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Don't Close the Book on Tebow Just Yet

This Saturday is Tim Tebow's last game in the Swamp. It will be an emotional day for both him and Gator fans, and there will be a temptation to sum up his career already. Tony Barnhart has already taken a stab at just that.

However, Tebow's place in history is still very much in flux.

I know a lot of instant historians have tried to put Tebow in the top five or ten best players ever. A lot of that centers on his absurd stats from 2007. However, as time has grown between then and now, a lot of his place in the pantheon is based more on things like leadership and "being a winner," however you're supposed to define that.

Tebow is not the most gifted at the things he does. Herschel Walker and Bo Jackson were better runners. Peyton Manning and Danny Wuerffel were better passers. David Greene even (gasp!) won more games as a starter. It is the whole package of things that makes Tebow stand out. Or at least, it did.

Star-divide

Ultimately the details of this season will fade from memory, but a lot of what has been used to build up Tebow has eroded some in 2009. He is no longer fully automatic on third- and fourth-and-short, and no longer is the offense he runs automatic in the red zone. His decision making has seen better days, as indecision has caused him to hold onto the ball for too long on many occasions. He's turned it over more this year than in his previous two. The defense has won a couple of games where Tebow's offense couldn't get much going without rifling its feet over and over.

The second Heisman is pretty much out the window at this point. If Alabama wins out, Mark Ingram will take it; if Florida wins out, Colt McCoy will probably take it. All the superlatives ring a little less true, as I just chronicled. What is left is the "leader" and "winner" titles, and it will take more than beating the worst FSU team in roughly 30 years to cement things for him. Yes, it's always a big deal to beat up on the Seminoles to the younger generation of Gators of which Tebow is a part, but him ending his home career still leaves a lot left.

For much of the off season, I tried to fight the notion that 2009 Florida was a reincarnation of 2005 USC. Everything I said to that regard still stands. However, the one thing that most people don't consciously recognize is that those Trojans didn't fall short because they choked or bowed to pressure; that team simply faced a better one and lost. There's no surprise, mystery, or shame in that. Texas was just the better team that year.

I don't know exactly how good every team stacks up, but this I do know. Florida is not as good overall as it was last year, loss to Ole Miss be damned. Alabama is better than it was last year, and Texas is real close to where it was a year ago. It's possible that Tebow's quest to win a third national title in his four years will end the same way that USC's 2005 quest ended: simply at the hands of a better team. That will not mark a failure on his part, just the reality that preseason storylines can sometimes be flawed. Imagine that.

So don't buy into any sappy retrospectives you might see. About the only one that makes sense to write this weekend, assuming Florida wins, is that he will have led UF to only its second 12-0 start to a season ever and he will have extended the school's winning streak. That's about it.

What happens in Atlanta is a major part of his legacy, and should Florida win that one, the events in Pasadena will be even bigger. Just grab your barf bag if Florida does make it to the national title game. All the stories about one of the game's best players finishing his career in one of the game's most hallowed venues with a championship on the line will be too much for even me, a born and raised Gator, to bear.

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Wow...

While making the argument against Tebow, you actually make a great case FOR him. So, you’re telling me that he’s not as good a runner, passer or winner as the all-time greats at those things? Then again, he’s worth considering in those discussions… all of them; why don’t you talk about Wuerffel/Manning rushing, Walker/Jackson passing or Greene’s championships? I’m sorry that for Tebow to be among the greatest ever, he has to beat all the greats ever at everything. Perhaps you should take a shot at him for lacking top-notch receiving numbers or not kicking enough. The bottom line is this: regardless of what happens this season, Tim Tebow has already claimed his place on the Mount Rushmore of college football – haters be damned – and he deserves it.

