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Ten Games That Will Shape the SEC: No. 10 -- Kentucky at Vanderbilt

The Game: Kentucky Wildcats at Vanderbilt Commodores, Nov. 14

What's at Stake: A bowl berth. It's easy to count to five wins for Kentucky before Nov. 14, and only slightly harder for Vanderbilt. But the remaining games on each team's schedule would require taking down programs that have traditional dominated the lower-tier SEC East teams. The Commodores' only remaining game is at Tennessee, a team that has defeated Vanderbilt 25 of the last 26 times the two have played. Kentucky plays at Georgia on Nov. 21 and then hosts the Vols, who have won 24 of their last 24 meetings with the Wildcats.

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Where It Falls on Vanderbilt's Schedule: It's the next-to-last game of the season, obviously, coming right after the Dores travel to Gainesville for what should be a severe thrashing. One possible concern: It will mark the 11th straight week of football for Vanderbilt, who will play their schedule all the way through without a bye. Any nagging injuries could play a major role.

Where It Falls on Kentucky's Schedule: The Cats will have two more games left, but come in after a three-week string of cupcakes. Seriously -- even for Kentucky, it's an epically easy stretch. Louisiana-Monroe, Mississippi State and Eastern Kentucky -- all at home. Some on Vanderbilt's staff ought to complain to the conference office about that.

What Happened This Past Season: Vanderbilt finally clinched its first bowl berth in more than a quarter-century with a 31-24 win. This was at least in part because of Joker Phillips' stubborn insistence on having plays where a receiver covered by D.J. Moore was on the checkdown list.

What Will Decide the Game This Year: Not offense. The Wildcats failed to rank higher than 81st nationally in any major offensive category (rush offense, pass efficiency offense, pass offense, total offense); Vanderbilt ranked 73rd in one (rushing) and 110th or worse in the other three. Granted, both teams have reasons to believe that their offenses will be better this year, but not so much better than they'll surpass the 55 combined points from the 2008 game by a wide margin. Defense and a turnover here or there will likely be the difference.

Vanderbilt Will Probably Win If ... The QB situation has settled down enough to keep the offense from completely imploding, the long schedule doesn't leave the team battered and the returning starters on defense play up to last year's standards.

Kentucky Will Probably Win If ... The relative inexperience of the team doesn't cause problems, the QB situation has settled down enough to keep the offense from totally imploding and D.J. Moore doesn't find some way to regain his college eligibility.

Conclusion: This is a difficult game to call, in part because both teams have a number of question marks. Quite frankly, Vanderbilt owes a great deal of its success in 2008 to luck, though the Kentucky game might have been their most "honest" victory. We will hopefully have a better idea by November about who has the edge. But if this season resembles the past one for both teams, even that is a dubious notion.

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by btcoop71 on Jul 13, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

How will this shape the SEC?

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by bdalebs on Jul 13, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

It may determine which one gets to go to a bowl game and which one doesn’t. It’s difficult to pinpoint too many other late-season games where that’s what’s on the line.

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by Year2 on Jul 13, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah.

I was thinking more along the lines of determining who the good, mediocre, and bad teams are, and this game seems like it won’t really tell us anything about either team, or their opponents.

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by bdalebs on Jul 14, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vanderbilt Commodores

Vanderbilt finished #3 in the SEC East in ‘08…the coaches say that CB Myron Lewis is every bit as good as D J Moore was last year…if you really do question Vandy’s QB situation, just watch a replay of the Music city Bowl where sophomore Larry Smith beat the ACC #2 team, Boston College…also, check out Vandy’s LB trio—one of which Urban Meyer says is the best LB in the SEC…btw, he’s only a sophomore—remember the name Chris Marve, you’ll see a lot of him on Nov. 14th…and while you’re spouting national statistics, try this one: Vandy finished as the #21 defense in the nation in ’08 and 9 starters return…did I tell you that 9 starters from the offense that beat ky at home are back in ’09, too?

by VanDSIRROM on Jul 13, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Slow down there, cowboy

In the bowl Vandy’s offense didn’t score a touchdown, gained only 200 yards, and converted just one out of 15 first downs. That defense you tout won that game, not Larry Smith. That bowl was a great win, don’t get me wrong, but Smith played in all of two games and didn’t crack a passing efficiency of 120 (which is below average) in either. There’s plenty of room for reasonable doubt.

I’d also like to see a source link for this Meyer quote you reference, if you’ve still got it. Knowing what I know about Meyer, I have a hard time believing he’d call anyone but Brandon Spikes the best in the conference.

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by Year2 on Jul 13, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vandy in a rout.

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 14, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a rout....they may win

but it wont be a rout…..neither team has an appreciable offense as of yet, but its really too early to tell…..my bet is its a snoozer, regardless of the winner…..both teams will be worn down…Ky may have the advantage in that case….per yr2’s assessment of the schedule….No blowing the Cats horn here, but I think they will have an advantage on D, just an observation….I said it on ASOB….I’ll say it here, 16-10 Cats in a yawner

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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 4, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um...
the returning starters on defense play up to last year’s standards

Sorry if that wasn’t a clear indication that the Vanderbilt defense was good last year.

As for the QB situation: Year2 covered some of this, but Smith also had just 4.9 yards per attempt in both games he played in last year. And if Paul Anderson avoids the punt, Vanderbilt might not score the TD that it did.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Jul 13, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

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