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It's time to admit it: the Bear has been eclipsed

It has taken 17 years, but it is finally time to put the Bear to rest.

I don't mean for Bama fans-that will never happen-but for the rest of the Southeastern Conference. For many years, it was the legendary, hound's-tooth-hat wearing old man who not only carried the standard of excellence for his school, but for the whole conference.

Other teams had short runs of excellence: Ole Miss in the late fifties and late sixties, LSU in the late fifties and late sixties, and others.

But no team in the SEC consistently dominated the competition and was at the forefront of the conference's pursuit of football excellence.

The numbers don't lie: six national championships and 13 conference championships in 25 years in Tuscaloosa.

As a young LSU fan, I can remember resenting the Crimson Tide and Bryant because they were just so good.

But now the mantle has been passed. While no one has matched the Bear's run over a quarter century, Florida is now the team that carries the mantle of SEC Paradigm of Excellence.

Star-divide

Since 1990, the year the Steve Spurrier took over the Gator program, they have ascended to the top of the SEC.

Even though the Crimson Tide brought home the national championship in 1992, it was the final gasp of a declining program. A couple of years later, Gene Stallings was run out, and the Crimson Tide entered the wilderness.

Meanwhile, Spurrier's Gators were embarking on a run of eight SEC East titles, six SEC titles** and one national title over 12 years. And since 1990, no team in Division I has won more games than the University of Florida.

It looked like the Gators may fade when Spurrier left and was replaced by the hapless Ron Zook, but he lasted only three years, and Urban Meyer rode to the rescue.

All he's done in his first three-and-a-half years is win two national championships and have his Gators ranked no.1 early in 2009.

Since 1990, the SEC has had only two Heisman winners, and Florida has had both of them: Danny Wuerffel in 1996 and Tim Tebow in 2007.

Bear's 25-year run at Alabama was great; there can be no question about that.

But over the 20 years since 1990, Florida has been the standard-bearer in the Southeastern conference.

So what does this mean for the future?

Nick Saban may recapture some of the Crimson aura. But now, with scholarship limits, and the arms race of top coaches in the conference, it will be much harder for a coach to consistently dominate like Bryant or Spurrier did.

Regardless, the Gators' domination of the nineties in the SEC led to the SEC domination of the BCS since its inception. Florida and LSU are the only two teams to own a pair of BCS titles, and Tennessee has another. That gives the SEC five total BCS titles in five championship game appearances. The Big 12 does have one more appearance, but only two titles. No other conference has more than three appearances and one victory.

Bryant laid the foundation for the Alabama ascension to one of the greatest programs ever. Spurrier and the Gators raised the quality of an entire conference, and the benefits are still being enjoyed.

*The SEC admitted Arkansas and South Carolina in 1991, and switched to a two-division format beginning with the 1992 season.
**In 1990, Spurrier's first year, the Gators went 6-1, good enough for first in the SEC, but they were on probation and prohibited from winning the title.

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Funny you should post this.....

on a day with a fairly interesting game starting in a few hours. I would expect you to save this discussion, and the shitstorm from peeved Alabama fans that’s sure to result, for a slow day in the offseason. :-)

by PhilipVU94 on Sep 24, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I know this is not the first time you guys have been asked this but...

Is this an SEC blog or is this a Florida blog? I know they are good but I think sometimes you guys really smother the coverage on this site with post after post entirely florida related. Now this particular post is not really the best example, but it just happened to be the one I decided to voice my concern. I know year2 is a manager and also a Florida fan but I could have sworn that Alligator Army existed for a reason. Who knows I may be wrong but since you guys are so good and crunching the numbers in your analysis….Will you please break down the % of Florida posts vs. other teams and let us SEC fans know how much of the “pie” florida coverage slice is. Love you guys, just wish you had more balanced coverage.

Great Game Hokies! What a battle!

by The Voice of Reason on Sep 24, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I think you'll notice a pivot coming up here

At least as far as I’m concerned, though I speak only for myself.

Early in the season, Florida has had some of the most compelling storylines, from the game against Tennessee to the speculation about whether they can repeat. Now, the only truly fascinating game they have before WLOCP is the LSU game.