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Nov 27, 2009 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

thank you ejruiz, i couldn't have said it better myself

it is rediculous to compare TT’s rushing numbers to HWa/BJa those guys were two of the greatest “Running Backs” of all time. how many plays did those guys call? how many reads did those guys have to make at the LOS? how many games did those two handle every snap of their teams’ offensive posessions? same goes for the other rediculous comparisons, greene was a four year starter….payton? are you kidding me? wetalkin’bout…payton? you do know this is college…..right

even though TT’s numbers are down this year. i will take you back to the UT game in september. Monte Kiffin made this statement after his teams 23-13 loss to UF “we took away every option and forced TT to beat us by himself, thinking that we could wear him down, but we could not”. the biggest “gift” that year2 left out about TT that can’t be measured with a yd stick or added up in a stat book is “HEART”. from the UT game to the Ark game when TT converted on 3rd down to keep that drive and the winning streak alive, these are the types of things that i will remember about TT, i’ll let others “focus” on the other stuff.

by pLANEolG8RB8 on Nov 27, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

the biggest "gift" that year2 left out about TT that can’t be measured with a yd stick or added up in a stat book is "HEART".

did you even read the post? i think that was his point…all that’s left is talk of tebow the “winner” and tebow the “leader.” heart is the same category. i don’t find anything false in what year2 wrote. tebow’s career looks a lot like matt leinart’s if he doesn’t win either the heisman or the MNC this year. if he wins either or both…still possible in my mind with a beat down of alabama…then “best CFB player of all-time” is a legitimate debate.

by Natty Bumppo on Nov 29, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Tebow's legacy

will be determined by the final 3 games of this season, but also the next 2 or 3 years without him. If Florida goes splat, everyone will assume it was more Tebow than Urban. If they win another SEC title and/or a NC, the opposite will be assumed.

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant

by NJBammer on Nov 27, 2009 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

'leadership and "being a winner," however you're supposed to define that'... *eye roll*

How about the longest winning streak in Gator history? A national title and SEC title. Another Eastern Division title. Spot duty his freshman year that secured key victories en route to another SEC and national title. The youngest guy to ever win the Heisman. Never missed a start, even though he suffered a concussion his senior season. Led his team in the 4th Quarter to victories in Atlanta and Miami last year, and this year in the Swamp to maintain the undefeated season and unprecedented winning streak. The Gators can lose the next three and his place in Gator and college football lore has still been secured forever.

And seriously, Year2, talking about wanting to barf if he win against the Noles and Tide and head to Pasadena? Pathetic. Shame on you.

by falcontom on Nov 27, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

The last comment was only about the coverage of him, not anything about the team itself. The sports media really goes overboard in these regards.

As far as his place in history, he’s already secure as one of the defining players of the decade. However, two championships and a Heisman still puts him in the same category as Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, and all the others who have done that. To surpass them, he must get ring No. 3.

The reason I said “whatever that means” regarding the winner term (and it was only intended for that, not the leader part) is because in his best statistical year in 2007, he lost four games and won no titles. His numbers were down last year, and they went 13-1. His numbers are even farther down this year, and the team is undefeated. There is no doubt that he is a very special player, but to attribute everything to him is to sell short Charlie Strong’s excellent defenses.

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by Year2 on Nov 27, 2009 7:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

wow, you brought out the “shame on you.” you really don’t get tired of the over-the-top media coverage? i do. i’d much rather see a segment about brandon spikes or joe haden than another ESPN/CBS tebow puff piece.

by Natty Bumppo on Nov 29, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

There's this thing on your remote.

It’s called the mute button. There’s also a fairly old concept in western civilization. It’s known as free will. Put the two together.

by falcontom on Nov 29, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

how dare i. shame on me.

by Natty Bumppo on Nov 29, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I think what Year2 is trying to say

Is that because Tebow isn’t the best quarter-back skill-wise, he won’t be remembered in 10 years by any but Florida fans if he doesn’t win out. Peyton Manning and Danny Wuerffel are better passers, by a lot, than Tim Tebow is. As good a pounder as Tim Tebow is, he rarely dazzled you like running backs will because, when it comes down to it, Tim Tebow is a QB who can run, not a Running Back.

