Sprints Looks at Bobby Petrino and Dan Mullen as Possible Replacements for Urban Meyer // 12.09.10
URBAN MEYER'S RE-RETIREMENT
Earlier on Team Speed Kills
- Urban Meyer Resigning Again?
- Urban Meyer Resigns
- Candidates to Replace Urban Meyer
The decision
Alligator Army live-blogged it with aplomb.
The off-field issues
Urban Meyer probably got a bit more of the blame than he deserved for the arrest rate -- though that goes with the territory -- and not enough credit for a pretty good graduation rate. However, it's hard to say that he was a rousing success when it comes to discipline.
Here's the thing
If you want to criticize Urban Meyer for something related to this decision, criticize him some for the players he recruited to Gainesville in the offseason and some for the coaches -- three of whom were hired before this season -- who are now wondering what their future holds. Even then, though, it's hard to blame him unless he knew he was going to retire this year, or was likely to.
Paul Myerberg's take
If you're a Meyer fan, you won't want to read this one. It's, um, tough.
His decision to return cost Florida a season, one that may alter the power structure in the Sunshine State for the near future. Florida State is a program on the rise; thanks to this season’s mediocrity -- the Meyer-led mediocrity -- Florida must dig itself out of a hole. ...
Meyer is gone, but it’s no big loss. Florida was falling apart under the seams under his watch, thanks to the poor job his staff did in acclimating a talented 2010 recruiting class to the incumbent roster coming off a 13-win 2009 season.
One thing I can't stand about Myerberg is that he never tells you what he really thinks.
You know, I can't really blame them
Apparently, the Sentinel had a hard time getting in touch with Bobby Bowden. So ...
"He's done as great a job at the University of Florida as has been done there, or anywhere else. I admire the way he handles himself and I really like his family. The college coaching profession will really miss him."
-Bobby Bowden, former Florida State head coach (reacting to Meyer's first resignation announcement in 2009) [Emphasis added.]
Generally, you could question whether it is within the bounds of journalistic norms to quote someone on the first retirement when dealing with the second retirement. But given the circumstances, and the unlikeliness of Bowden changing his mind, why not?
Be careful what you wish for -- and you know the rest
The Mayor goes a few steps down the road to paint this as almost unquestionably good for the Dawgs. As someone whose team would benefit from at least part of what the Mayor is talking about, I think he's going a bit too far.
In short, it is too early yet to know for sure, but there is the distinct possibility that two of Georgia’s three biggest rivals are about to get worse ... and Mark Richt is 9-1 all-time against the third. Skeptics have asked, somewhat sensibly, how the Bulldogs will be better in 2011. To that reasonable inquiry, I now respond simply: we don’t have to be better, as long as everybody else is worse.
We'll talk more about the impact on the East later, but that's tall words coming from the fan of a team that didn't have a winning record against Ron Zook.
The other extreme
It's a little hard to say based on a season that Florida was struggling and / or would continue to have a hard time winning in Gainesville. However, this is the part that a lot of SEC East fans who find themselves celebrating might do well to remember.
The short list at Florida, it seems, is Bob Stoops and Dan Mullen. Either one will bring a staff that's superior to what the 2010 Gators had, and I have no doubt that they're capable of carrying on the winning tradition in Gainesville.
It's hard to see the same athletics director who hired Ron Zook making the same mistake again. Then again, it is the same athletics director who hired Ron Zook.
When a word makes all the difference in the world
Florida fans who want Dan Mullen might have to at least see if the apparent first choice on Florida's list will say "no." And I'm not saying a word right now.
At the top of the list: Arkansas coach Bobby Petrino, who according to a source was Foley’s No.2 option when he hired Meyer from Utah after the 2004 season -- and the No.1 choice when Meyer resigned last season before returning a day later. Petrino’s contract with Arkansas has a non-compete clause for teams in the SEC West Division -- but not the East Division.
Nope. Not saying anything right now. If this happens, I will have a lot to say, but I'll just be quiet for now.
Some Arkansas fans think Petrino might go
First of all, kudos to John Expat for making this statement, which is actually further out on this limb than I'd be willing to go.
My totally uninformed personal take is that if Florida offers the job to Petrino, he'll likely go. After all, Florida is a top five job and would be very hard to turn down, even if he has an undeniably good thing going in Fayetteville.
But I'm not sure that I buy this entirely.
If we dodge this bullet it could mean that Petrino will be at Arkansas for a long time...there aren't a lot of better opportunities out there than this one, and by all public accounts he seems quite happy with the situation he's in. Wouldn't that just drive the ESPN talking heads crazy?
