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SEC Championship Game: Got Rematch?

There have been plenty of comments about how the SEC Championship Game could probably serve as the national title game this year, though you won't hear many fans who remember the same conversation about Michigan-Ohio State in 2006 joining that conversation. In that year, there were calls for a rematch from ESPN and others; the experts this year are more willing to go out on the "could it happen" limb than on the "should it." In fact, Tony Barnhart seems against it even as he makes a strong case that it could happen.

It means that if Texas loses to Nebraska in the Big 12 championship game, the SEC championship game loser, if it is a really tight game, has a real chance to finish No. 2 in the final BCS Standings. That's because the computers will still love them because their only loss this season was to a team ranked in the top two.

It will all come down to the human voters and how far they drop the SEC championship game loser. If the loser of that game only drops to No. 3 or No. 4 in the human polls, then it can finish No. 2 in the BCS standings because of the computers. So it could be that a 12-0 TCU, a 12-0 Cincinnati and a 13-0 Boise State get squeezed out.

So avoinding a rematch in the championship game rests in the hands of the Harris Poll. Heaven help us.

My thoughts on this subject have actually been out there now for about three years, dating back to that Ohio State defeat of Michigan in 2006.

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It could cause chaos if Michigan won. Would the true champ be Michigan, who fell three points short in Columbus but then beat Ohio State on neutral field in the dessert? Or Ohio State, who beat Michigan in their first face-off and then lost (probably narrowly) in Glendale? ...

It's been decided on the field. You don't get a second bite at the apple.

When we had two bloggers each representing Florida and Alabama on Team Speed Kills Now on Tuesday night, there seemed to be something approaching a consensus that the BCS should take another team no matter what happens Saturday. I don't think it would be fair to call the decision unanimous, but there wasn't a lot of enthusiasm about the teams playing again even if the team favored by a particular blogger lost.

You can understand why the idea would be appealing. After all, if Alabama and Florida prove Saturday that they are the two best teams in the country, why shouldn't they play in the matchup for the national title? It's supposed to be No. 1 vs. No. 2. That should apply whether or not a team is the "conference champion," which when you come to think of it is kind of an arbitrary designation anyway.

A rematch for the national title is not unprecedented, even for one of the two teams that will play Saturday. Florida defeated Florida State for the 1996 championship not long after the Seminoles won the regular season-ending rivalry game with the Gators. But there were a couple of differences between this game and that one, most notably that Florida played another game after the initial showdown with Florida State (the SEC Championship against Alabama).

But there are many reasons not to have a rematch. I mentioned the most important one in that three-year-old post: Who is really the champion? Florida defeated Florida State by 32 in the Sugar Bowl that year after having lost to the Seminoles by three during the regular season. But suppose one team wins this weekend in Atlanta by three and then the other team wins in Pasadena by two. We know to whom the crystal football will be presented. How, though, do you reconcile the differing results with no game in between? Best two out of three?

That doesn't even get into the issues of how difficult it is to defeat the same team twice, much less twice in a row; those who will argue that conference champion isn't an arbitrary title and that you should have to be the best team in your league to be the best team in the country; and a general sense that someone else should get the chance to try to defeat the would-be champion.

Of course, all of this will be moot if Texas defeats Nebraska on Saturday, as they did in 1996. Of course, then it was the Cornhuskers who simply needed a win to play Florida State for the national title ...

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I hope it doesn't happen

If it does, then they should give a chance to one of the other 3 IMO. I consider the SEC championship game this weekend to be a de facto playoff game.

by cal n on Dec 4, 2009 11:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

This IS the national championhip semi-final….UF and BAMA just happened to get a tougher bracket than Texas. It happens in any playoff scenario.

by skigator93 on Dec 4, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Zero chance of a rematch.

I don’t know why so many pundits are debating the merits of it. There will be four undefeated teams the loser of this game would have to jump over, so if there was ever a year for a conference championship rematch game for the national title, this is not it.

The only year I could see something like this happening would be 2007 where all the other BCS conference champs had two losses

by Paranormal on Dec 4, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the possibility

In a rational world driven by human polls, you’re right. But we’re in an irrational era when computers have a say in things. They care about the strength of wins and losses. Whether a team is undefeated matters little to them on its own merits. The humans won’t allow a rematch. But the chips just might. That’s the problem.

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by cocknfire on Dec 4, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Based on my computer poll

Based on my computer poll, I think it also has to do with which team loses. If Florida loses the game, then I think the chances are less for a rematch. If Alabama loses that game, then the chances are higher for a rematch.

This being based on SoS differences between the 2 teams.

So, if Texas and Florida lose, I think there is a decent chance Cincy will make #2 in the computers. If Texas and Alabama lose, probably Cincy only to #3, with Florida #1, Alabama #2.

Everyone has different formulas, but mine is based heavily on SoS and that is what I expect to see based on the numbers right now.

With Oregons win this week, that also helps Boise St in the computers. As the more Oregon wins, the more valuable that win is for Boise St. Not enough games left for the other teams to get much help in that area.

by cal n on Dec 4, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Btw, I said cincy instead of TCU because

I said cincy rather than TCU to #2 because I except Cincy to pull ahead of TCU if they win tommorow. Cincy having a bit tougher schedule than TCU. I’m pretty sure it will happen in the computer polls, but I also think it might happen in the human polls as well.

by cal n on Dec 4, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If cincy loses

Also, if Cincy, Texas and Florida all lose, then I think the chances for a rematch go up between Alabama and Florida. I’m not so sure TCU has enough juice to pass a 1 loss Florida team in the computer polls.

by cal n on Dec 4, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It shouldn't happen

I think only conference champions should play for the national title, but all BCS conferences need conference championship games for this to be plausible, the PAC-10 becomes PAC-12 by adding Boise State and Utah or BYU, the Big Ten needs to add two other teams (Notre Dame since they are in the BCS and someone else) and the Big East could add two others as well.

This way you avoid the situation where a Conference Championship game loser is playing in the BCS title game (like OU back in ’03 I think)

by brandond03 on Dec 4, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Don't think it should happen

and I’m a bama fan! Hopefully, the game tomorrow will be decisive enough.

The question remains intereting, though. If Alabama is #2 in the country now, and if they were to lose to Florida by 1, why would Bama drop in the polls? Wouldn’t that be the expected result?

I kid because I know it doesn’t work that way. One reason Bama is ranked #2 is because there are a lot of voters who think they should be #1. If they lose, then they clearly are not, and so will drop at least a few spots in the rankings, no matter what Texas does. I would be shocked if there were any kind of rematch no matter what the score.

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant

by NJBammer on Dec 4, 2009 1:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

For the Record

I am also against a rematch. Just getting that in now before the weekend hits.

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by Year2 on Dec 4, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

As far as I'm concerned

This IS the national championship.

by falcontom on Dec 4, 2009 9:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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