-Fil-A, MicronPC, Cap One, Gallery Furniture (or was the the G.F. Houston Bowl?), etc.
I still blame Blockbuster (and thank god for Limewire, DishTV, DVR and NetFlix)
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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 15, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
So, this post is whining about whining about whining? man, the off-season really screws people up. I really enjoy your stuff but this comes across unusually Skip Baylessesque
by Alabama ManDance on Apr 15, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
Typical bammer, just whining about a post whining about whining about whining
by billycthulhu on Apr 15, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m dizzy now, is it happy hour yet?
by Alabama ManDance on Apr 15, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Hate mail, C&F.
You’ve got to know you’ve hit the big time now!
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by The Feathered Warrior on Apr 15, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions
what i love most about this thread...
is the overall smell of jealousy coming from other SEC teams..You hate the fact that Alabama is on top SO much that you’ll actually argue for hours about an obvious unfair scheduling advantage…Go so far as to say..“suck it up”…In other words," we all know Alabama is far better than we are, so why should ’Bama care?"…
The fact remains if the shoe were on the other foot other teams “fans” would be just as pissed. Cock knows it…Mr “im gonna argue this all day long but act like its not a big deal” Billy Gomila knows it….
Take a look at the state Year2 has come up with about how “fair” this is to Alabama…
Lane Kiffin took the meaning of "Volunteer" WAY too seriously....
Yo Broheim,
come off it. I don’t think it’s earth-shattering news that Alabama is the best team in the conference. Everyone wants Alabama to suck it up because nobody likes listening to people whine all the time. It’s annoying. (And, I should add, unbecoming)
The truth is, every schedule has its imperfections. Just because a team has a bye-week doesn’t mean it has a great chance of winning it’s next game. South Carolina, in particular, is notorious for losing games coming off a bye-week. If a team wins after a bye week, it’s because they had extra time to prepare. If a team loses, it’s because they had too much time off.
USC had 6 straight SEC games last year without a bye. You didn’t see us shaking up the entire league’s schedule. We took it on the chin. Like men. You could look at any schedule in the country and come up with reasons why it’s unfair. Get over it. Just play the games. This persecution complex that Alabama fans are trotting out in this discussion is utterly ridiculous.
For the record, I really don’t care if the SEC switches schedules around or not. Personally, though, I think it’s a little late in the game to be playing around with something as important as a schedule. People are already booking hotels and planning trips in the fall.
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State motto of South Carolina
by The Feathered Warrior on Apr 15, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Come off it?
Everyone wants Alabama to suck it up because nobody likes listening to people whine all the time. It’s annoying. (And, I should add, unbecoming)
Go back and read the comments friend…sounds like more people are whining over the fact that Bama fans are whining than the other way around. This is a thread created by a Cock who wanted to cry because Bama fans are pissed cause of a scheduling problem. So who exactly is whining more? Seems to me its not the Bama fans…
Personally, though, I think it’s a little late in the game to be playing around with something as important as a schedule.
Bama brought this up during last season but its just now getting noticed…why? Cause SEC teams are whining cause the SEC is trying to fix a major problem…..who is whining again?
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It's important to note that what happened ...
… initially was not whining. It was Alabama’s AD requesting attention to something that every AD in the league agreed was wrong. It wasn’t until opposing fanbases started crying “special treatment” that anything that could be construed as whining began, and in that case, it was not Tide fans.
by TideFaninTN on Apr 16, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Nobody is jealous of Alabama.
Im sorry. But when you have 4 of the last 5 Championships in a conference, there just isn’t any reason to be jealous of any one team. If you guys win 4 in a row, i will be jealous. But untill then, your not special at all.
Nope, not special at all...
Just better than 119 other squads.
Other than facts, I see what you’re saying.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 16, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
A few counterpoints, and then I'm done with this argument for the time being
1. I’m sorry, I don’t think any team should be able to prompt the SEC office to re-arrange the schedule four months before the season begins. Yes, that would include South Carolina if they found themselves in the same situation. What happened to Alabama is unfortunate and not entirely fair. But sometimes unfair things happen. I don’t think getting Alabama a better schedule outweighs the inconvenience it will cause other teams to shuffle their seasons. (I say that as someone who would much rather have South Carolina take a bye before a game they’re more likely to win. If the SEC wants to change the schedule, the fan in me says they should go ahead and do it.)