This is just a quibble, but is it really that much of an accomplishment to be able to say that Petrino stayed at Arkansas because he couldn't get one of the offers that would drive him away? That seems like something far away from a stirring endorsement of his character.
Scott Stricklin is calmer than I would be
Dan Mullen says "he is 'absolutely' committed and happy in Starkville," according to Marcello, which would be encouraging for the Western Division Bulldogs if we had the full quote and if it had an actual denial in there. But AD Scott Stricklin is urging calm, so that should make everyone feel better.
State students make their pitch
It's an interesting tactic if nothing else.
It might help if they paid him something close to what Meyer was making
Or at least more than Florida is likely to offer Mullen, which will be much more than last or next-to-last in the SEC.
But can Florida beat Miami?
It looks like the Hurricanes could move quickly, which could leave Dan Mullen with a difficult decision to make.
Among the coaches who have spoken to UM about the job are Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen, Connecticut coach Randy Edsall and Texas Tech coach Tommy Tuberville.
Bo Pelini seems to be the center of attention right now, but that could just be an attempt to outline the pros and cons of the latest names in the search. Miami needs to move quickly if they really want Mullen. If there's nothing by early next week, the Canes are willing to let Mullen go to Gainesville.
So I guess I need to apologize for my apology
Urban, please make up your mind. For those not following along: The last time Urban Meyer retired and detired, I predicted that it "will not end will." Then, for a while those concerns seemed overblown, leading me this summer to say:
If Zen Urban Meyer leads Florida to a 5-7 season because Yanni just isn't inspiring enough for a football coach, I reserve the right to pull a Joe Barton and retract this little mea culpa. ...
We'll see soon enough if there will be reason to issue another "mea culpa" on this post.
As I said back then: "Yes. Well."
I apologize for the apology, at least until such point as Urban Meyer changes his mind again, when I'll apologize for the apology for the apology.
OTHER NEWS
The options for dealing with the Cammy-Cam Loophole
John Infante outlines the options for dealing with the issues raised by the Cam Newton decision.
Off Tackle Empire sees SEC and Up North Conference potentially splitting their bowl games
Fast version: Ohio State defeats Arkansas, Penn State and Florida even, Mississippi State favored against Michigan and Alabama defeats Michigan State. You can read the whole thing at the link, but remember that you'll have to read very, very slowly.
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Mullen
If Dan Mullen takes the job, he’ll be in a nearly impossible situation. What’s the thing you keep hearing? “They haven’t been the same since Mullen left.” “There was a big dropoff after Mullen left.” etc.
If he does come, there will definitely be those expecting 2007-08 level performances every year. Good luck with that, Danny.
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I agree...
To Meyer’s credit, the bar has been set so high in Gainesville that this job could becoming a coaching mill, just grinding out guys who come in and win, but don’t attain the same success that Meyer had.
And I just don’t see Petrino at UF. I don’t think he’s Foley’s kind of guy.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
Couldn't this be said of other coaches though?
If it is, say, Petrino, wouldn’t there be an expectation of the offense resuming its dominant ways as well, just in a different fashion?
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
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by Billy Gomila on Dec 9, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
The expectations at Florida are probably permanently out of control until the program goes through a down decade or something. But, Petrino would be converting the offense to an entirely different style. That will buy him some time. Plus, he’d set his own benchmark from there on out.
Mullen’s been here before. Even in 2007-08, there were a lot of people that griped about him for fixating on Tebow and Harvin (even though they’re two of the best players of the last decade of SEC football). Mullen’s regard with a lot of Gators is far higher now than it was when he was in town, and as a result, they’ll expect miracles right out of the gate.
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Good point
Would there be patience for a conversion to an offense more fitting Petrino’s style, though?
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by Billy Gomila on Dec 10, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
For one year, yes.
Meyer got a pass on 2005, but only after winning big in 2006. People were ready to run Dan Mullen out of town after 2006 though, because presiding over two consecutive seasons of mediocre offense was unacceptable.
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Plus
Petrino’s offense is in many ways a modernized version of Spurrier’s Fun ‘n Gun. After the last two years, simply calling for several passes more than 15 yards down the field a game will give him more leeway than you can imagine. Even in the best of days, Meyer and Mullen didn’t throw the ball down the field enough for some Gators.
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Sure, go with Petrino
I needed a fresh reason to hate Florida.
But seriously, I can’t imagine any situation where they don’t wave enough dollar signs under Mullen’s nose to make it happen. And it really shouldn’t take all that many. And then… the East is going to be very boring again for a while.