Here, though, is the list of non-Sprints and non-poll/ballot stories from the first week of the season, beginning with that Saturday. I think it’s a good example of a period when there was very little discussion of Florida in our more substantive posts:

And It Started So Well: Oklahoma State 24, Georgia 10
What Defensive Struggle? Alabama 34, Virginia Tech 24
Topics for Discussion // 09.06.09
What We Learned: September 5
Happy Labor Day
Deja Vu: Week 1 Action in the SEC, and Deja Vu: Week 1 Action in the SEC
Comparison: Alabama versus Clemson and Virginia Tech
Comparison: Arkansas versus WIU and Missouri State
Comparison: Auburn versus Southern Miss and Louisiana Tech
Comparison: Florida versus the Citadel and Charleston Southern
Comparison: Georgia versus Oklahoma State and… Who?
Comparison: Kentucky versus WKU and Miami University
Comparison: LSU versus Arkansas and Washington
Ranking the SEC’s Rookie Coaches, Week 1
Ten Games Revisited: No. 7 — South Carolina at Georgia
Comparison: Ole Miss versus Memphis in 2008-09
Will Joe Cox Start for Georgia?
Comparison: Mississippi State versus SELA and Jackson State
Comparison: South Carolina versus NC State in 2008-09
Sept. 11, 2009
Comparison: Tennessee versus UAB and WKU
Comparison: Vanderbilt versus Miami University and WCU
Game Day: September 12
Week 2 Preview — Is Anybody There? South Carolina at Georgia Headlines Quiet Saturday

Still, Florida is one of the dominant teams in the league over the last three years, if not the dominant team. To not right about them frequently would be like having an American League East blog and writing very little about the Red Sox.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Sep 24, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess in the ones that werent even entirely florida concentrated....

…there was still a picture of florida on the majority.

Great Game Hokies! What a battle!

by The Voice of Reason on Sep 25, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe on Sprints

The overwhelming majority of those posts — again, those not spinning out of the news reported elsewhere — had no picture or a non-Florida picture.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Sep 25, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hi

I’m the sole Florida fan around here. I wrote about Kentucky today and Vandy/Miss State yesterday. I try to spread things around best I can.

If it seems like we collectively talk about the No. 1 ranked, defending conference and national champ a lot though, the reason is because it’s the No. 1 ranked, defending conference and national champ.

Team Speed Kills
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by Year2 on Sep 24, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also ...

If the University of Alabama has been passed than that should be stated instead of PB. If you want to talk about what coach has “eclipsed” the bear than you need to explain which individual coach has enough on his resume in the sec to surpass him. You cannot therefore dont try. It is far too early to announce Urban Meyer the GOAT.

Great Game Hokies! What a battle!

by The Voice of Reason on Sep 24, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

You could even say LSU has passed Alabama. The Tigers have won two national championships this past decade.

I still believe in Ryan Garko...........

by 49er16 on Sep 24, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Who is the Bear?

Dum spiro spero - "While I breathe, I hope"
State motto of South Carolina

by The Feathered Warrior on Sep 24, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Lame

Pretty lame comparison. You can’t compare what multiple coaches have done at FLA to what the Bear did at ’Bama, that requires a leap of logic only a FLA fan is capable of. I will concede that FLA, and to a lesser extent LSU, have surpassed the Tide as the flagship program(s) of the conference, but nobody has even come close to matching what the Bear did. And you may have noticed that the Tide is swiftly rising, so even that concession may not hold water for too much longer.

"We intend to go out and hit people in the mouth. That's how we play. We're going to run the ball at you and we're going to stop you from running the ball. That's our personality, and we're going to have fun doing it." - Rolando McClain

by lcase373 on Sep 24, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

The author is a die hard LSU fan. Note the LSU hat in his avatar.

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by Year2 on Sep 24, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry.

that avatar is quite small and my eyes aren’t as sharp as they once where. My argument is still valid but please allow me the opportunity to promptly correct my self.

“….a leap of logic only an LSU fan is capable of…”

"We intend to go out and hit people in the mouth. That's how we play. We're going to run the ball at you and we're going to stop you from running the ball. That's our personality, and we're going to have fun doing it." - Rolando McClain

by lcase373 on Sep 24, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seconded...

You won’t hear me argue that Florida has surpassed Alabama as THE SEC program since 1990, but that doesn’t mean Florida (the program) is greater than Bryant (the coach). Apples and oranges, coonass my good man.

Roll Bama Roll - The Champagne of Bama Blogs.

by Todd on Sep 24, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Argue AGAINST THE NOTION...

