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My Case Against Playoffs.

Hello everyone!  Seven months ago, following the conference championship games, I posted the following at Alligator Army.  I am reposting it here because it is pertinent to much of the current offseason chatter surrounding college football.  I hope that this sparks a civil and thoughtful conversation on the subject of postseason play.  If you're interested in the topic, please follow me below the fold.

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"I am not necessarily a BCS proponent, I just play one on this site by defending it against arguments that I feel are flawed or unfair.  One of the most frustrating and perhaps baffling aspects of this ongoing debate is that the supporters of a move to a playoff system never have to defend their own "solutions".  Potential shortcomings of the BCS are constantly paraded without end during the season and, on the rare occasion that there still exists a viable one when it's all said and done, they are trumpeted as definitive proof that it is an epic failure that needs to be scraped.  Playoffs are hailed as clean, fair and absolute, but they're never tested, while twisted hypotheticals are used to point out the precarious nature of the BCS.  So, let me flip the script and put the playoffs to the test; I think you'll be shocked by the chaos that ensues. 

 

In a four-team playoff, Oklahoma and Florida would receive the top two seeds, but which of the following pairs of teams get left out: Texas and Alabama (despite being ranked in the final top four, they failed to win their respective conferences), USC and Penn State (highly regarded one-loss BCS conference champs - like the Sooners and Gators - ranked outside of the final top four), Utah and Boise State (undefeated non-BCS conference champs outside of the final top four)?  In other words, instead of just Texas (and possibly USC) having a legitimate gripe with the BCS, at least four schools would have been screaming bloody murder at the end of this season if college football employed a four-team playoff to determine its champion.

 

In an eight-team playoff, Oklahoma, Florida, USC, Utah and Penn State would be guaranteed their spots, but which of the following groups of three teams would fill out the bracket: Texas, Alabama and Texas Tech (despite being ranked in the final top eight, they failed to win their respective conferences) or Boise State, Cincinnati and Virginia Tech (the three best conference champions ranked outside of the final top eight)?  If you went the "conference champions" route (as would likely be necessary for such a system to be adopted), then what about all of the teams that had better seasons than four-loss VT (at least ten would be left out) or arguably two-loss Cincinnati (at least five of the ones already pissed about VT)?  A minimum of three schools would have been shafted under any variant of this system and most likely many more than that would join in on the argument.

 

Playoff proponents often like to attack the BCS, but rarely defend their solution to the so-called cancer that plagues college football.  If we had a plus one this year and Oklahoma won it by beating Penn State and Florida/USC, but Texas defeated Alabama in a non-playoff bowl game, would there still not be questions about whether or not the Sooners were better than the Longhorns or if they even deserved their playoff slot ahead of UT?  And if you went with just the top four and we had a rematch between Bama and Florida or Texas and Oklahoma that went the opposite way as their regular season match-ups, would anything really be resolved since they'd just be 1-1 on neutral fields against each other with no significant point differential?  What if Utah and/or Boise State completed their undefeated seasons with quality bowl wins?  If it was an 8-team tournament and the same thing happened with OU and UT, UF and Bama, etc. would it not be the same?

 

The bottomline is this: playoffs are another, equally flawed in my opinion, answer to the question of how college football should determine its ultimate champion.  If you want to argue that they're more fun for fans (though it will certainly take away from the intensity of the regular season), that's fine and I accept that.  But to say that they're more fair, cleaner or produce undisputed champions is simply not true.  Again I ask: does anyone think the New York Giants were a better team than the New England Patriots in the NFL in 2007?  You can point to a Super Bowl that went right down to the wire and I can point to another close game on the final weak of the regular season that went the other way to prove that they were pretty evenly matched teams.  For you baseball fans out there, were the Cards the best team in MLB in 2006 and were the Rockies the best team in the NL in 2007 or did they just get hot at the right time and take advantage of a system that rewards games late in the year over those played earlier?

