Topics for Discussion // 10.03.10
Who's the favorite in the SEC East? South Carolina might have looked the best among the division's teams Saturday, but only because the Gamecocks were on a bye. Florida was waxed by Alabama and Georgia lost to Colorado. Kentucky, Tennessee and Vanderbilt all lost as well. The Dawgs are all but mathematically eliminated, the Wildcats and Volunteers are close behind and no one expects a championship run from the Commodores. By process of elimination, that leaves South Carolina and Florida; who've you got?
Alabama's odds of winning the SEC West are now at ... Meanwhile, the West has looked almost as good as the East has looked mediocre. Auburn, LSU and even Arkansas all have a reasonable chance at winning the division, but Alabama has to lose at least once for any of them to do so. Who's got the best chance of taking the division if Alabama doesn't? Or is that even a question worth asking at this point?
Is LSU ever going to lose a game? We always knew that Les Miles had a trunk full of rabbits' feet, but this is getting more than a little bit ridiculous. That said, the Bayou Bengals are 5-0 and the only team in the SEC that has defeated five BCS teams. And all the wins count the same in the standings, whether you win them by 17 in convincing fashion or two in a last-second slapstick comedy. The Tigers' ceiling for this season is ...
How many games does Georgia win the rest of the season? Here's the schedule: Tennessee, Vanderbilt, at Kentucky, vs. Florida, Idaho State, at Auburn and Georgia Tech. So there's the sure win against Idaho State, maybe Vanderbilt, and then ... Is Vanderbilt even a sure thing at this point? Do you think Mark Richt even makes it to the Georgia Tech game without being fired?
True or false: The league's best chance at a Heisman Trophy is Cameron Newton. Ryan Mallett and Mark Ingram both began the season as front-runners, but the loss to Alabama is an obstacle for the former, and the latter has only 308 yards on the season after missing the first two games and getting just 47 yards Saturday. Is Newton the best candidate of the three? Is Ingram still in the race to repeat? Am I missing a candidate?
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The league's best chance at a Heisman Trophy is Denard Robinson being found ineligible
I cannot remember ever seeing anyone who was such a clear frontrunner this early in the season. This kid is averaging 10 ypc on running plays and 10 ypa on passing plays. He’s like Bo Jackson plus David Klinger combined. And make no mistake, Michigan is a terrible team. He’s all that’s standing between 5-0 and 1-4 as far as they’re concerned. Barring a season ending injury, everyone else is playing for second place.
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by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 3, 2010 11:52 AM EDT reply actions
As an Auburn fan...
……I have to agree with you. Cam may be the best player in the SEC, but he’s not quite been as impressive as Robinson. I’d love to see Auburn and Michigan meet in Glendale. Auburn’s D-line has knocked every QB they’ve played woozy by the 4th quarter…
Cam may be the best player in the SEC,
Oh god…PLEASE tell me that was a joke…
Alabama football....The only addiction God wholeheartedly approves of..
shocking!
A guy with 4 total comments, sees my name and rushes to the conclusion that im only saying that cause im a bama fan…..THATS NEVER HAPPEN BEFORE!
Fact is bud…Cam isn’t the best player in the SEC. He’s the best player on his team, but not the best player in the entire conference.
Alabama football....The only addiction God wholeheartedly approves of..
I'd like to see how Newton performs when some DC figures out how to force him to win throwing the ball...
But I would have to agree that he’s looked extremely good so far.
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He looks extremely good...
…and being the best player in the SEC are entirely different things. He has played 5 games, all of 2 against SEC opponents.
He has not been playing in the SEC for 3 years at a high level like either Ingram or Peterson. He has been better than anyone could have reasonably expected so far but the SEC schedule has a way of making even good players look mediocre at times.
I'm biased, of course.
…..He’s been pretty danged good, thus far. Even just as far as SEC quarterbacks, he hasn’t turnovered a game away, or even had a half like Greg McElroy had in the first half in Fayetteville. Good thing for those schools the All-SEC QB isn’t being picked yet!
…..We’ve still got to see what coordinators like Jon Chavis and Saban/Smart do for Cam. Even Arkansas will flood the box with defenders and make Cam throw it, I think. Newton’s still got a lot to prove, but he’s been pretty stout, so far.
…..I too am waiting to see what he does through October, and November. I’m excited.
I think we can say
That he’s been the most impressive player in the SEC so far.
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I will give my North Carolina for Tennessee Today. Apparently.
id have to go with
Peterson on that one…that guy is ridiculous…
Alabama football....The only addiction God wholeheartedly approves of..
The league’s best chance at a Heisman Trophy is Cameron Newton – i’d say FALSE!
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by Dollie Woodrum on Oct 10, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
no one is
arguing whether or not he’s a great player. Obviously he’s cam-azing….but i think he needs to play an entire season at an elite level before being claimed the conferences “best” player.
