Saturday Lessons: November 21
It's hard to argue against a late-season pseudo bye week.
I am philosophically against teams playing patsies this late in the season, but it's understandable why teams do it. Florida and Alabama got functional equivalents of bye weeks against FIU and Chattanooga, getting to rest the starters for a good bit and getting a breather after a long season. They also got an extra week to prepare for their in-state rivals before taking off for Atlanta to face each other. If I was a coach, I'd love it. As a fan who was deprived of good football on TV, I didn't love it. But, fans don't run the joint; we only pay for it.
Ole Miss replaces LSU as the No. 3 in the conference.
The Rebels survived LSU's comeback attempt (or benefited from Tigers' coaches trying to lose at the end; take your pick) and now stand as the third best team in the league. Sure LSU beat Auburn, and the Tigers from the Plains in turn beat Ole Miss. However, LSU has lost to the three best teams on its schedule and escaped against Mississippi State and Georgia. That about evens out Ole Miss' close loss to South Carolina, and the Rebels have the head-to-head edge. It's messy, but I think the guys from Oxford come out ahead.
The SEC is definitely down.
Two teams are undefeated in conference play, and the worst Alabama can do is 7-1. That's dominance, and it's a nice sign for the top of the league. What's not a good sign is that we're upset wins by Miss State and Arkansas over Ole Miss and LSU away from having no one else finish better than 4-4. Yeah, we've got 10 teams that are bowl eligible, but we got it largely in the same way the ACC gets nine or so every year: weak out of conference opponents and chaos that spreads the wins around within the conference.
The dearth of good teams out there means that most other conferences are like that too. The two juggernauts at the top help keep the SEC in the discussion for toughest conference, but the best out of conference win anyone has is Alabama's win over Virginia Tech and Bama's already one of the juggernauts. A South Carolina win over Clemson would help, but that only asserts the SEC as being better than the ACC, and that's never been in doubt. A lot have been assuming the Pac-10 as the best, but the best wins anyone has besides USC's victory over Ohio State out of conference are wins over teams like Central Michigan, Utah, and Minnesota. Hardly inspiring stuff.
Oklahoma is definitely down too.
It's one thing for OU to lose games to good teams with Sam Bradford out. That much is forgivable. However, Bob Stoops almost always shuts down Texas Tech because he used to employ Mike Leach and knows how the Cap'n thinks. Well, it didn't quite work this year with the Red Raiders smoking the Sooners 41-13. Bradford doesn't play defense, and that's a mighty bad loss.
Georgia probably had its back breaker.
After mumblings about whether Willie Martinez saved his job in UGA's win over Auburn, I think we can safely put them to bed. Kentucky didn't rack up a ton of yards, but the Wildcats had three sustained touchdown drives and the Bulldog defense couldn't force field goals when put in bad spots. And that offense... I know it's tough without A.J. Green, but committing four turnovers when you lose by seven is inexcusable. Once you start losing to Kentucky when up 20-6 at the half, the status quo can't remain.
We've been here with UGA though. In 2006, the Bulldogs went 4-4 in conference including a loss to Kentucky. However, that was with a promising freshman quarterback and against a far better Wildcats team. Georgia's 2006 non-conference schedule also supplemented its I-AA team with UAB, a sucky Colorado team, and a Chan Gailey-led Georgia Tech squad. They got to 9-4 that year. Things change when you supplement the I-AA team with a top ten Georgia Tech team under Paul Johnson and a top 15 Oklahoma State team. They're staring down the barrel of 6-6 now.
LSU might not have, but it could be close.
I can't honestly say that I follow the internals of the LSU fanbase on places like TigerDroppings.com and all, but I don't think Les Miles is quite in the same predicament that Richt is in over at Georgia. Richt is losing games handily from Sunday through Friday right now before his staff has the chance to make bad in-game decisions; Miles' teams haven't been blown off the field quite in the same way. Sure he lost the game with poor clock management, but every coach does every so often and Miles' team is still doing no worse than the Outback Bowl this year.
I guess the difference is that Richt is falling down from a peak he set, whereas Miles took over at the peak from someone else. That's a substantive disparity in the two men's positions. Safe for a year or not, ol' Les certainly doesn't look worth the clause in his contract that makes him the highest paid guy in the SEC. Barring a stunning turnaround, the only way this ends nicely is if Miles goes off to Michigan next season if UM fires Rich Rodriguez.
Arkansas makes the scoreboards sing.
The Razorbacks went for 40+ points for the seventh time this season, going 6-1 in those games. They're streaking to the end of the season after putting MIssissippi State away for good in the second half of Saturday's game. It's also true that the best wins Arkansas possesses are over teams that currently reside in fifth place of the East and West divisions, respectively. Still, they look like they have a good chance at beating LSU next weekend, and that would put them at a solid 4-4 in the SEC.
We'll see on that, but eight wins and a Cotton Bowl bid (UF and Bama to BCS, Ole Miss to Cap One, tiebreaker over LSU puts them in Dallas) would be significant progress over last year. It also sets them up nicely for next year if Ryan Mallett stays (and he should; he still needs some refining) and someone figures out the defensive problems.
Tennessee at least didn't lose to Vanderbilt.
The Vols of mid-October would have put 50 on the Commodores I think, but these are now the Vols of mid-November and they're not quite as good. Such is the life of a team in Year One of a coaching regime, especially when your roster is wracked by injuries and disciplinary casualties. You have highs. You have lows. You better hope you don't lose to the Vandys of the world, which Tennessee did not.
