Topics for Discussion // 09.26.09
Tim Tebow injured. Perhaps you heard something about this in passing -- it was briefly mentioned on ESPN a couple of times. Urban Meyer pretty much confirmed what everybody who watched the game was thinking: It's a concussion.
"I don't know, I think it's a concussion," Florida coach Urban Meyer said. "I think he'll be all right.
"He took a pretty good shot."
Obviously, there's a lot to break down here and talk about over the next week or so, which is precisely what we'll do. But to get a start: What does this mean for Florida and the SEC? Is the East now within the grasp of Georgia or even a third team like South Carolina or Tennessee? Is Alabama now the undisputed favorite in the conference?
Please explain Georgia. Tell me how a team manages just 10 points against Oklahoma State, has shootouts with South Carolina and Arkansas -- after which both teams score a combined 23 in their next SEC games -- then has another tough game against Arizona State.
Speaking of Arkansas ... The Hogs were supposed to be the up-and-coming team in the SEC this year. Can we officially stick a fork in that storyline, or is there still some life in it? After all, they had no defense in the shootout with Georgia, then had no defense or offense when Alabama annihilated them in Tuscaloosa.
True or false: Alabama looks even better this year than last. The defense is beginning to look just as good, if not better, and Greg McElroy is a substantial upgrade at QB. Meanwhile, there seems to be no drop-off at running back, and Julio Jones and Marquis Maze had some nice receptions against Arkansas. Does this team have any weaknesses that you can see? And even if it does, have LSU and Ole Miss done anything to this point to make you believe that there's someone in the West that can keep Alabama from getting to Atlanta undefeated?
You have to win one SEC game and must choose an existing team. Your options are Ole Miss, Arkansas and South Carolina. Which one do you select and why?
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1. Well, I think the Gators are probably good enough to beat struggling LSU without Tebow, so as long as he’s back for the Georgia game, the Gators should be fine. I still can’t see South Carolina, Arkansas (ech), or any of the rest beating them unless things get wacky, even if Tebow is shaky.
2. I’ll give Joe Cox credit for what he did against South Carolina and at Arkansas, but I’m still not convinced that he’s a great quarterback. The ’Dawgs will struggle at times because of that. However, they have the pieces in place to work through those struggles, as you saw tonight.
3. Well, I still think Arkansas is a threat to win more games than they did last year. They have the offense to win shootouts against teams other than Alabama; the problem today was that ’Bama was just too good for them.
4. Yeah, I think they might be. McElroy looks like a very good quarterback, they’re regrouping quickly on the offensive line, and the defense is one of the nation’s best. FWIW, I think they’re better than Florida whether the Gators have Tebow or not. The Tide have simply proven much more than the Gators. That victory over Va Tech is gaining a lot of traction, as the Hokies appear to be the class of the ACC.
As far as whether or not someone can beat them, I don’t know. Ole Miss obviously has some problems, and LSU looks ripe to be the next top 10 team to go down. I couldn’t see either of those two beating ‘Bama at this point. Maybe Auburn can do it. The Tigers continue to play well while flying under the radar, but they need to prove themselves against a good SEC team. If they can do that, it’s worth remembering that they get Alabama at home to close the season. That game might have upset written all over it if the Tigers are for real.
6. Do you mean which team would most likely win a game? Or which team would you like to play to get the win? If the former, I’d choose South Carolina. The Gamecocks look like a steady if unspectacular team. If the latter, I’d go with Arkansas. The Hogs don’t have a defense. I’d say six or seven wins is their ceiling, and they’ll have to upset a team or two to get there.
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by Gamecock Man on Sep 27, 2009 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In reverse order
South Carolina, b/c of their D and the HBC.
False, Bama looks about the same, given the competition, but that isn’t a bad thing.
Arkansas is done, with no D, no matter how good Mallet is they won’t win many games in the SEC.
Georgia is still an enigma, could be that they are a team that plays to the level of their competition, one thing is certain this is not a standard Mark Richt team.