Petrino has more than dollars to consider...
As a person who has had to make some hiring/firing choices in the past, I think there are some other considerations when considering Petrino for Florida or any other job right now.
And yes, I am an Arkansas homer who would hate to loose him. Does that color my take on things? Sure!
One of the things I look at in a potential employee is their hiring history. I’m not sure that anyone needs a reminder that Bobby’s history is not one that inspires confidence in a prospective employer that would be looking not only for quality talent, but also for a long term commitment – which I think is definitely a qualification for Florida. Let’s face it, the stars were uniquely aligned to bring Arkansas and Petrino together three years ago. Both the Razorbacks’ and the Falcons’ programs were in a death spiral of personnel issues, bad PR, and general confusion. Both parties could join together and weather the criticism of the hiring choice and the mid-season desertion. Petrino himself should also be concerned for his image as an employee. I KNOW! I KNOW! What about his previous behavior would make anyone think that he cares about that? But what I recall about Petrino’s image prior to leaving the Falcons was one that was VERY similar to the current image possessed by Gus Malzahn. Gus is currently considered an offensive genius and a highly motivated innovator – and he seems to make the short list for every HC job out there – But he hasn’t stayed anywhere for more than three years either – and NO ONE is giving him a hard time about that. Why? Because they were all good moves that were well motivated by his talent and ambition. Petrino was perceived the same way – all the way up until the Falcons debacle. So now Bobby is not only considering whether or not the Florida (or any other) job would be a good vertical move, he is also having to consider that Arkansas is his last chance to save his reputation. Yes; Florida, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC, and other institutions would be historically vertical moves for him. But if I were him, I would have to be considering the value of staying at Arkansas and gaining the reputation (And in the process, erasing another reputation) of a guy who decided to lay down roots and build a perennial SEC power. What about Arkansas’ commitment to football – administratively, talent-wise, or fanbase – would lead him to believe he could not do so?
A bit “pie-in-the-sky”? Possibly. But how can he and Florida NOT be considering such a thing should they choose to work together?
Malzahn
The move from Tulsa to Auburn fits yoour pattern but his move from Arkansas following the departure of Nutt to Ole Miss is a differnt kettle of fish. Also, he’s an assistant and not a head coach. That makes a difference.
by PalmettoTiger on Dec 9, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, yes
I knew I should have reviewed the timeline. I still stand by my points that due to the situation in Arkansas with Nutt (how’s that?) and that because he’s an assistant, his moves are not looked at the same way as those of a HC.
by PalmettoTiger on Dec 9, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, they aren't identical.
But I still say the situations bear comparison. Where, oh where, is any of the criticism of Petrino as a heartless, ladder-climbing, neer-do-well prior to his Atlanta defection? Most people thought that he was climbing the ladder as any talented coach does. Then came the Falcons mess and POOF all of a sudden his previous career moves are seen in a different light.
No, that's not true
There was a lot of criticism of his participation in the attempted coup d’etat at Auburn after the 2003 season and his continuous search for another job almost from the moment he took the Louisville job.
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
I like a good Big Rust Belt dig as much as anybody,
but you really set it up on a tee with “you’ll have to read very, very slowly”. It won’t take them but one or two days to see the obvious comeback.
"They've just discovered a new use for sheep over there at Clemson... wool." - Lewis Grizzard
by GwinnettGamecock on Dec 9, 2010 11:45 AM EST reply actions
Not Petrino, probably not Mullen
I can’t imagine that Jeremy Foley is not going after Chris Petersen . . . the time is right.
Petersen has to realize that Boise State will never control its own destiny to the National Championship, and even one loss means playing way down in the bowl pecking order.
If Petersen wants to be remembered as more than an outlier, going to Florida gives him a chance to prove how good he is.
(Mullen might be the sentimental favorite, but he has only two seasons as head coach; after Zook, I think Foley will want a longer and better track record).
this is what i was thinking too
Mullen might be the sentimental favorite, but he has only two seasons as head coach
i hope Mullen stays, and he isnt ‘proven’ yet. i hope/think he’ll continue to improve the program @ State.
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by CoastalCowbell on Dec 9, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Its Bob Stoops...
then Chris Peterson. Foley still loves Stoops from the Spurrier days. He took it for a day when Speurrier left, and was called on it when Urban quit the first time. Rumored to be %mil a year.
Peterson…do I have to even say why UF/SEC is a better job than Boise. Unless he thinks he can’t cut it in the bigs.

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