It's back to bowl territory for them, but they need to beat Kentucky week to finish in the top three of the East. Tennessee needing to beat Kentucky to avoid the bottom half of the division? Welcome to life in a down year of the SEC.
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The Tennessee-Kentucky Game
Will decide (via tie-breakers) who the #2 team in the SEC East is.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 23, 2009 5:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Being a Kentucky fan...
It just seems strange (in a good way) that we could finish in 2nd place in the east…If that does happen, Brooks has to at least be mentioned in the conversation for coah of the year in the conference…However, we’re talking about a big “If” right now…Go cats!
by Catucky10 on Nov 23, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If UK beats UK and finishes second
Rich Brooks has to be coach of the year in the SEC.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Nov 23, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have to agree.
If they manage to beat themselves and still come in second, I’m not sure any other coach has been capable of doing that. Though Les Miles is probably attempting to.
by jsholt969 on Nov 23, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Hadn’t thought of that.
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by Year2 on Nov 23, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The SEC may be down, but...
…..Auburn beat West Virginia, Arkansas beat Texas A&M handily, LSU went out West and beat Jake Locker and Co. What will tell the tale is how ten SEC teams fare in the bowls. The SEC’s gone 19-7 in bowl games the past three years, for a 73% winning percentage. Can the league win seven bowls, this year?
by Acid Reign on Nov 23, 2009 6:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
TAMU and Washington both suck out loud. WVU’s not a bad win, but it’s not a marquee win either.
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by Year2 on Nov 23, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
TAMU will end up being 6-6.
I’m not trying to say they’re good, but I doubt that qualifies as “sucking out loud”.
by dxf04 on Nov 23, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And how many of those wins are quality? One: the inconsistent and unranked Texas Tech. They got blown out by Arkansas, blown out by the non-bowl eligible K-State, got thoroughly blown out by Oklahoma, and lost to Colorado. That’s not a good team.
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by Year2 on Nov 24, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And they haven’t even had the chance to be thrashed by Texas yet…
by peachy rex on Nov 25, 2009 2:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Zero-sum games
It sounds like Year2 is close to hitting on one of my peeves, which is declaring a league “down” based on a certain number of its Top 25 losing in conference to non-Top 25 opponents.
If the SEC is down, you couldn’t tell it by “having no one else finish better than 4-4,” or by “chaos… spread[ing] the wins around within the conference.” In a league of twelve Floridas or ‘Bamas playing each other, few of them would finish well above .500. It’s like saying that NFL plays worse football than the Pac-10 because the NFL has a higher % of .500ish teams.
Our OOC resume may be nothing to write home about but that’s because of lack of quality opponents, not because of embarrassing losses. Army-Vanderbilt aside, natch.
by PhilipVU94 on Nov 24, 2009 1:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
convenient a boog would forget about the marquee matchup
between top ten teams in ATL to open the season. See ya’ Friday boys.
"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch
by Stuck in the Plains on Nov 24, 2009 3:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't forget.
…..The OP said that the SEC was down, EXCEPT for Florida and Alabama. I was pointing out wins by non-division champs.
by Acid Reign on Nov 24, 2009 8:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's funny but the acc has the most teams in the bcs poll (5)
yes i am obsessive, obnoxious, in your face and all about covering the spread. those are my good qualities.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 23, 2009 6:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
40+ in Death Valley
I think the Hogs will blow up “The Hat” this Saturday. What do the rest of you think?
by T-towner on Nov 23, 2009 7:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
but my question is “How many points will the defense allow?”
Will the D that demoralized Auburn be there or the “d” that let Dexter McCluster run for records prevail?
The last time I felt confident about the Hogs was before the Ole Miss game – and we saw what that got me. I’m in no way feeling confident this time with a wounded Tiger as an opponent.
We’ll know the answer if Arkansas is still ahead after the third quarter – their notorious weak spot all year. If ahead. They’ll put Les & friends away.
by HogInAiken on Nov 23, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you may be right, it depends on which
lsu team shows, could be the team that is let down because of a defeat last week that they should of won, or will they be fired up and ready to play. i can’t see them rebound from that loss to ol miss so i agree with you, besides the hogs deserve to reap some benefits from the donations that ya’ll made to us in the SWAMP this year! good luck, woooo-pig-seweee!!! ;-)
by pLANEolG8RB8 on Nov 24, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As far as Auburn's bye week and Bammer playing UTC,
That should have been Iron Bowl week, but the other whiners complained about either one of us getting an extra week to prepare for the SEC CG….waah.
Upon moving to AL, I let my wife decide who she would root for. After one day at a new job full of Bama fans, she met me at the door with a hearty cry of "WAR EAGLE"
by SandMountainTiger on Nov 24, 2009 2:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Spreading losses
having two juggernauts means that there will be more losses down the rankings. The ACC gets more teams in because they lose in round robin fashion to each other. Let Arkansas and Tennessee split their games with Florida and Alabama and you would see at least one if not both of those teams in the Top #25 as well.
However, line up the ACC and SEC teams in order of rankings and place them head to head and there are few questions about the SEC team being the superior of the two. And the only real argument that the ACC will have wouldn’t occur until you get down to Virginia being better than Mississippi State (debatable) or Maryland being better than Vandy (do we care?).
by Phocion on Nov 24, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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