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A Florida fan who thinks what Spikes did should be taken seriously

I'm a Florida graduate and fan who often reads and enjoys the various SEC blogs around here. I haven't posted before but feel compelled to now, mainly because parts of the Florida assessment of the Spikes situation are embarrassing. I cross-posted to the 3 blogs where I thought it was applicable, I apologize if that isn’t supposed to be done and feel free to remove if that’s the case.

Unlike what mlmintampa says, I believe it most definitely IS Meyer’s responsibility to suspend someone for something like this. This is not a chop block or a facemask in the middle of a full speed play, this is digging at someone’s eyeballs. Everyone needs to stop trying to rationalize and downplay this. And the result of the action, whether or not Ealey actually got hurt, doesn’t change the action itself and means absolutely nothing here.

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I understand both Tebow and Spikes had their eyes poked badly during the game and had to be treated. I understand Ealey took a cheap shot at Ahmad Black’s neck. I understand Georgia did this and Georgia did that. I understand this stuff "happens all the time." I understand that if this had happened the exact same way, with the exact same camera work, in the East Carolina Memphis game on Tuesday, we probably would have never heard about it. None of that makes it the least bit excusable.

I don't care if it "happens all the time," never gets caught, and always goes unpunished (which I believe it more or less does). Fact is, it did get caught this time and needs to be firmly punished, because one day it may result in someone having a life-altering injury. Being #1 in this day and age means you are constantly in the spotlight. It also means many people hate you, even more than they otherwise do (if they otherwise do), even if they only reason you give them is winning football games. They will look for, and find, anything you do like this and blow it up. You are held to a higher standard, and you should WANT to be held to a higher standard. And just like people use you as an example with regards to all the things you do so well, you should expect to have an example made of you when you engage in a behavior, common or not, that needs to stop.

The CBS broadcast does not show beyond a shadow of a doubt anything Georgia did that was quite this egregious (of course with the focus towards the ball at the end of the play, the usual almost immediate cut-away from the big picture in between plays, etc., it definitely doesn’t prove that something this bad didn’t happen the other way either). If UGA players really were intentionally trying to cause serious harm to you or your teammates, you should stand up for yourself and your brothers, and do it well. But there are ways that you can very firmly stand up for yourself without trying to cause serious harm in return.  “Butbutbutbut they did it first!!!” is not an excuse for doing it yourself, whether or not they did. And Georgia’s lineman would not be a terrible teammate if they didn’t “put a helmet into Spikes knee” in return, they’d be a terrible and dirty sportsman. Again, stand up for yourself and your teammates the right way.

So you think Georgia players have been acting more than a little cheap and dirty lately. Fine, let them act that way. Think about the 41-17 scoreboard, the 17-3 record the past 20 years, and how pathetic it is that they are now resorting to uniform gimmicks and other nonsense in a hopeless attempt to gain some traction in this “rivalry.”

I put “rivalry” in quotes because . . . well its 17-3 in the past 20 years for goodness sakes! Georgia is 17-3 against Vanderbilt in the past 20 years. They are 17-3 against Kentucky in the past 20 years. Does Georgia consider Vanderbilt an arch rival? Does it consider Kentucky a vaunted nemesis? Of course they don’t.

If Georgia players are really gouging you and your teammates in the eye, if Ealey really spit in your face, whatever it is, just smile and remember that he might as well be playing for Kentucky or Vandy, if that’s what it takes to calm down. You, and the football program you joined, have (has) proven yourself (itself) far better than him and the football program he joined, and you should be better than him in how you conduct yourself between plays and off the field as well. There is no need to come down to his level and act like a thug just because you think he is acting like a thug. And that message should have been sent by Meyer with at least a full game suspension.

Although Spikes has participated in his fair share of foolery (see 2008, the punt vs. LSU, the bit of extra-curricular activity with Moreno, etc.), this is a first-time offense for this sort of far more serious act, and he is not “Junior-Rosecrans dirty”. Trust me, if stuff this bad had happened before, it also would have been all over youtube, with the same calls for the electric chair from the more dramatic of the Florida haters. I also understand it was in the heat of the moment and wasn’t an isolated incident, and you have to evaluate in context and with provocation in mind, whether or not the provocation was the same act of eye gouging or was spitting, trash-talking, or whatever. I’m sure the film (not the CBS broadcast) that Slive and Meyer have paint more of the provocation picture, or lack thereof, than we’ll be allowed to see.

