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REPORTING

I don't see how anyone can be upset at Pete Thamel or ESPN's three reporters in this case. The NCAA is investigating Cameron Newton in the way described by those four. That's a fact. It is a newsworthy fact. Reporters report the news. The fact that they also looked into the financial difficulties of Cecil Newton's church is fair game here for two reasons: one, it was already public knowledge that his church was in danger of being torn down, and two, it describes an institution from whom the NCAA requested bank records.

The most persistent rumor regarding the reporting is that Urban Meyer tipped off Pete Thamel. I've yet to see anyone suggest that Meyer tipped off ESPN's reporters. So if that's the case, how did ESPN's guys find out about it later while doing a much more thorough job of reporting on it?

Thamel cites four entities in his report: John Bond, SEC associate commissioner Greg Sankey, "a person briefed on the offer," and other news outlets including ESPN. He also mentions that Meyer declined to comment via text message. ESPN cites Bond, multiple unnamed sources, a Lexis search, Cecil Newton himself, Jackie Newton (Cam's mother), Sankey, several NCAA officials, Mississippi State, Auburn, the NFLPA, and other media reports.

Part of the disparity is because ESPN had three people working on it while Thamel's only one guy. The far larger number of sources hints to me that ESPN got wind of this first. Plus, during his only public interview last week, Bond only mentioned ESPN and never brought up the New York Times. If you ask me, it appears that the WWL was on the case first. Pat Forde, Chris Low, and Mark Schlabach are all as well connected in the SEC as anyone.

If you want to get mad at somebody, get mad at Thayer Evans. He broke the story about Newton's cheating while at Florida. That information is not really newsworthy. It sheds no light on the NCAA's investigation. It's immaterial to the issue of whether Newton is eligible to play at Auburn. It's merely gossip and never should have been made public.

MOTIVATIONS

This ongoing story is almost like a Rorschach test. You can see whatever you want to see and find motivations for whoever you want to find motivations for.

Clearly, some people out there think Meyer's behind everything. The motivation? He's looking to deflect attention away from his team and tear down the great one who got away. Or he wants Newton declared ineligible before the SEC title game (as though leaking information has ever made the NCAA police go faster). If you want to believe that, okay.

Meyer leaking things only works though if he doesn't get caught. If he did spur the reports, it sends a powerful message to recruits: Don't play for Florida. If something doesn't work out, he's going to bury you. I can't think of a single thing Meyer's done that would hurt recruiting other than his detirement, and that ran deeper than football. Plus, after Meyer's name was attached to the first leak, why would he leak this new story too? Any short term victory regarding Newton being declared ineligible would by pyrrhic at best because of the long term damage done to his program's credibility.

Besides, the story broke the week after Florida's win over Georgia, one that he called the biggest win of his career. Why would he want to deflect attention from that? And if Meyer leaked the story about Newton cheating, he'd be breaking federal privacy laws. Going to jail is not in his interest either. 

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If you think Meyer's the only person that could have leaked the cheating story, you're nuts. Everyone inside the football program and the higher-ups in the atheltics department had to have known. Students who were on the honor court would have known too. And as long as we're trying to find motivations, who else could have done it? Dan Mullen knew, and he might still be upset about losing Newton and/or looking to back up his former boss and friend! Greg McGarity knew, and his team is playing Auburn this weekend! Billy Gonzalez would have known, and LSU needs two Auburn losses to get to Atlanta! Where did those black helicopters come from?

Spencer Hall mentioned on Bomani Jones's radio show this morning that the original story about Newton being investigated was bubbling up from a lot of places last week. Someone from an SEC staff (not a coach, a worker of some sort) tipped him off that something was brewing with Newton. Spencer wouldn't say who his source works for, but from the way he talked about it, it didn't sound like it came from any of the three schools involved. 

There are a lot of loose lips around the conference. 

WHO CAN YOU TRUST?

Everyone involved has issue denials. The Newtons deny asking for money. Rogers denies shopping Newton. Mississippi State and Auburn deny any wrongdoing. Bond denies that Meyer was involved. Meyer himself has finally gone on record today, saying "For anyone to think that I or anyone on our staff may have leaked information about private student records to the media doesn't know us very well. It's a ridiculous claim and simply not true."

In the end, you have to take everything as data points. We've got a lot of data points, and some contradict others. Right now, I don't believe any reporters had agendas. I don't think Meyer is the smoking gun behind all of this. Could I be wrong? It's possible, but I don't think I am given the information available.

