Does That Count As A Signature Win? South Carolina 16, Ole Miss 10
It was another example of announcer hyperbole when Craig James pronounced that South Carolina must now be considered a Top 15 team. But it's hard to not take the Gamecocks seriously four games into the season.
So far, the Gamecocks have defeated a team expected to contend for the SEC West and almost won a road game against surprisingly good Georgia. South Carolina also claims a win against N.C. State in the sloppy first game of the year and a victory against Florida Atlantic that was too close for too long.
Yes, the win against Ole Miss on Thursday night was history. Never before had South Carolina defeated a Top 5 team at home, and only once in the program's more than 100 years of football had the Gamecocks accomplished the feat anywhere. That win had come 28 years ago.
But should Ole Miss even count toward that record? Based on Thursday's performance, the answer would have to be a resounding no. They were outgained by South Carolina 285-248 despite a 125-yard outburst in the fourth quarter. Jevan Snead was erratic all night long. The rushing game was almost nonexistent until late in the game.
To drive home the point about QB play: Which stat line belongs to Heism@n candidate Jevan Snead and which belongs to a banged up Stephen Garcia?
| COMP | ATT | PCT | YDS | TD | INT | RAT | |
| Quarterback A | 16 | 34 | 47.1 | 220 | 1 | 0 | 111.12 |
| Quarterback B | 7 | 21 | 33.3 | 107 | 1 | 0 | 91.85 |
The set-up probably ruined it, but Quarterback A was Stephen Garcia and Quarteback B is Jevan Snead. Neither line represents an elite performance, but Garcia is a relatively green player just beginning to grasp his offense. Snead is supposed to be a veteran player leading a darkhorse national title candidate, though those dreams are probably over after this game.
This game will feed the perception that Houston Nutt consistently underperforms in the face of high expectations. In this case, at least, it's not entirely unfair. A team with any hopes of going to Atlanta in early December, forgetting Pasadena in January, has to be able to defeat South Carolina.
As far as the Gamecocks go, this just adds another befuddling data point to what has so far been a perplexing season. South Carolina controlled the game for the first three quarters before nearly coughing up the win as they have so many times before. And Ole Miss certainly helped make this a winnable game for the Gamecocks. But for now, this was the kind of win that Steve Spurrier needed to prove that he is doing more than simply making South Carolina consistently average. It's still a tough schedule, but suddenly an eight- or even nine-win season has gone from "wildly improbable" to "possible."
It's not time to put South Carolina in the Top 15 just yet. But for the first time in a couple of years, the idea didn't seem completely laughable.
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by The Feathered Warrior on Sep 25, 2009 12:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They're starting to grow on me
As long as they don’t change the helmets.
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by cocknfire on Sep 25, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A great win for South Carolina. (Hooray for the OBC!)
Now – what happened to Snead in the off-season? And what happens to Ole Miss the rest of the way? (After the inevitable tumble in the polls, of course.)
by peachy rex on Sep 25, 2009 12:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Snead was inconsistent last year too....
…as anyone who was at the OM-Vanderbilt game remembers well. Half a season does not really qualify as consistent excellence.
by PhilipVU94 on Sep 25, 2009 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This game reminded me why I’m glad Houston Nutt isn’t the head coach of my favorite team.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Sep 25, 2009 12:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brandon...
I like the skeptic in you.
But it’s not time to splice this question. This is the best Carolina team we’ve seen in a long time. Will it matter? This is the SEC; maybe not. But this is a football team.
GO ’COCKS!!!
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by Gamecock Man on Sep 25, 2009 1:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Meh.
The media trys to cover their asses when their stupidity is exposed. Rather than admit that Ole Miss just wasn’t all that good, they’d jump on the South Carolina bandwagon. This happens with nearly every huge underdog win and it’s ridiculous.
