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Arkansas Isn't Leaving, but What if?

This is a follow up to the earlier post about conference expansion. The Big 12 is the target du jour with Missouri, Nebraska, and Texas linked to the Big Ten in various levels of seriousness and Colorado linked to the Pac-10. The normal replacements being mentioned are the good mid-majors: BYU, Utah, TCU, and Boise State.

The biggest name being thrown around for the Big 12 is Arkansas. As SWC refugees, the Razorbacks have more in common historically with most of the Big 12 South teams than anyone in the SEC. There seems to be a small but vocal group of people out there convinced that Arkansas is just waiting for an opening to reunite with the Texas teams over in the Big 12.

Reality check time.

SEC member schools get just over $17 million a year from the conference's TV contracts. Big 12 schools get $6.6 million a year from the networks. The Big 12 would basically have to triple its TV income to surpass the SEC's payout, and that's not happening any time soon. Unless Jerry Jones promises to make up the difference each year, which is a lot for even him, Arkansas isn't going anywhere.

But, it's the football off season and there hasn't been any basketball in two days, so let's play a what if game. What if Jones did promise to make up the difference and his beloved Razorbacks went to the Big 12. Who does the SEC go for next?

All but one of the following would geographically make sense as SEC East teams, so Tennessee probably would make the move to the SEC West should Arkansas fly the coop. Also, keep in mind that TV markets aren't a huge concern, as the SEC's reputation for quality brings national attention. Preserving the SEC's image as the best conference competitively is the top goal as that more than anything earned the league its massive TV contracts.

THE PRIME TARGETS

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Why? Clemson is already nicknamed "Auburn with a lake," and it has plenty of historical ties to various SEC schools. It's a seamless fit culturally as a football first school, it brings South Carolina's primary rival in house, and it allows a renewal of the dormant Georgia-Clemson series.

Why not? It's hard to say. If the SEC made an offer, there's no way Clemson turns it down. It feels like the conference could aim higher for a bigger fish, but it's not easy to foresee problems with a Clemson entry. I don't know if South Carolina would try to block it, but I also don't know if South Carolina has that much clout within the conference.

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Why? Virginia Tech fits in a lot of the ways Clemson does, but there would be no potential objections like South Carolina might have. The Hokies have gone bowling every year since 1993, and they have a reasonably high national profile. There would be an adjustment period as everyone gets acquainted, but the SEC members would find kindred spirits in Blacksburg.

Why not? VT doesn't have much in the way of historical greatness, and it has no real ties to the SEC. It also has little to offer in the way of basketball, not that Clemson has a whole lot or anything. There is also the issue of Virginia Tech just having jumped conferences a few years ago; one wonders if they'd do it again so soon.

THE BACKUP

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Why? West Virginia would be a cultural fit, even though it doesn't have much history in regards to the SEC. The school has a respectable level of national interest, and its inclusion wouldn't raise any issues with existing members. WVU also would be an attractive candidate on the hardwood as well as the gridiron.

Why not? West Virginia would be fairly remote geographically, and the lack of history with the conference means it wouldn't be a perfect fit. It also has a reputation as being the place to go for guys who can't get in anywhere else (see: Devine, Noel), and the SEC already struggles with a national perception of being lax on academics.

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THE LONG SHOTS

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Why? Georgia Tech was a member of the SEC until Bobby Dodd pulled the school out of the league in 1963. It has plenty of history with the SEC, and its inclusion would only strengthen the conference's hold on Atlanta. It brings something to the table in basketball as well as football, and it would boost the SEC's academic standing.

Why not? For one thing, it's hard to see Georgia ever allowing it to happen. For another, there might still be some hard feelings over the school's exit, as Dodd was feuding with Bear Bryant at the time. It also has a relatively small home football capacity.

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Why? Florida State is a program with a national brand, and it drives TV eyeballs. Despite the struggles at the end of the Bobby Bowden era, it still has the potential to be a juggernaut. Adding FSU would help bolster the league's reputation as the toughest in the land. And, quite frankly, the school could use the money.

Why not? FSU turned down the SEC for the ACC back when the SEC was expanding in the early '90s. The arrangement has worked out well, though an extra $12.5 million a year in TV money speaks volumes. Hard feelings over that episode might eliminate FSU from contention, and I'd imagine that Florida would raise some kind of objections.