My working theory is this: Rogers is a shady character who worked alone. He knew from working with him that Cam Newton's heart was with Mississippi State, so he tried to get gullible boosters to give him money for what he thought was an inevitable outcome. Word of it got around to Bond, who reported it to Mississippi State. State then passed information to the SEC, who passed it along to the NCAA and to Auburn. The NCAA has been investigating ever since.

A lot of people found out about this matter in that long chain from sources to Bond to MSU to the SEC to the NCAA and Auburn. Someone out of the dozens of people tipped off ESPN, and somewhere after that Thamel got wind of it. Word began to get out beyond media institutions, as Spencer described, and ESPN and Thamel had to go public with what they had last week. Thamel, being late in the game, could only tweet about it, but ESPN had a thorough report ready and published it. Thamel then used ESPN's reporting to fill out his own.

That could be entirely wrong, but that's my guess at this point. It's the simplest explanation with the fewest moving parts.

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The most persistent rumor regarding the reporting is that Urban Meyer tipped off Pete Thamel. I’ve yet to see anyone suggest that Meyer tipped off ESPN’s reporters. So if that’s the case, how did ESPN’s guys find out about it later while doing a much more thorough job of reporting on it?

Pat Forde and Pete Thamel are known to be tight and share information about stories continuously. It is why Thamel got the Eric Bledsoe stuff to report on. This isn’t conspiracy.

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by btcoop71 on Nov 9, 2010 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

And Thamel's and ESPN's stories were posted at almost the exact same time

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by btcoop71 on Nov 9, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Thamel and Forde thrive on trying to take down a big name

It is their way of trying to get to the top of their game, facts be damned.

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by btcoop71 on Nov 9, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

“He broke the story about Newton’s cheating while at Florida. That information is not really newsworthy. It sheds no light on the NCAA’s investigation. It’s immaterial to the issue of whether Newton is eligible to play at Auburn. "

While I agree that this issue is immaterial to the specific question of whether Auburn paid Newton, I disagree that it’s “not newsworthy.” Violations of the honor code are serious business and expulsion worthy, and thus at least as newsworthy as the laptop fiasco.

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by 4.0 Point Stance on Nov 9, 2010 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

I would have to agree

However, whoever has leaked this information has acted just as dishonorably as Newton did for breaking the academic honor code. Its newsworthy, but its also inappropriate, but it does speak at least to some level as to Newton’s own credibility. I still don’t quite know what to make of this entire story. There is smoke, but it also seems that there are a lot of people looking to burn this kid, and he may not be to blame for any of it on the recruiting end.

by BamaThrasher on Nov 9, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

The laptop issue got him arrested. Arrest records are public and therefore, in my estimation, fair game for the media to report on.

Academic records not only are a private matter, but federal law says they should be a private matter or else. Newton was not expelled, so it’s not newsworthy. Even if he had been, there’s a difference between “expelled for academic reasons” and “expelled because of three instances of breaking the honor code, which were A, B, and C.” The latter is what happened in this case (minus the expulsion part), and it’s a breach of privacy.

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by Year2 on Nov 9, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see both points of view, but I think it is newsworthy because it fills in certain gaps in the original story. When Newton left there was a general impression that he had been on thin ice with Meyer for a while and that the theft was merely the last incident that pushed things over the edge. But – as far as I recall – there was no hard information on what those previous incidents had been. Now, assuming the source is accurate, we know. (Whether the source behaved ethically or legally is a different matter from whether they leaked information of value, and they should be kept distinct.)

by peachy rex on Nov 9, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

“Now, assuming the source is accurate, we know.”

I think the question is whether we should know. Just because we want to know something, or because something adds to our knowlwdge base doesn’t make simething newsworthy.

The only thing this report can do is make people think less of Cam Newton. I don’t remember that from any of my journalism classes as one of the reaspns to report a story.

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by cocknfire on Nov 9, 2010 3:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

"Now, assuming the source is accurate, we know."
I think the question is whether we should know. Just because we want to know something, or because something adds to our knowledge base doesn’t make something newsworthy.

The only thing this report can do is make people think less of Cam Newton. I don’t remember that from any of my journalism classes as one of the reasons to report a story.

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by cocknfire on Nov 9, 2010 4:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree that whoever leaked this info should be subject to serious sanction if they violated federal law. But the fact that it’s legally protected as private information doesn’t magically mean the allegations aren’t true, or that it’s not relevant to show his character. Cheating absolutely does reflect poorly on Newton’s character. You can certainly argue that it reflects poorly on the leaker’s character as well, but that doesn’t let Newton off the hook.

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by 4.0 Point Stance on Nov 9, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Newton’s character doesn’t need to be dissected in public. He personally has not been accused of anything in the current NCAA investigation. No one has a right to know why he left Florida. If he wants to keep that private (and he did), then no one needs to know why he left.