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by ejruiz on Sep 25, 2009 2:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so nagative
USC has a top 15 defense and even you cant deny that!
by Hook85 on Sep 25, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great win for the Gamecocks
As a Georgia fan, I now feel much better about our offense (South Carolina’s defense is as good as advertised) and much worse about our defense (Georgia never should have given up that many points to the Palmetto State Poultry).
I hope this also gives Gamecock fans a little more perspective on Tyrone Nix. He may not be Ellis Johnson, but he’s a good defensive coordinator.
I would quibble with a couple of your points, however. How many years does Stephen Garcia have to have in the program before he ceases to be described as “a relatively green player just beginning to grasp his offense”? Through his own idiocy, he hasn’t seen the field as much until this year, but he’s been in the system for quite a while. His problem isn’t inexperience, and it certainly isn’t youth, it’s the Steve Taneyhill mentality that could have cost South Carolina the game.
After a big play gave the Gamecocks a first and goal, Garcia was shown running down the sideline, jumping and gesticulating like an epileptic cheerleader or a fan who’d had way, way too much to drink before the game. It’s one thing to do that when you’ve scored, but it was first and goal. There was football left to be played. Garcia’s next three plays? Bad option pitch, sack, incomplete pass that hit an Ole Miss defender in the gut. Think about playing football before showing us your moronic dance moves, son.
The other quarrel I have is with the description of Georgia as “surprisingly good.” The Bulldogs are ranked lower today than they were in the preseason polls and their defense is significantly worse than anticipated. Every problem the Red and Black had at the end of last season (penalties, turnovers, poor special teams play) persists this season and the offense is only just starting to find its feet after losing its top quarterback, running back, and wide receiver. In what sense is Georgia “surprisingly good”? I found that characterization absolutely baffling.
Was Ole Miss overrated? Clearly, and it seems all of us knew it going in; we all voted the Rebels in the top ten because we thought we were supposed to, but I never heard anyone defend that placement, and, when I picked South Carolina to beat Mississippi, I actually drew some criticism for making the “safe” pick. As I believe this site asked when everyone (correctly) expected Ole Miss to beat LSU last year, does it count as an upset if everyone predicts it?
Nevertheless, it counts as a signature win. Even though SEC teams should never be playing regular-season games on Thursday nights (unless it’s Thanksgiving), it was on the national stage, and the Rebels were ranked where they were ranked. South Carolina proved that its defense is as good as it’s usually been, if not better, and, for the first time in the Steve Spurrier era the last 20 years our lifetimes upon this planet forever, the Gamecocks appear to have something vaguely reminiscent of an offense, at least between the 20s.
Keep up the good work, guys. I hope y’all go 11-1.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 25, 2009 7:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Some comments
… jumping and gesticulating like an epileptic cheerleader …
Freaking hilarious!
Even though SEC teams should never be playing regular-season games on Thursday nights (unless it’s Thanksgiving), it was on the national stage, and the Rebels were ranked where they were ranked.
We used to gig Louisville about this every year. Thursday night games are for the MAC, or CUSA, or some such lesser conference. I can’t believe ESPN is roping the SEC into this heresy.
Yes, this is a signature win, but only if Ole Miss does not go totally south. We learned this two years ago when we beat a top ten team (Louisville) that wound up bowl-ineligible. So it comes with a caveat that is really out of the Gamecock’s control.
Nevertheless, it validated this year’s South Carolina team. They are now officially a serious football team to be reckoned with, particularly defensively. And your points about Garcia are exactly right, notwithstanding his untimely sideline antics. He has been there long enough to be a leader, and his leadership so far is not exactly praiseworthy. But even with that said, USC is getting it done.
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by Truzenzuzex on Sep 25, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, 2007 was a big year for devalued signature wins… with the revolving door at the top, a victory that looked like a huge scalp one week could be damn near worthless a month later. With a top-five team going down each week so far (only one to a ranked opponent), 2009 has the same potential.
by peachy rex on Sep 25, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I responded to you over at Dawg Sports, but to reiterate the key points here
A redshirt sophomore who hasn’t started many games is still a green player. That might be his own fault, sure, but he doesn’t suddenly absorb experience because he was an idiot. I’m amused at the description of Garcia’s antics, but it has very little to do with how good the team is.