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Why? When Miami is in good coaching hands, it's harder for it not to compete for championships. Like FSU, it's a national brand that brings large amounts of interest with it. I'd also imagine that all the recruiting-mad coaches in the SEC would love the chance to showcase their programs in South Florida every other year. It could use the money as well, just like the folks in Tallahassee.

Why not? There's a lot of bad blood with Florida over both football and basketball, so UF would probably try to block it. Beyond that it's a bad fit culturally, and it has a reputation of lawlessness that would not help the SEC's "if you're not cheating, you're not trying" image. It also is a small school that plays in a half empty NFL stadium far from campus. The idea of Miami is much better than the reality.

FORGET IT

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Why? There are few fish out there as big as Texas, as it's a financial, academic, and athletic powerhouse across the board. Procuring Texas was be a huge coup, and it would give all the SEC a strong foothold in the state of Texas. The SEC getting the Longhorns would be as big as, if not bigger than, the Big Ten adding Notre Dame.

Why not? There are too many reasons to list, but here's a few. The Texas state government wouldn't allow it. Texas already makes more than any other university, so the siren song of the SEC's TV dollars isn't as alluring. Why fight with Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, LSU, and Auburn for conference supremacy when now its just fighting with Oklahoma and sometimes Nebraska? Also, why give the SEC's great recruiters inroads into the state's recruiting grounds when Texas basically just gets to pick who it wants now?

And the most obvious: Arkansas wouldn't jump to the Big 12 if Texas had any intention of leaving it. The spot wouldn't be open for Texas to take.

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Arkansas for Clemson would be a great trade.

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by David. on Feb 16, 2010 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

I hadn't thought about moving UT to the West

But it makes sense, since they’d then have a protected game free to pick up Vandy. I think Tech and FSU are more legitimate shots than VT or WVU.

by commodore_dude on Feb 16, 2010 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

I dunno

Given the protected game, I wouldn’t be surprised to see UT pick up Kentucky over Vanderbilt. The football rivalries are on a similar level, but there’s more basketball bad blood that carries over to football in Kentucky’s case than in Vanderbilt’s. I don’t know how long either rivalry has been going, but in my lifetime, Kentucky is definitely the bigger of the two.

by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 16, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It'd have to be Clemson

Clemson v. LSU? The Tigers from Death Valley visit the Tigers from Death Valley.

Clemson v. Auburn? They play next year. Auburn was the source of Clemson’s color scheme and nickname. Walter Riggs went to Auburn and John Heisman left the Plains for Fort Hill.

Clemson v. Alabama? Frank Howard, Charley Pell, Danny Ford, and Dabo Swinney all were ’Bama alumni.

Clemson v. South Carolina? in-state rivals who hate each other’s guts already.

Clemson v. Georgia? Played 62 times from 1897 to 2003. Played annually for 20 years in the early 1900s and had arguably the best non-conference rivalry in the country in the 1980s. When Georgia Tech left the conference, the Georgia-Clemson game was counted as an SEC game to qualify the Bulldogs for the league championship.

They’re close by, they share our culture, and even Arkansas alum Ken Hatfield knew it was trading up to go from the Razorbacks to the Country Gentlemen. Make it happen, Mike Slive.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 16, 2010 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed – Clemson’s basically an SEC school already in every way except, you know, formal conference affiliation.

by peachy rex on Feb 16, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Screw Clemson

VT adds a new market and a bigger name program. Plus, they weren’t even cheating when they made the top ten.

by GwinnettGamecock on Feb 17, 2010 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

This is all the reason anyone would ever need to know the correct answer is Clemson

Would any other program provoke that sort of visceral reaction? I think not.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 17, 2010 6:36 AM EST up reply actions  

No doubt ...

… Clemson is the best possible fit. They also bring a pretty solid basketball program to the table, which, from the standpoint of a Kentucky fan, is a bonus. Probably not better than Arkansas, historically, but at least in the same solar system.

Football-wise, it would be a flawless victory to bring Clemson. I don’t even think South Carolina would object too strongly.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2010 7:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Is it possible that Arky

would leave to get away from Houston Nutt? Or if they did leave, could they blame Houston Nutt?

by BrianWalker'sElbow on Feb 16, 2010 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

But if Arkansas left...

and aren’t around to obsess over Houston Nutt, you and the boys over at the Cup aren’t going to be able to obsess over Arkansas fans’ obsession with Nutt.

by dxf04 on Feb 17, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Just a quick thought

I was checking in on Chris Low’s SEC blog today and in his video he mentions basically that there is no way Arkansas leaves but that the SEC may look at expanding to 14 teams and names Clemson and FSU as the two favorites in that maneuver, has anyone here heard and know if this is coming up in any circles?