He’s not being prosecuted by anyone for anything, not that the NCAA’s courts are anything equivalent to real courts. There’s no practical need for anyone to dredge up every detail about his life to try to come to some sort of judgment about his character.

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by Year2 on Nov 9, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

"Newton’s character doesn’t need to be dissected in public."

We don’t “need” to worry about whether Auburn will be required to forfeit its games; we don’t “need” to care about who wins the SEC; we don’t “need” to pay any attention to college football at all.

But we do, or we wouldn’t be on this website. And once you’ve gone down that rabbit hole, it’s disingenuous to say Newton’s character is simply not at issue, because his character is directly related to all three of the issues I listed above. The allegations that he solicited money from schools (and frankly at this point I find Bond’s story highly suspect) are extremely newsworthy, and closely related to whether he has good “character,” If he did cheat at UF – like it or not – reflects on his character. Would it be admissible in a court of law? Obviously not. But this isn’t a court of law, and I’m not a juror.

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by 4.0 Point Stance on Nov 9, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Except that he never was accused according to Florida sources

See here: http://auburn.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1150363 All that currently exists is an accusation of an accusation at this point. Also, it is worth noting that the statement “The allegations that he solicited money from schools” is incorrect since he (Newton) has not been accused of that.

If accusations speak to the character of newton then what do inaccurate statements or accusations speak to?

by PalmettoTiger on Nov 9, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Year2
Academic records not only are a private matter, but federal law says they should be a private matter or else.

Tell that to Pete Thamel. He printed Eric Bledoe’s transcripts even though there is federal law against it,.

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by btcoop71 on Nov 9, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

Whoever supplied the transcripts in both cases is on the hook for violating the law, but there is a difference between the situations.

In Bledoe’s case, the information directly affected Bledsoe’s eligibility. The consequences could have been far reaching: Kentucky could have had to vacate wins, forfeit money gained from the tournament, face NCAA sanctions, etc.

In Newton’s case, there are no consequences to the information other than Newton’s character being dragged through mud. It doesn’t affect his eligibility. No wins were in danger of being vacated. No universities could have lost money. No sanctions could be levied.

In both cases, someone should not have gone to the press with that sensitive information. That said, I can understand publishing Bledsoe’s information because it affected more people and institutions than just him. That’s not the case with Newton.

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by Year2 on Nov 9, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed that there is a difference

Just agreeing that neither should have gone public.

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by btcoop71 on Nov 9, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think your splitting hairs if you get into how we define Newsworthy

esp in 2010. The story is newsworthy because people want to know about it and are willing to discuss it… ad nauseum, as we will all find out.

Just because you disagree with it being public knowledge and how it leaked doesn’t mean it’s not news, especially on the heals of the most recent recruiting information involving the Newtons and the whole way he left UF which didn’t make a lot of sense when broken down.

Tell CNN that things Lindsay Lohan tweets isn’t newsworthy, because apparently, it is.

by knowshon loves legos on Nov 9, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

No offense, bro

Holding up CNN’s Twitter fetish as a measuring stick for what’s newsworthy is not a compelling argument.

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by Year2 on Nov 9, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I know I'm a "crazy" UK fan

But we have been screaming about Forde and Thamel for a long time and no one would belive us. Now that it isn’t about UK, people are seeing the light.

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by btcoop71 on Nov 9, 2010 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

Agree!

When Thamel and Forde are are printing academic records, misquoting “sources”,and failing to acknowledge the use of translators it’s fine as long as it’s about UK. I get it, it’s cool to hate UK and their so-called slimy coach. I just want people to recognize their hypocrisy.
And for the record, I’m no Auburn or Newton fan (although he is a great player) but I won’t be accusing Newton of any wrong-doing until there is proof. Anything coming from Forde or Thamel can’t be taken seriously at this point.

by WILDashellCAT on Nov 9, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

The link between Thamel/Forde/Evans

Better explained by Matt Jones on KSR

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by btcoop71 on Nov 9, 2010 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

I’m not ready yet to fully trust the Auburn Rivals site that’s reporting that.

It reported the story that Meyer was behind everything. The source? “People close to Bond.” The site’s writers doesn’t believe information Bond reported to Mississippi State about Rogers was true because it was third hand… but it will repeat third hand information about what Bond was saying to those close to him and claim it as fact. Something about that doesn’t line up.

It also published an opinion piece rounding up every denial from every party… except Meyer’s. It mentioned Bond’s denial of Meyer’s involvement in passing, but that’s it.

I’m not calling the site disreputable, but I have some reservations about it.

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by Year2 on Nov 9, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

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