I had Georgia ranked slightly higher preseason than they are now. But I thought they would lose to Arkansas and I expected them to improve later in the year. So, yes, I think they’re surprisingly good.
If you want me to say they’re mediocre or bad, I’ll gladly oblige.
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by cocknfire on Sep 25, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IDK about USC
but it was a epic FAIL for Ole Miss…freakin hilarious…
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by bammer on Sep 25, 2009 8:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
enough of saying EPIC FAIL
It was funny 2 years ago when I saw some idiot falling or crashing on you tube. Everytime someone loses or messes up isnt a EPIC FAIL. Sounds like somthing a kid would say.
by Hook85 on Sep 25, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston Nutt
Well-coached teams do not call a timeout before a crucial fourth and long at the end of a game, then come up to the line and and trot a player off the field, incurring a substitution infraction, making it even harder.
Houston Nutt is way overrated as a coach.
by froberts on Sep 25, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well coached teams
Go for it on 4th and 1 near midfield with six minutes left, a QB that had just shown that he could easilly sneak for 2 yards against a tired SC front, and a defense that had forced 4 straight three and outs (in case the play failed).
Great win for SC.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Sep 25, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wrong
I sold South Carolina short when I picked them to miss a bowl game this season. As I explained here, I saw a 1-3 start as a real possibility. Flipping that record around, and the weakness that some of the other SEC teams have shown (looking in your directions Volunteer State teams) make me think that the Gamecocks will need a major collapse (or a couple of major injuries) to fail to bowl.
This is the first acknowledgement of mistake that I’ve had to make from my pre-season picks. I’m sure it won’t be my last.
And by the way, South Carolina really shows how narrow the gap is between any number of teams. They are one play from being 4-0 and knocking on the door of the Top 10. They are two plays away from being 1-3 and negotiating Spurrier’s buyout.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Sep 25, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Then again . . .
. . . major collapses and major injuries (darn you, Jasper Brinkley!) are the Gamecocks’ forte!
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 25, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I would not jump too quickly on the South Carolina bandwagon. We have seemingly seen this before. It was only two years ago when South Carolina was number 6 in the nation. They had the same seemingly great defense and a reasonable offense. Of course, the wheels fell off that team and they lost their last five games I believe.
In fact if you go look back and look at that 2007 South Carolina team a lot of the statistics look the same, especially through their first four games.
It is also probably worth noting that they play at Arkansas, at Tennessee, at Alabama, Florida at home, and Clemson at home. South Carolina still has a brutual schedule from here on out.
Of course, with that said a lot of credit has to go to South Carolina’s defense.
by Kenny483 on Sep 25, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how South Carolina fails to bowl
They’re 3-1 right now. Spurrier’s not going to go 0-3 against Vandy, so that gets them to 4-1. Win number 5 will come against Kentucky. And they’ve still got two non-conference games left, one of whom I’m sure S. Car is paying to lose.
6 wins. Anything above that would be a surprise in my opinion.
by Nashville on Sep 25, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anything above that?
I’m not sold on Clemson yet after their EPIC FAIL against Georgia Tech. The Arkansas game could be a track meet and who knows who wins unless the Hogs discover a defense between now and then. I’d have to give South Carolina the edge over Tennessee right now.
I still think Florida and Alabama are out of reach.
So six wins is splitting the winnable games. I’d say that’s probably more of a floor than a ceiling. Given Gamecock luck, seven or maybe eight is still the likeliest outcome — which is precisely what I said in the preseason.
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by cocknfire on Sep 25, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thier Offense Sucks
USC defense is very VERY GOOD.
by Hook85 on Sep 25, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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