22-year old kids do some dumb *&#$. With the first-time nature and context in mind, I would be personally satisfied with a full game suspension, harsh internal punishment (I know someone who works in the athletic department and has seen it, you don’t want any of Meyer’s private internal punishments, trust me), and an ultimatum that another such incident results in immediate removal from the team, because this type of behavior doesn’t reflect who we want to be. I’d feel the same way if it was Spikes or Sorrentino.

If someone wants to argue for 2 or 3 games, we can amicably agree to disagree. If someone wants to argue for less than a full game for something of this nature, or for something extreme like removal from the team, considering the context, I won’t agree to disagree with you, I think you are wrong. And I think Meyer is wrong here, no matter what prior provocation he saw on the game tape. This is just a little too serious of an act for a slap on the wrist.

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This was an excellent post

And an excellent write-up. I tend to agree; a one-game suspension is well-warranted for something like this. And before anyone says I just hate Florida — I do. But Brandon Spikes actually graduated the same year and from the same High School as my girlfriend and she’s quick to tell me (a Tennessee Fan) what a good guy Brandon Spikes is. I do believe this was something in response to something that happened earlier in the game, but as you say, that still doesn’t make it excuseable.

The Georgia players who gouged at Spikes should be punished with equal severity, if the culprit can be found.

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Nov 2, 2009 9:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well put.

The Georgia players who gouged Spikes should be punished as well, if it was intentional. Brandon Spikes is not a dirty player, but there’s no room in football for what he did, regardless of anything that Georgia did beforehand.

by dxf04 on Nov 2, 2009 9:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I've seen the video of the Georgia player,

it basically looks like Spikes didn’t put his chin strap on tight, his helmet comes off in the play, and immediately afterward the Georgia player comes in and hits him. It’s highly doubtful looking at that video that it could have been intentional. If Spikes had kept his chin strap on tighter, it wouldn’t have been an issue.

by jsholt969 on Nov 2, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I knew that Spikes was retaliating for getting poked in the eye earlier, but nothing I’d seen indicated that he was intentionally gouged. That’s why I qualified it.

by dxf04 on Nov 2, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A quicker writeup, from another Florida fan.

He committed a flagrant offense. No one was injured. He was punished. He apologized. The End.

by falcontom on Nov 2, 2009 9:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This.

Didn’t tell me anything I didn’t already know about Spikes. Life goes on.

by D.N. Nation on Nov 2, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You never answered my question from earlier...

If Curren did the same thing to Tebow, you’d be calling for at least a game if not multiple game suspension wouldn’t you? And please don’t lie about it.

by jsholt969 on Nov 2, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nick Williams

Dude made a late hit on Tebow. Tebow wasn’t injured. No flag was thrown. Do I have butthurt? No I do not.

by falcontom on Nov 2, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right.

A late hit is exactly the same as trying to poke someone’s eye out. I guess we should all shutup now. Gosh, why does Spikes’ even need a suspension?

by dxf04 on Nov 2, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're comparing a late hit to eye gouging????

What’s the point in even trying to reason with you?

by jsholt969 on Nov 2, 2009 10:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Because there's no chance of injury in a late hit?

Is that what you’re trying to say? They were both flagrant fouls, there were no injuries, and no flags on either play. They are comparable. One difference (of several) is that people seem to have a lot of butthurt in response to one play, and none in response to the other.

by falcontom on Nov 2, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A chance, but late hits happen. That particular one shouldn't have happened, but again,

are you really trying to compare eye gouging with a late hit? If you were to choose between the two, which would you go with? Which one has the higher risk of permanent life altering damage? I’m not sure I’ve ever seen homerism as bad as you’ve got it when it comes to such a terrible action.

by jsholt969 on Nov 2, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty sure I just compared them.