 

Feel free to prove me wrong on any and all of these counts.  As always, I aim to start a healthy and civil discussion with you all because I respect your opinions and intellects, as I hope you do mine.  Thanks for taking the time to read through this rant and I'd especially appreciate any comment or questions you may have.  Cheers!"

 

Since the time of this writing, several of the teams refered to above may have been expose while others were revealed, but you have to block out that information because it wouldn't have been available at the time of playoff seeding.  I've never taken the time to apply this logic to other seasons, but I wouldn't be surprised if it resulted in equally messy resolutions. 

 

Moreover, I have seen reasonable arguments for 6- and 12- team playoff brackets, but I haven't been swayed all the way.  I've also been intrigued by the concept of a selection committee as a possible arbiter.  Again, my more fundamental position is that playoffs should be pushed on entertainment and financial grounds because the more popular claims of fairness, simplicity and absoluteness are simply not true.  And on that note, have at it guys!

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Where do you stand on the BCS v. Playoffs debate now?
I strongly support the BCS.
3 votes
I lean towards the BCS.
3 votes
I'm on the fence about it.
1 votes
I lean towards playoffs.
3 votes
I strongly support playoffs.
8 votes

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gotta go with Steele on this one.

The man has it right. Playoffs have tons of negative consequences that never get considered by the casual fan. Most importantly, the destruction of the best regular season in the history of sports. Basically, Phil says we should expand the BCS 2 team playoff (which is essentially what it is), to a 4 team playoff with a few tweaks here and there to avoid re-matches and such. No conference champion nonsense, no notre dame special rules, just make 1 play 4 and 2 play 3. He goes into more depth about certain years and what scenarios would work best. Some year, a playoff has not been needed. These are years where there is only 1 or 2 teams that have a legitimate shot to say they are the best in the country. Rarely does 5 or more teams have a LEGITIMATE claim at being the best team in the country. Based on History, its usually 3 or 4 teams. 4 team playoff is the way to go because it keeps all that is good about college football basically untouched, yet solves most of the who’s no.1 debating come end of season.

by hotdawgin on Jul 16, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Plus One.

I’d be down with a Plus One model and a variety of other tweeks to the system.

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Jul 16, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry

I love the 8 team playoff idea, and love a 12 or 16 team playoff even more. This slippery slope of “who gets left out?” could go on forever, if you wanted it to. The fact of the matter is (in at least the 8+ playoff versions), if you don’t win your conference, you don’t get to complain. How can you be the best team in the country, if you’re not the best team in your conference.

Also, the logic of “do you really think team A is better than team B” because they lost to them in a championship game, my answer is yes, on that day they were. If you keep following that logic, we can say “do you really think Texas Tech was better than Texas?” No, so lets pretend that didn’t happen and say Texas was undefeated and should have gone to the Big XII Champ game. More slippery slope nonsense that should end with common sense.

I love the NFL, and I watch my dear Falcons every week. When they lose, it sux. But I know thay can rise up and win make it into the playoffs. When my Auburn Tigers lose it’s a shot in the gut, because their championship dreams are dashed immediately. Sometimes, they’re not dashed until the final votes are counted on the final weekend….votes..opinions…deciding national championships.

I firmly believe that any argument against a playoff can be rebuked save 1: Money. I’m not an accountant, but I’ll guarantee that as soon as someone comes up with a way to have a playoff where everybody makes the same amount of money as they do with the BCS, we’ll have one.

Upon moving to AL, I let my wife decide who she would root for. After one day at a new job full of Bama fans, she met me at the door with a hearty cry of "WAR EAGLE"

by SandMountainTiger on Jul 16, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Money.

The BCS has readily admitted that there’s more money to be made in a playoff than in the current BCS system, so that’s not even a point of discussion.

The fact that loses are less significant in pro football than they are in college is a direct reflection of the devalued regular season in the NFL.