This year much of the “mystique” of Tim Tebow seems gone. It’s not Tim Tebow willing his team to victory, it’s the defense buckling down and destroying offenses. This team has had a lot of offensive bungles, and those reflect on Tim Tebow. If Florida loses to Alabama in the SEC Championship game, Tim Tebow will go in the ranks of someone who was a great player, certainly, but winning a single Heisman Trophy and a national title — with a great defense and a super-playmaker at WR in Percy Harvin last year — won’t make him one of the greatest 5 or 10 players of all time, not in everyone’s mind.

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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 27, 2009 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

hey bobo get the tape from last years seccg before you insinuate that TT is not a great passer

and please “NEVER” put Teboe in a class even close to your “I never won anything while i was the UT QB Manning” i’m sorry, he did have a perfect record against UF; a perfect 0-4. Let this quote from Nick Saban after last years seccg game ring throughout the decades to follow, and enter into the ears and hearts of people like yourself who have this rediculous idea that Teboe is not a great passer. Listen to coach Saban “we had UF’s receivers covered as good as they could be covered and Teboe made perfect throws, he only had a space the size of the football to put the ball in and he made the perfect throws time and time again”. it ain’t what a QB does during a regular season game and against average opponents. it is what he does at the end of games and during big games and championship games that counts. your boy payton (in college) had no experience in any of these situations. so please, do not mention manning in the same breathe as our: heisman, sec and national champion QB. there are a lot of QB’s that have a quick release and can put a ball on a dime, i will take our “FB” over them all, we’ll see you next year with Timmy’s backup, UT fans will know him as Mr. Brantley, until then,
God Bless.

by pLANEolG8RB8 on Nov 27, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

before you insinuate that TT is not a great passer

again. reading comprehension. he didn’t say tebow wasn’t a great passer. he said he wasn’t in the class of manning or wuerffel. i’m not going to argue. is TT a great passer? yes, i think he is. the all-time top SEC passing efficiency rating should say enough. but i don’t see how you can watch every game and come away thinking tebow is a better pocket-passer than either of the aforementioned.

we’re talking about legacy here. and accomplishments. tebow will live forever in college football lore because there hasn’t been a QB/FB hybrid in years. but is his playing style really all that different from vince young’s? are his accomplishments really any better than matt leinart’s? it’s not blasphemous for year2 to suggest that these last few games will ultimately decide his legacy…that’s what i’ve thought all along. of course tebow is one of the greats. but for gator fans to have a claim that he’s the greatEST or even in the top 5, i think he needs either another heisman or another MNC.

as of this exact moment—as a gator fan—i only have tebow a small notch above danny wuerffel as the best gator QB of my lifetime. tebow contributed to two national championships, but each player has only one national championship under his belt as a starter (and wuerffel started two championship games, tebow only one). wuerffel was the starting QB for four SEC championships. if tebow’s season ended today (if he loses to alabama), he will have only been the starting QB for one SEC championship team. seriously, can we not step back from the hero worship for one second to evaluate a player’s on-field accomplishments? no one is saying tebow isn’t great. but the media is already representing him as one of the handful of “greatest ever,” and i personally think that hinges on his performance down the stretch.

by Natty Bumppo on Nov 29, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

hero worship?? "greatest ever" hinges on his performance down the stretch

what stretch are you talking about?
wuerrfel was truly one of the greatest gators of all time. he, like TT was one of the toughest competitors i have had the pleasure to see wearing the orange and blue. and you know, it is really sad that we are even discussing individual players here with football being the consumate team sport. i understand and respect anyone who’s opinion is different than mine but here are some answers to a few points that you made above.

as a true freshman TT came off the bench in third down, short, and goal line situations. his coversions in these situations are one of the biggest reasons UF won the bcs championship in ‘06. (look at UF’s third down conversion % in leak’s first 3 seasons)
i would go as far as to say if leak could have converted more on third down, zook may have been at UF for at least a couple more years. sec champs, national champs as a true freshman

as a sophomore, UF’s offense scored plenty of points. teboe’s numbers were awesome, first 20/20 man in college football history, first and “only” TRUE sophomore to win the he15man.