…is what I meant to say there.

Roll Bama Roll - The Champagne of Bama Blogs.

by Todd on Sep 24, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

back in the 1960s...

it was pretty common for comic books to have covers that made shocking claims about the stories included in the issue which, when you had bought the book and actually read, were shown to be completely bogus. it was a tired cliche back then and it ain’t any better now. this post is very much like that.

saying that alabama has been surpassed by florida in terms of conference stature isn’t exactly revolutionary and noting that no coach of the crimson tide since bryant has matched the bear’s stature isn’t particularly controversial either. (and, yes, i am an alabama fan.)

but there is jack squat in this post to back any kind of allegation that any program, much less any coach or tandem of coaches have in any way “eclipsed” paul w. bryant. a few coaches have bested his all time win record but, please note, none of them were in the sec.

coach bryant dominated college football during the quarter century he led the crimson tide and he was a force to be reckoned with the twelve years before that. the ever respected dr. saturday himself has said flat out “There is no way any modern team can hold itself to the near-90 percent standard Bear Bryant’s seventies juggernaut achieved in conference games.”

and nobody is realistically expected to either. the game has changed far too much and the forces that shape it’s progress simply will not allow it. thus the proposition that anyone will eclipse bear bryant is less inaccurate as it is wholly meaningless. and proposing it is just a lame attempt to garner some attention by saying something just to solicit a reaction.

everyone’s time would be better spent if this were a discussion of what florida’s current dominance of the sec might signify historically for the conference – particularly in light of teams such as alabama, tennessee and vanderbilt which all claimed supremacy over the sec at some period in the past – but that would require insight and, god forbid, research. far better to slap something together and use the ole bait and switch.

by kleph on Sep 24, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

The game has changed too much for anything to really compare to Bryant in his heyday.

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by Year2 on Sep 24, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its the same deal with comparing a modern basketball program

To those UCLA teams in the 60s and 70s. The scholarship limit changed the game

I would, however, argue that Spurrier is probably the 2nd greatest coach in league history to Bryant due to his run at UF.

by Billy Gomila on Sep 24, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

ever heard of robert neyland?

by kleph on Sep 24, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's why I said 'probably'

And I would add that I think the job Spurrier did at Florida in the scholarship era, plus the way he ushered in the modern age of offensive football into the conference, is at least comparable to Neyland, if not greater.

by Billy Gomila on Sep 25, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about Wallace Wade?

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant

by NJBammer on Sep 25, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've also said Bear Bryant won't be matched by anyone ever again

As I remember, I got ripped by a lot of the same Alabama fans who are now deriding this post. So I’m a little confused.

In any case, we like to air as many opinions as we can here at Team Speed Kills, so I’ve got no problem with the post. I would remind everyone that we like a minimum level of discourse here; name-calling directed at bloggers or commenters that is nothing more than name-calling will and already has been deleted on this thread and any other thread where it exists.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Sep 25, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is

the substance of the post does not support the title. Unless the point is that Bear has been eclipsed by a program, not by a coach, which makes the title still misleading. If the title had been “Alabama has been eclipsed” I doubt there would have been much objection, but the implication of the title was clearly not that.

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant

by NJBammer on Sep 25, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

17 years?

What is that a reference to? Since the last Bama nat’l championship? If so, OK, yes, the worst extended period in Bama history.

by rtr on Sep 25, 2009 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

HAHA

Man i appreciate a good laugh…sometimes you just gotta let your hair down…

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Sep 25, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Look

if you want to compare one man (Bryant) to an entire program (Florida), you’re comparing apples to oranges. If you get to compare one coach to one coach, no one beats Bryant. If you look program to program, please also include the 30s and 40s, and the multiple NCs, and the great Wallace Wade, Frank Thomas, and even Gene Stallings in the conversation.

The compairson isn’t a good one in this post. The only valid point you have is Florida has been better overall since the early 90s (a period which includes 2 probations for Bama, as you know). Otherwise, just not a good post.

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant

by NJBammer on Sep 25, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

and are we talking sec history or the southern conference as well?

by kleph on Sep 25, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is it? July?

Additionally, I love the continual knighting of Spurrier while he has as much control of his dimwitted players as, well, I do. Nice win over Ole “4 losses. Book it.” Miss, though.

by D.N. Nation on Sep 25, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

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