Alabama football....The only addiction God wholeheartedly approves of..
Haha
You need to relax, bammer.
I know you read my earlier comment on this post since you’ve been checking up on me. You’ll see that I did not agree that he is the best. But to say that it is out of the question or a “joke” just shows your bias.
Now you can go ahead and flame me some more and call me “bud” ironically again.
im a sarcasic person
so i just returned the favor. People just tend to react to what im saying because of my name…im cool with that
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In all kinds of weather...
Who’s the favorite in the SEC East?
The SEC East favorite should be clear after next weekend. Florida-LSU and Carolina-Bama. My guess is the Gamecocks give the Tide a better game than the Gators, but I still think UF is the team to beat.
Alabama’s odds of winning the SEC West are now at …
the same level as before. Clear favorite, but I still say that there’s a loss there somewhere. There is no way LSU wins the West (see below). Arkansas needs to win all the rest of their games and have Bama to lose twice; both of those seem unlikely. Auburn has the best chance to take the west over Alabama. They already passed their test from the other division. Even if Auburn loses once between now and then, the Iron Bowl will decide the West. Obviously the final score of Bama-Florida looks good for the Tide, but the Gators left 22 points
Is LSU ever going to lose a game?
Yes. LSU’s offense is sputtering and their coaching and management is just embarrassing. They are going to get run off the field by at least two West teams, probably three. Call me a homer if you want, but I think Florida is going to wipe the field with LSU next weekend as well. LSU will be lucky to have a winning record over their last 7 games. I put their ceiling at 9-3, with 8-4 more likely and 7-5 very possible.
How many games does Georgia win the rest of the season?
Four. Idaho State + 2 from {Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt} + 1 from {Florida, Auburn, Georgia Tech}. I doubt Richt will be fired, but let me mention that if Mike Leach replaces him, it would be much harder for me to hate Georgia.
True or false: The league’s best chance at a Heisman Trophy is Cameron Newton.
Totally true. If his numbers stay the same and they find a way to knock off undefeated Alabama, he’s going to New York, possibly as the front-runner.
1.) I think USCe can handle Florida this year, so I’ll go with them.
2.) 60%….with the other 40% belonging to Auburn. I think the Tigers are the only ones capable of taking them down in the West.
3.) It’s not if…it’s when.
4.) 3
5.) The Heisman has become such a joke IMO. Whoever ESPN decides should win the trophy will win it. That’s the way it was last year and the way it will continue to be, stats be damned.
stats be damned?
Are you kidding me, Ingram had the most impressive stats and performance on the year. There is a stat that is kept by coaches and such off game field, it’s called “Yards after contact”. Over 1000 of Ingrams yards were after contact.
Which means, he was touched by another player and still ran for 1000 yards on the season after initial contact.
That is the stat that won Ingram the Heisman.
And he still barely won because ESPN was pushing Suh
Tebow was the most deserving his JR year, but the talking heads pumped the Big 12 kid, so Tebow lost out with better stats against better competition.
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by GwinnettGamecock on Oct 3, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
And, they sorta' settled that one the field too...
B12 Heisman Hype < anyone with a real defense
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 3, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yards after contact
is an artificial statistic. Like you say, it was used to justify giving Ingram the Heisman when he averaged 118 yards a game while the nation’s leading rusher averaged 144. At the end of the day, yards are yards regardless of how you get them.
really?
So you really think that a stat that is based on breaking tackles and getting tough yards is meaningless and that the quality of the defenses you are rushing against doesn’t matter?
Furthermore, that isn’t even what the Heisman is all about. Aside from having good stats, the person needs to be someone who is the driving force behind a teams success. If you want to make a trophy that is based purely on single stat that doesn’t take into account other factors, then be my guest. But it’ll never be the Heisman trophy I can guarantee that.
Gets pretty old having people who apparently don’t even understand what a trophy is about talk about how others are “doing it wrong”. All you are doing is showing you either have no clue about football, or you made your mind up about who you thought should win it and then just pick up anything you feel adds to that argument.
The Heisman Trophy is not an MVP award. In the Heisman Trust’s own words, it’s supposed to be awarded to “the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity.” I agree that the broken tackles aren’t meaningless and that Ingram was a fine choice for the Heisman last year, but I also think that we put too much emphasis on the team for what is supposed to be an individual award.
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I'd say...
That being the MVP for a winning team is what best exhibits the pursuit of excellence.
The integrity part Ingram has easily, comparable with Tebow in that department, if not exceeding it. Ingram is something special, just an outstanding person in general.
But I do agree to some extent in regards to the winning team deal. They don’t have to be on a NC team or anything, but they need to be the deciding factor on a generally successful team(Stanford last year being an example, Toby was a good nominee).