as a jr. teboe played well enough to have gone undefeated, he led UF to what should have been the game tieing score vs ol miss but the xtra point was missed. he then took the blame for the teams only loss on himself and led his team to another sec and bcs national championship.

as a sr. he chose to forego the NFL $ and has now led the gators to 22 straight wins and a perfect 12-0 record this season. teboe will play in his third seccg on saturday and at least a premium bowl, maybe another bcscg.

if TT had chose not to come back for his senior season he was already one of the greatest ever, call it hero worship if you want to

by pLANEolG8RB8 on Nov 29, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry, i think the hero worship line was in direct response to all the teary goodbyes i had just seen on my TV screen, not necessarily to anything you’d written.

i really don’t disagree with you. tebow’s contributions as a freshman were definitely a difference maker, which is the reason i moved him above wuerffel on my own little list of greatest gators ever. TT is sensational.

i just think the difference between greatest ever NCAA football player and greatest ever gator rests on another championship and/or heisman. that first list is pretty monumental, from jim thorpe and jim brown all the way through matt leinart and vince young….and at this moment, with the same number of heismans and MNCs as leinart, i don’t think history will acknowledge tebow as anything close to the greatEST. which i thought was the point of year2’s post.

this ESPNinsider article from bruce feldman touches a tiny bit on the points made here; i think it does a particularly good job explaining the tebow backlash:

There is an intersection that very, very few athletes ever find themselves at. It’s the cross between being a folk hero and being a cult hero.

The folk hero is the all-time talent, the Peyton Manning, the Vince Young, the Deion Sanders; the guy so gifted you think you may never see another quite like him. The cult hero is different, a guy who in some cases is quirky but always seems to connect with a fan base for reasons beyond simply performing on the field. Owen Schmitt is one of the best examples I can think of for Mountaineer Nation. Tim Dwight at Iowa is another one. Maybe to a lesser degree your team had some walk-on special-teams ace or a DB with a knack for highlight-reel-worthy collisions.

You can see the cult hero emerge perhaps more in the college game than in a lot of other places because there tends to be less packaging involved. We get more of a grass-roots marketing vibe that spirals off these athletes.

Tim Tebow is the best example of the blend of folk hero and cult hero we have ever seen. There have been others whom you could say thrive in the same manner, but none to this degree.

Eric Berry is downright iconic at Tennessee. He’s not only going to go down as one of the best DBs to ever play college football; he is also widely regarded as a genuine, high-character, kind-hearted, downright delightful human being. He’s almost a lock to be taken higher in the NFL draft than Tebow (although that shouldn’t validate his worth in relationship to the Florida QB as a college player). Still, Berry’s team has had nowhere near the success Tebow’s has had, and he doesn’t play the same high-profile position, so the Tebow glow is 100 times brighter.

Herschel Walker, like Bo Jackson, was freakishly athletic and productive and had Bunyanesque, lyrical one-name qualities. The combination of those things carried both into cult-hero territory. Walker got an added boost because he was on great teams; Jackson because he was also a spectacular baseball talent. Archie Manning was a little like this, too, back in his day. However, they all came along at a different time than Tebow. There was no Internet. No YouTube. ESPN wasn’t talking college football as much, nor as loudly. Hence, the grassroots and not-so-grassroots marketing wasn’t in place for them.

And of course, with this comes a downside. (Isn’t there always a downside?) Tebow has become a polarizing figure. Truth be told, the undertow of the Tebow Phenomenon (and yes, it should be a capital “P”) has made him a very polarizing figure, and that is sad. People detest him the same way they resent the Black Eyed Peas or Dave Matthews. He’s popular and at times mind-numbingly prominent. Even more so because he represents something to a whole lot of people.

Cynics abound. They’re tired. To them, Tebow is nails on a chalkboard. He’s seen as a bigger, more all-encompassing version of Duke basketball or Tyler Hansbrough or Notre Dame. Tebow fatigue has been building for three years.