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by n.crees on Feb 16, 2010 7:01 PM EST reply actions  

There's always talk

I just don’t see how it makes any sense. You would have the option of either giving up the East-West rivalries (a non-starter for Tennessee-Alabama and Georgia-Auburn), or playing all the other teams from the other division once every five years or playing a ninth conference game, something few people seem to have any interest in.

Also, the supersuperconference idea was a miserable failure when the WAC tried it. It basically fell aprt under its own weight. The SEC might consider it, but I don’t think Mike Slive is stupid.

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by cocknfire on Feb 16, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that it's stupid to consider the idea

I just think someone looking at all the pros and cons would have to utlimately come down against it.

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by cocknfire on Feb 16, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Needless to say, I was typing and proofreading my 7:17 comment . . .

. . . when C&F’s 7:15 and 7:16 comments came through, so I hadn’t seen his when I posted mine.

I’m glad to see we view it the same way, though.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 16, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Twelve is the right number

The SEC was founded in the first place because the old Southern Conference had become too bloated. The Big East is in an untenable situation with regard to league expansion because it has so many basketball members who do not play Division I-A football or (in the case of Notre Dame) play Division I-A football as an independent. The WAC tried having sixteen teams and it was a disaster.

Fourteen teams is too many. That’s six division games for each team each year. We’re not going to a nine-game conference schedule with a conference championship game at the end, so that would leave just two games for teams from the other division. It’s hard to imagine drawing the lines in such a way that no team had a protected rivalry against a team from the other division, so each team would have six division games and one non-rotating rivalry against a team from the other division. That would leave one game for the rotating opponent from the other division. With alternating home-and-away games, it would take twelve years to cycle all the way through. That takes too long; we know that from the original 5-1-2 (five division, one rotating, two permanent) arrangement set up in 1992, which quickly was changed to 5-2-1.

Fourteen teams makes no sense.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 16, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No megaconference for me, please.

12 teams good. 14 teams bad. It’s a mess in basketball — just look at the abortion that is the Big East. It’s not good for football, either.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 18, 2010 7:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for..

..all the answers to my jumping to 14 comment. It has definitely given me a good bit to think about. Now I will precedes this that having just entered my mid-20s i am not too awfully familiar with the WAC’s experiment at a super conference. But my thought on this is such, IF the Big 10+1 were to jump to 16 it seems as if the Pac 10 would try and do the same. If these two events were to happen, I could see where there would be an enormous amount of pressure on the SEC to add four teams on their own. There are even thoughts that this could lead to the end of the Big 12 and either the ACC or the Big East (Please let it be the ACC) and possibly create a playoff scenario while keeping the bowl system. This seems like an interesting and an almost majorly beneficial situation. Any thoughts on this?

BTW- If ya’ll want to know where I have read these postulations, you can find them in the post and comments section on uwdawgpound

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by n.crees on Feb 18, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

12 is perfect

Though with all the suggestions that the Big Integer is going to go beyond 12, I almost want to see them try and fail.

by commodore_dude on Feb 16, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

"Almost"?

Why is it necessary to qualify that sentiment? Culturally and conference-wise, nothing would benefit the SEC more than for the Midwestern league to crash and burn. I’m pretty sure those folks in Chicago, Cincinnati, and Detroit aren’t familiar enough with the Drive-By Truckers to be familiar with the Mike Cooley lyric about not crawling up on a high horse.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 17, 2010 6:32 AM EST up reply actions  

agree with those above

I wouldn’t mind trading Arky for Clemson, or GT but not growing to 14…the logistics of it just become too convoluted. From a competitive standpoint, as a Florida fan, FSU joining would be bad for us, though I woudln’t mind them joining. UF already has to compete with FSU for instate talent, with UF playing in the SEC being a major draw for recruits….I don’t really want that advantage to go away

by Cardsfan25 on Feb 16, 2010 8:38 PM EST reply actions  

As far as I'm concerned, Florida State and Georgia Tech would be off the table

Georgia Tech was in the conference. They left, and left several SEC teams in the lurch in the process. Florida State had its chance circa 1990. The Seminoles opted for the ACC instead. Both programs had their chance and they made the wrong choice. One shot is all they get. Next, please.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 17, 2010 6:34 AM EST up reply actions  

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