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Vanderbilt offensive line coach Herb Hand knows the two offensive minds in the national title game better than perhaps anyone. He worked with Gus Malzahn for two seasons and helped teach Chip Kelly about spread offense football. He has some interesting things to say about these two guys.

Also of note is that three of the last six national title game participants have been adherents to the hurry-up offense: both teams this year and 2008 Oklahoma. Given how much coaches tend to be copycats, this could be a sign of big things to come.

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Any chance the rules committee takes another look at the hurry-up?

As I recall, Richt ran the hurry-up in his first few years at Georgia until it was stopped for some reason.

Frankly, as a spectator, I wouldn’t mind seeing it outlawed. Offenses have enough advantages on a defense as it is, and the hurry-up isn’t even a schematic advantage, like the spread formation or the triple option. It’s just a pace that doesn’t allow the D to substitute. So, of course the D gets gassed and the game becomes utterly predictable at that point. If your opponent’s D has had the same 11 players on the field for a long drive, at some point, any play will work against them.

You’re not outsmarting them, you’re just taking advantage of a rules structure that inherently favors the offense, because Americans have crippling ADD and require lots of scoring to stay tuned.

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by aproposdenada on Dec 6, 2010 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

Not likely

I haven’t seen anything to indicate that anyone is all that upset about it. Defensive coordinators aren’t happy about it, of course, but beyond that, I’ve seen nothing.

Besides, it really only works if your offense was already good. If a bad offense tried the hurry-up, it just means their three-and-outs come quicker and their own defense wears down. See: Florida versus South Carolina last month,

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by Year2 on Dec 6, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

this

if youre getting gashed on D, call a timeout & regroup. the hurry-up is within the rules. good teams win out with it.

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by CoastalCowbell on Dec 6, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah

And also, um, see also: Vanderbilt 2009, the worst SEC offense in recent memory. The hurry-up did nothing for them, and in fact only made things worse.

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by Year2 on Dec 6, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I get that, but think about the standard you're applying

“As long as some people aren’t very good at it, we should keep it legal.” Apply that standard elsewhere in society, i.e., the various forms of financial chicanery that brought on the banking collapse in 2008. Some people killed on CDOs; others got killed. Just because some people are a good at a thing that others are bad at, it doesn’t make that thing less objectively unfair.

I dunno, I guess it just seems odd to me that the offense gets to dictate completely the timing. Imagine if defense had the same prerogative and could line up and force the offense to do the same before they had a play ready or the right personnel for it. It still wouldn’t be half as unfair, because the offense at least knows what range of plays it’ll use for a given down/distance.

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by aproposdenada on Dec 7, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s just a consequence of the rules of the game. In every sport but baseball, the offense controls the tempo.

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by Year2 on Dec 8, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

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