Yet when you compare Ingram vs Gerhart I think the overall success of the teams will come into play a bit. Especially when in the case of Ingram, individual performances such as last years SC game have a large impact and rightfully so.
LSU defeating 5 BCS Teams
That said, the Bayou Bengals are 5-0 and the only team in the SEC that has defeated five BCS teams.
For that matter, LSU is the only team in the entire country to defeat 5 BCS teams.
I'm certainly on the home team
but we should really look at those 5 “BCS” teams. It ain’t nothing to brag about, and neither are the methods by which we won, in most cases.
My takes on the topics...
1. I’d still bank on Florida. There are problems up front on the Carolina D, and I think Florida wins the head-to-head.
2. Bama got by Arkansas and Florida, and you really can’t say they were lucky. Bama has to go to Baton Rouge, but I don’t see JJ and J-Lee doing ANYTHING against that D. I sez it’s Bama vs. Auburn in T-Town for the title, even if Auburn does suffer the likely loss to the Hogs.
3. I have no words for LSU right now. Our local CBS affiliate (WIAT-42) ran Les Miles’ post-game show. That man can’t even put together a coherent sentence! That said, LSU still has a pretty dynamite defense and explosive special teams units. LSU’s biggest threats left on the schedule are Alabama and Auburn. I figure the LSU Florida game will be a defensive scrum. Who makes the most mistakes?
4. The sad thing about Georgia is that I think they have the talent to run the table from this point. I was wondering how UGA would do with the 3-4. If you’ve got the beef to totally occupy 5 linemen up front, plus speed AND power from both outside linebackers, it’s a great scheme. If not, you’re giving up five yards on running downs plus a weak pass rush. Georgia is beating themselves, mostly. The problem for us Auburn fans is that UGA usually fixes most of their problems by November.
5. I don’t really consider this a serious question yet. If we get through KY, Arky, and LSU undefeated, with Cam’s gaudy stats still intact, then we’ll talk.
Trick question, right?
I figure the LSU Florida game will be a defensive scrum. Who makes the most mistakes?
You did watch the UT game?
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 3, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem for us Auburn fans is that UGA usually fixes most of their problems by November.
Thumb. It’s coming. It’s pretty much the only thing we still know how to do.
SEC East? At this point I would have to say Florida is the favorite, even as bad as they have looked thus far. They have SC in the swamp, but I would not rule out the ‘cocks just yet. They at least showed that they have some talent on offense and one of the best WR’s in the SEC. We will find out this weekend if they have any chance of challenging. I think their biggest problem is how Spurrier steals his QB’s confidence at every opportunity.
Bama’s odds in the West? They are certainly the favorite and have looked like the most complete team from top to bottom in the SEC so far. I’m not sure that being the most complete team will win it for them and I still think they will lose a game against one of the teams with a bye in front of their game down the stretch, but you can’t bet against them just yet. I do think Auburn is their biggest hurdle to get to the SEC CG for the 3rd straight season, but Auburn has some tough games and some questions on both sides of the ball that will remain unanswered through next weekend at least. I’d say they are a 5-1 favorite right now.
LSU losing? Yes. Undoubtedly. I think they will lose to Auburn, Bama, and Arkansas. They have a very, very good defense. They have an SEC Champion caliber defense, but with their coaching difficulties (cough, cough) and no QB on offense, they are bound to be exposed soon enough. It is a shame for LSU fans that he may have saved his job with that call yesterday. The sooner they get rid of Miles the better it will be for LSU, imo.
UGA wins? I would say 3 more. As horrible as they have played this season so far, they still have a ton of talent on that team and can/should have a few good/mediocre games down the stretch. Aaron Murray is going to be very good, but he can not carry the load at this point in his career and their RB’s have dropped the ball in every conceivable way to this point. I think their biggest problem right now is that they do not have the D-line personnel to run that 3-4 this season. They don’t have a huge stop gap NT for the middle and their DE’s are smallish, even for a 4-3 defensive scheme. That and the severe growing pains of completely changing your defensive philosophy on a team that hasn’t had much discipline the past few years has been a disaster. Richt is likely gone after this season.
True or False, CAM? True. The ole Athletic Club and it’s voters have been very stingy with votes for a previous winner in recent years, even when they had better stats that in their Heisman winning campaigns. That combined with the fact that Ingram missed he first couple of games, all but eliminates him. What would his signature win be? They have been and will be favored in every game this season. Ryan Mallet was all but eliminated by his miscues in the Bama game, but he could sneak back into the race if others falter. Cam has the bast chance at it as things look today. That is assuming he continues on his current pace of production. If he were to lead the SEC in rushing, be in the top 5 nationally in pass efficiency, and score a signature win vs a top ranked Alabama team in the Iron Bowl, I can not see another player in the country being a better candidate no matter what they do.
Oh, Denard is getting quite a bit of play, as well...
against equally lousy (worse) competition
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 3, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions

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