Quarterbacks and the NFL
I'm going to take the opposite side of the argument regarding the Ben Volin-Mike Florio spat over Tim Tebow's throwing motion.
I generally agree with Volin, but then the two of us have followed the Florida program a lot closer than Florio has. Nearly everything that Tebow is doing now with his fundamentals is something he did last year with Scot Loeffler, from the footwork to the throwing motion. When he says now that he hasn't had this kind of fundamentals coaching before, either he's saying what he needs to say to mollify scouts or he, John Brantley, and Loeffler were all lying about what went on in practice last March. This is old ground, and the fact that he has to tread it again is not entirely the fault of the coaching staff. You can lead a horse to water...
Florio's perspective is not surprising for someone who spends nearly all of his time on the NFL beat. He strikes me as the kind of person that I refer to as an NFL supremacist: someone who thinks college football exists mainly to be a farm system for the pro level. The fact of the matter is that college football is its own thing, and the coaches there don't get paid based on the action on Sundays. Just look at the top guys in quarterback rating in the 2009 NFL season:
- Drew Brees: played in a spread offense at Purdue under Joe Tiller, who recently retired after a successful career by Purdue's standards but who had some losing seasons.
- Brett Favre: came to Southern Miss under Curley Hallman, who would leave to become the worst coach in LSU history. Finished under Jeff Bower, who was good by USM standards but who was forced out after 2007.
- Phillip Rivers: played at NC State under Chuck Amato, who was later fired for losing too many games after Rivers left.
- Aaron Rodgers: played at Cal under Jeff Tedford, who's done well but hasn't really broken through and is known as a QB guru for developing NFL Hall of Famers Trent Dilfer, David Carr, Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, and Kyle Boller.
- Ben Roethlisberger: played at Miami (OH) under Terry Hoeppner, who tragically died from brain cancer at Indiana.
- Peyton Manning: played under Phil Fulmer at Tennessee, who was recently pushed out for not winning enough. Studied under David Cutcliffe, who was fired as head coach by Ole Miss.
- Matt Schaub: played at Virginia under Al Groh, who was recently fired for not winning enough games.
- Tony Romo: played at Eastern Illinois and was missed by all of Division I-A.
- Tom Brady: played at Michigan under Lloyd Carr, who retired at the end of 2007 amid fan unhappiness for not beating Ohio State enough.
- Kurt Warner: played at Northern Iowa and was missed by all of Division I-A.
Rodgers played under a supposed quarterbacks guru who has topped out at the Holiday Bowl, and Manning and Brady played under coaches with a national title but who fell off when the rest of their conferences caught up and they slowed down. That's the best the list has to offer. As it turns out, you can be an NFL starting quarterback even if you have a stooge for a coach like Rivers with Amato or Josh Freeman with Ron Prince
If you go down the rest of the list of the NFL's starting QBs, you find it's a bunch of guys who played for coaches who were later fired (Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning, Jason Campbell, Brady Quinn, etc.) or who were obscurities in college (Joe Flacco, David Garrard, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jake Delhomme, etc.).
The only big time college coaches who have entries on the list are Pete Carroll with Carson Palmer and Matt Cassell, Mack Brown with Vince Young, Urban Meyer with Alex Smith, Mark Richt with Matthew Stafford, and Nick Saban/Les Miles with JaMarcus Russell. Palmer turned out great, and Cassell looked good for that year in New England. Young's career has been uneven to say the least, Smith is fortunate to even get another chance this year, and Russell is on his way to eating himself out of the league. It's too early to judge Stafford.
Clearly, creating franchise NFL quarterbacks is not a requirement to being a successful college coach. Bobby Bowden never did. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe Joe Paterno ever did unless you count Kerry Collins. Meyer, Brown, Saban, Bob Stoops, Steve Spurrier, and Jim Tressel haven't yet, and that hasn't prevented them from becoming legends. That's why it's stupid to say that if Tebow becomes a bust like Smith was, then top quarterback recruits will shy away from playing at Florida.
I get the feeling that this isn't really about Urban Meyer's, or more accurately Dan Mullen's, ability to groom an NFL quarterback. Guys go into the league every year with substandard mechanics. I think a lot of this is yet another repudiation of Meyer's spread option offense, something that NFL supremacist types have been panning for years. I don't know Florio's position on it, but I'd be surprised if he liked it. It's also probably them getting Tebow fatigue already, since he's the biggest story of the off season despite not having actually done anything in the league yet.
Colleges pay their coaches for wins at the college level, plain and simple. College coaches have a responsibility to coach their players the right way sure, but that doesn't mean they all have to run pro style offenses and defenses. Georgia Tech probably couldn't be happier with the Paul Johnson era so far, what with the Jackets' ACC title and all, and he runs the antithesis of an NFL offense. Florida pays Meyer to win games, and his first non-transitional recruiting class only became the winningest senior class in SEC history with 48 wins in four seasons.
I'm not here to beg sympathy for Tebow, who probably wanted to make his senior season fun by not focusing on redoing his entire mechanics and just doing what he did the previous season. It sure looked as if that was the case on the field. I'm also not going to try to convince you that Meyer is some kind of coaching god who can crank out perfect quarterbacks. That's certainly not true, and he evidently wasn't terribly concerned when Tebow's reworked mechanics didn't take.
The point is, if Tebow doesn't end up a Pro Bowl quarterback, then it's not all on his college coach. He is responsible for his development too, and he's acting on that responsibility right now by getting tutored. What Florio and the rest of NFL pundits never seem to acknowledge on top of that is that his future NFL coaches have a responsibility to develop him as well, and bad coaching in the NFL can ruin players' careers. No one arrives on that level as a finished product, and not all coaches in that league are beyond reproach. No one bats an eye when they get fired and recycled, after all.
And for goodness' sake, it's not a college coach's responsibility to run a farm team for the pros. It's NCAA football, not the NFDL.
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Dave, I couldn’t agree with you more. Believe it or not, even Mike Bianchi at the “Orlando Slantinel” grabbed Urban’s back in a recent article. All this crap being leveled at him for not having adquately prepared Tim Tebow to play at the next level is asinine – as I see it, that’s up to specialized coaches such as Steve DeBerg and others to do – NOT an NCAA head football coach.
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I think
that much like in other professions, what a man does after he gets out of college is far more important to what he did in college in determining his long term success. Tebow has outstanding athleticism, and if he works on his mechanics, I don’t see any particular reason he can’t become a successful NFL QB. Sure, he won’t do what he did at Florida, but I expect that most NFL QBs don’t do what they did in college.
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I agree
People expect the coaches to concentrate on Tebows throwing motion as if it would have no effect on his game and thier effect on winning. They argue the kids future is more important then winning.
My arguement to that is; If its all about the kids making the NFL, wouldnt it have a poor result on Floridas receivers like Hernadez and Cooper because the entire practice thier starting QB is practicing how to throw the ball, not even to mention the mind games it would play on the QB during the game. So why is ok to risk players being noticed at all just so Tebow can get in the 1st round?
Also Tebow may have had this type of practice with his mechanice before, but it was never to this extent. I would bet that UM would not allow his QB to simply only work on his throwing motion for 2-3 months every day and nothing else like he is now.
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when i saw the highlights of tebow in the nfl combine i saw a man hustling and working hard.
tebow will give you 100% while colt boy mccoy would not even go back into the ncg b/c he might get really injured. colt mccoy will do no better than colt brennan and sam bradford will be another ken dorsey. tebow will be much better than those two imo. i still like dan lefevour to become the best of the bunch.
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