Whenever I spoke to the prospect of “Team A being better than Team B” in relation to conference championship games only in the prospect of a rematch in playoffs going the other way. If the purpose of the playoffs is to determine championships on the field, then what is said when teams earned those trophies by defeating teams that had already beaten them before? Look at the last New York Giants championship and their playoff run, for an example of this.

You’re apparently not interested in teams that didn’t win their conference in your eight-team playoffs, so you’d dump Texas, Alabama and Texas Tech in favor of Boise State, Cincinnati and Virginia Tech; how you can argue that the latter three were more deserving than the former is utterly beyond me.

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Jul 16, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course

The BCS SAYS there is as much money to be made in a plyoff. It keeps them from looking like the money grubbing jackasses that they are.

The NFL regular season games are NOT devalued. Last I checked, you still had to win a lot of games to be in the playoffs. You’d have to win a lot more in NCAA regular seasin, as there are a lot more teames goin after the spots. Also, NFL teams play 16 games a year.

Upon moving to AL, I let my wife decide who she would root for. After one day at a new job full of Bama fans, she met me at the door with a hearty cry of "WAR EAGLE"

by SandMountainTiger on Jul 16, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Lots Of Things.

Right now the BCS is comprised of four big bowl games and one huge one. A playoff of any sort would at least maintain that ammount if not increase it. There is more money to be made in a playoff. I’m not sure anything else makes sense…

As for the NFL regular season being devalued, it absolutely is. 12 of the 30 teams make the playoffs and a 10-6 record virtually guarantees you a spot. That would be the equivalent of inviting 48 teams to the college playoffs or some 7 win teams getting in.

Once again, look no further than the 2007 New York Giants. In the regular season, they lost at home to the Packers (by 22) and to the Patriots (by 3), as well as twice to the Cowboys (by 11 and 10). Then, in the playoffs, they beat the Cowboys by 4, Green Bay by 3 in OT and finally New England by 3 and – viola – they’re champions. By definition, games played later in the year are more valuable than those played earlier in the year. Moreover, regular season accomplishments mean less at best than those of the postseason. If someone could argue that the Giants were the best team in the league, conference or even their own division, I’d be impressed. yet the system rewarded their getting hot at the end and eeking out victories over teams that beat them soundly earlier on.

Bottom line: playoffs devalue the regular season and the only reason why people believe that it produces true champions is because they don’t bother to actually think about it.

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Jul 17, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

completely agree about regular season

Thats why college football is so incredible. Every single game counts. In the NFL regular season, the ravens can lose to the steelers and its no sweat, they’ve got the playoffs. The Patriots can lose to the dolphins, no biggie, playoffs are around the corner. College Basketball 1 vs 2 showdown during the year is absolutely meaningless because they’ve got the tournament which is essentially all that matters. Take for example michiga vs ohio state, oklahoma texas, ga/fl, those games are as big as a national championship becasue the title hopes of the losing team takes a near fatal blow. Almost every single year, the national champion has no more than 1 loss, many times they are undefeated. LSU got away with 2 recently, but seasons like that are extremely rare. Thats why college football is awesome. A playoff bigger than 4 teams would allow 2 and 3 loss teams into the championship mix, thus devaluing the best part about the sport, the regular season.

by hotdawgin on Jul 17, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think people have concentrated on all the times that the BCS hasn’t worked. A playoff will match the best teams against each other at the end of the year but it still doesn’t prove who the best team in college football would be.

Last year Alabama lost to Florida in the SEC championship game. What happens if they meet in either round of the playoff? What if Alabama was to win the title? Your national champion would be a team that got smoked by Utah.

If you can’t find anything definitely better than the BCS, why change a system that has worked more times than not?

by rocket8188 on Aug 4, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank You!

The point of the exercise was to demonstrate how the playoffs benefit from being an idea that is never actually fleshed out. Playoffs are messy and no where near as definitive as proponents make them out to be.

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Aug 9, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

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