Florida should be fine, the only thing them hindering them aside from Tebow’s injury, is the odd play calling of the last two games, but for now Bama should be considered the best team in the SEC until Tebow returns to playing. Brantley will do a great job if Tebow can’t make it back by Oct 10th.
by brandond03 on Sep 27, 2009 12:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
- You’re way too quick to bury Florida, my man – this is sounding like the doomiest-and-gloomiest of Florida sites, which will remain unmentioned. It’s also way too early to make any judgement on a Tebow-less future, though if you insist – if this becomes Brantley’s team ahead of schedule, Florida’s odds on winning the division, conference and national titles obviously all shorten, by an increasing amount in each case. But, this is looking like a year when a very solid if unspectacular team could win it all (isn’t that the argument for Alabama? Because frankly, the Gators minus Tebow look an awful lot like the Tide.) This is also looking like a year when a single loss won’t be a fatal impediment for an SEC champ.
- I don’t think even Mark Richt knows what team is going to get off the bus. From #3 down to maybe #7 or 8, the SEC is shaping up to look like a ball of mating snakes.
- Inconsistent offence + anemic defence = occasional big showing amid general mediocrity. They’ll catch somebody on an off-day and light them up, but Arky doesn’t look to have the all-round soundness to make a real challenge. Of course, LSU and Ole Miss are both looking rather less formidable than expected, so even a hot-and-cold team can make waves in the West.
- Assuming it gets there, it appears that Bama won’t face a team in its class until it gets to Atlanta. Ditto Florida. (Bama v a Brantley-led Florida would be a freakish battle of mirror images.) Beating VaTech is nice, but all victories over ACC opponents should come with warning labels… and Arky, FIU and North Texas wasn’t exactly a murderer’s row. I’d be fine with calling Bama the best in the SEC pending further information on Tebow, but when the top teams in East and West don’t play each other in the regular season, #1 in the conference is a fairly cosmetic distinction.
- Um, at the moment South Carolina. I trust its D more than the others, it has the confidence of the big upset, and Garcia hasn’t had a bad game so far. This is, however, subject to change without notice depending on the status on the ball of mating snakes.
by peachy rex on Sep 27, 2009 12:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A.J. Green is the best player in the SEC.
So there. There it is. Regardless of whatever the Bristol stenographers say, he is.
by D.N. Nation on Sep 27, 2009 12:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't disagree with that.
No receiver can influence games the way he can.
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by Gamecock Man on Sep 27, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh
must be weird only having one star on offense
OH SNAP!
Terrence Cody drinks your milkshake!
by Wallacewade04 on Sep 27, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please explain Georgia?
It starts with a “turn” and ends with an “overs.”
I’m increasingly inclined to put stock in the “Joe Cox had the flu” excuse for the Oklahoma State game; other than that, he’s been solid, but not spectacular.
However, the last three games would have been runaway Georgia victories had it not been for the turnovers, of which the Bulldogs have committed three a game for each of the first four weeks.
Take away the giveaways, and the ‘Dawgs beat South Carolina, Arkansas, and Arizona State by at least two touchdowns apiece, and probably more. The Red and Black are keeping the opposition in games that shouldn’t be close by coughing up the football. It really is as simple as that.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 27, 2009 8:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unless, of course, South Carolina had been able to convert red-zone possession to TDs
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
by cocknfire on Sep 27, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding. This argument is beginning to appear incredibly defensive and really stale.
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by Gamecock Man on Sep 27, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too.Much.To.Digest.
Florida will be okie-dokie…I don’t see that underachieving LSU team beating them…of course, this is exactly the kind of game that The Hat has won in his career though. I’d be much more worried about going into the Cocktail Party in a shootout game, or a dangerous So. Car. team without Clark Kent Superman.
UGA turns the ball over a whole lot, and the defensive secondary is coverage/tackle averse. Until they get better there, this team has got some more losing to do.
Put a fork in Arkansas. They’ve got a good offense and are masters of the dirty play but that defense looks worse this year than last. We still had about a buck-fifty on the ground (only) against 8-9 man fronts. They can’t cover, they can’t tackle in space, and they are undersized.
This Alabama team is better in most respects than last year’s version. There are still too many penalties from our rebuilt line, but the early-season kick coverage woes have gotten better each week. This is the most complete team in the SEC. Bar None.
One game…if it’s at home, give me South Carolina, at night. Funky things happen in Columbia, and people forget how to play football there. So Car , is used to this naturally, thus they get the ugly wins.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Sep 27, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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