Rah-rah guys — and he’s an all-timer in this regard, too (another nod to the folk/cult double) — usually get under people’s skin. How many people love to see a Duke basketball player slap the floor?

In mid-September, I was at a game watching a few of the TVs in the press box in a row with NFL scouts. UF was hosting Tennessee that day. Tebow proceeded to make a play by evading a rusher to scramble and pick up a third-and-long. He got knocked out of bounds on the Gators’ sideline and then started pumping his arms and gesturing to fire up his teammates and the crowd. One of the NFL scouts said in a mocking tone, to no one in particular: “That’s right, now wave your arms and jump up and down. You know the camera’s on you, Tim.”

So is it our nature to be cynical? After all, a big part of sports’ appeal on TV is that people often tune in to root against teams as much as they root for others, and with that venom (probably too strong a word in most cases — although we’ve all probably been watched a game at one point in our lives with someone who has actually been overjoyed that a rival team’s player was injured) comes irrational thought. Years ago, I remember a vicious little circle in which some Miami and FSU fans were so happy that a Gator had gotten into legal hot water. Within a week, a Noles player got in trouble and then, just as UM fans were laughing about that, one of their players was in the news for something similar.

In Tebow’s case, how do you resent someone who is so relentlessly positive in his off-field work for charitable causes? Or the fact that the guy is in front of microphones so often and never says the wrong thing?

Tebow’s too good to be true, no? Maybe. Maybe not. He certainly seems to have done the work.

You can say there have been better college players. All that stuff is debatable, but I don’t think you could say there has ever been a college athlete who has handled the spotlight better, or been more beloved by a fan base, than Tebow. On Saturday against FSU, in Tebow’s final game in the Swamp, we saw the outpouring of that.

As expected, the game was a rout. In Tebow’s three games starting against Florida State, he accounted for 14 total touchdowns (nine passing, five rushing). He also now has 56 rushing touchdowns in his career, three behind Eric Crouch for the FBS record among quarterbacks. It is hard not to gush about the guy. In fact, it’s hard not to gush, period.

We all deal in hyperbole. Everything has to be “the best this” or “the fastest that.” Or the worst this or that. So if you aren’t a big UF fan, you probably cringe every time Tebow’s name comes up, because we all tend to go overboard. All of us.

A few weeks back I got an e-mail asking if Tim Tebow is the only college football player allowed to give fiery pep talks: “Like Colt McCoy has never rallied his team? Rolando McClain never got in someone’s face in the locker room?”

Fair enough. Soon Tebow will be gone from UF, and I’m sure a lot of folks won’t miss him, especially not the Seminoles, because that certainly wasn’t the kind of performance you’d think Mickey Andrews was hoping for in his final FSU-UF game. The Noles now have lost six games in three of the past four seasons, while the Gators move on to Atlanta.

by Natty Bumppo on Nov 30, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Timmy is good, there's no denying that...

…but he’s not the demigod that the media has made him out to be. Should Florida win out, there argument will be there, sure. However, should he lose one of these last three games, any one of them, he will just be another good college QB, just like Tommy Frazier, Chris Weinke, and Jason White were. The greatest college football player will always be Vince Young…..no question about it.

by allhailcale on Nov 27, 2009 8:18 PM EST reply actions  

He had a heck of a season and a half, no question about it. Best ever? That’s not so certain.

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by Year2 on Nov 27, 2009 9:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Point taken...

Were it not for Adrian Peterson in ‘04, Texas’ epic win over USC in ’05 would have been a rematch. Had Vince beaten that Peterson-led OU team, there would be no question. Still, the man stands tall in the argument…..

by allhailcale on Nov 27, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Breaking News...

Peter King on NBC just said “two NFL coaches of winning teams just told me that he [Tim Tebow] wouldn’t last past their pick in the 1st round.” He also mentioned that in speaking to NFL GMs and asking them about where they thought Timmy would fall in the draft, the average was around pick #33. Interesting…

by allhailcale on Nov 29, 2009 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

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