2. I honestly don’t believe I’m unfair to Alabama. Even when I was an Auburn fan, I had a respect for Alabama’s tradition. (Part of that probably comes from growing up in a family full of Alabama fans, but it’s there.) If the Tide is taking a little bit more snark right now — and I’m not really willing to concede that, but for the sake of argument, I will — it’s because it’s the pre-eminent team in the SEC right now. That means it makes more news, which means it’s featured more in the very snarky Sprints, which means it gets more snark. If you want to receive Mississippi State’s level of snark, you’ll have to accept Mississippi State’s level of achievement. It’s not so much jealousy as it is the teams who are better tend to draw more attention and are more newsworthy. So, in a sense, those who said that it’s a compliment are right.
3. The site is not meant to be completely objective per se. It’s a blog. It’s a format that is meant to blend news and opinion. I try to be fair to all the teams to a certain extent, but that’s not always possible. When Lane Kiffin was setting a land-speed record for idiotic statements, Tennessee took a few shots. I will give my opinion on this blog, and I can say even without checking the archives that I have criticized every team in the SEC more than once. I will, when I think it’s warranted, continue to do so.
Thanks for reading.
And I mean that. I honestly appreciate each and every one of you.
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
So basically your are whining because a team asked that something be fixed many months before the season even starts?
Wow, that is just plain out lame.
You pretend a schedule change before the schedules have even been made official is somehow bad.
You are simply calling Bama fans whiners to cover that it’s actually you that is whining that someone asked to be treated fairly.
You pretend like getting 50% of the games coming off byes for the entire 12 team conference is just only a small bit unfair.
Meanwhile, you pretend that if they happened to fix the schedule, it would be them pandering to Alabama, when if they were pandering to Alabama then that isn’t how the schedule would have been to begin with. Because the SEC is the one who gives the schools the schedules, and then the schools fill it out. The schools all choose to have their bye week before Alabama. Something that is impossible for other schools to get based only on the schedule the SEC gives to start with.
As such, it’s not some unfortunate incident, it’s an SEC screw up. They have how long to come up with the schedules and this is what they do? Meanwhile they for the 2nd year in a row messed up the tradition of 3rd Saturday in October by scheduling Tennessee on another date. And btw, Tennessee just happens to get bye weeks before Alabama both years because of the change.
Personally I think you’re just fishing for traffic. Because you can’t be this ridiculous without it being on purpose. Either way, I think I’ll do my best to avoid reading this site for awhile if this is all you can offer.
Out of all the sec blogs this one is the fairest.
Why did Alabama complain about that loss to Utah. You guYs had every advantage in the book. You basically had a home field advantage and you played in a dome game for your cg. Utah had not been to a dome for as long as i’ve been folowing them. Utah won that game and you could not even give credit where credit was due. Nick Saban gave credit after the game. He is a classy individual. I have no problem with Alabama University or it’s players. It just seems alot of your fans have excuese’s for you losses. Just my opinion. Why don’t you guys just suck it up once in awhile and just give out a little praise after a game like that. This blog is fair and i would like to say bama fans are too but the majority of them on here and on the bama blog are not. peace.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Apr 17, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
We got outcoached, and outplayed
It didn’t help that with losing to UF, the way that we did, our guys’ hearts just weren’t into it. Hell, you could see that. We were a very different, and immature team, in ‘08, that, by losing the SEC, lost a chance of any championship. While that was the Utes’ biggest stage (bigger than Pitt, obviously).
That’s how you lose: motivation, preparation, game-planning.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 17, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you for some praise.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Apr 19, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The point is....
Is that Alabama has had 2 years since the SEC part of their schedule was set. Why make a big deal about it 4 months before the season. If this was an issue, it should have been taken care of a long time ago. Its not the League office’s fault, its the Alabama Athletic Office’s fault. Asking other teams to change their schedule, at what amounts to the last minute from a logistical standpoint, is unfair to the other programs. Bring the problem to the attention of the league (which you’ve done), have it fixed for future years (which you’ve done) and play your schedule. Just stop acting like a collective 2 year old that wants it’s blankie.
by Charlestowne on Apr 18, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I will respond to this ...
… whether you’re still here or not, and for two distinct reasons.
As Charlestowne said, Alabama had plenty of time to bring this to the league office’s attention before. In fact, the only reason the school was even aware of it was because a beat writer apparently got bored and researched it — I remember Bama officials responding to the piece by essentially saying it was news to them. If it was that much of a priority for the department, they should have done their own research and asked to change it years ago.
Second, I know how to fish for traffic if I need to. Getting into an argument with one of the SEC’s fan bases was be good short-term but a terrible idea long-term from a traffic standpoint it I didn’t believe what I was saying.
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Second, I know how to fish for traffic if I need to.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Apr 19, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
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