You disagree that they are comparable. I agree to disagree. The End.

by falcontom on Nov 2, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Again, you failed to answer my question. I'm guessing it's because you know I'm right,

but you’re so much of a Florida homer you don’t want to admit it.

by jsholt969 on Nov 2, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he answered your freakin question!

stop asking it repeatedly.

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones

by silverstreak3k on Nov 4, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

one thing I accidentally left out...

late hits happen, that’s part of football. If you expect to only get hit at the proper times, then you probably better not play the game. Eye gouging has absolutely no place in football.

by jsholt969 on Nov 2, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is officially the most infuriating great season ever.

I absolutely hate this season, and I’m a fan of the #1 team in the country. There is nowhere…nowhere I can escape the carousel of “This is why Florida is awful this week” stories. We didn’t beat UT by enough (bullcrap). Tebow got hurt and we supposedly didn’t treat his injury seriously enough (bullcrap). LSU wasn’t a legitimate win, because they aren’t LSU (bullcrap). The SEC pulled strings to make sure we stayed undefeated (bullcrap). Now Brandon Spikes is the Dr. Mengele of optometry (bullcrap).

I eagerly await what fake story we have to dissect next week. The worst part is, I honestly can not find a single place on the internet that actually wants to talk about football. Everyone’s too busy being offended and doling out imaginary justice. This is ridiculous. Is this what everyone yearned for all offseason?

by Giant Catfish on Nov 3, 2009 1:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I just had a moment of shocking clarity and terrifying meaning.

I’m going to New York in a couple weeks, and in addition to the Met, the Rockefeller Center, and all the other stuff I can’t wait to see/do again, the following thought just crossed my mind: “At least I’ll get a reprieve from football.”

As soon as my inner monologue finished saying that, I was immediately shocked. Reprieve….from football?

My options are dwindling. Do I give up on the internet? That’s a scary thought. What would I read, newspapers?! Do I turn this into The Season of Spite: You Can All Go To Hell, and encourage violent retribution? If everyone and their sweet old Grandma is going to lob haymakers at my program incessantly, for offenses real or imagined, why not just embrace 1980’s Miami? There are people on UGA boards calling for “Brandon Spikes to join his life-imprisoned brother soon” (actual quote), so why not just play the part and show up in camo fatigues?

by Giant Catfish on Nov 3, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s getting pretty tempting to do exactly that – if we’re going to take shots regardless, even from people who are pretty decent otherwise, there’s not much incentive to play nice. (If not for the Spikes controversy, we’d have been hearing all week about how bad UGA is, and how we didn’t beat them by enough – that was the meme starting to bubble up until the Spikes clip hit youtube. Of course, if Meyer had tacked on another TD with the starters instead of sending in the backups and taking a knee when the chance came, we’d be hearing about what a heartless jerk he is for running up the score on the poor defenceless puppies.)

by peachy rex on Nov 3, 2009 2:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you guys serious?

Last I checked you’re still the #1 team in the country and undefeated. As a Georgia fan, you think I wouldn’t trade places in a heartbeat? So what if you feel your team is being slighted? They still have all their goals right in front of them. Cry me a freaking river. You guys are unbelievable.

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by AuditDawg on Nov 3, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Florida fans need to learn to live with it.

If your team wins it all this year then, in my opinion, your team will officially be a dynasty. Those are always going to have their doubters and detractors. Please stop acting like you’re the fan of some poor team that is to be pitied and be happy that your team is winning despite all of the issues that they are facing.

by Cardfanintherock on Nov 3, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I respect both of your opinions, peachy and Catfish

But on this one I’m with everybody else. If you want to swap places with South Carolina, I think myself and the entire fan base will take it.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Nov 3, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

im not going to post it here

but go check out the comments on this exact thread over at Aligator Army. You’ll see the real side of a few commenters.

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by bammer on Nov 3, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Perspective.

Get some.

Dum spiro spero - "While I breathe, I hope"
State motto of South Carolina

by The Feathered Warrior on Nov 3, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On New York and camo fatigues.....

Hey Giant- No reprieve from football in NYC! Mke sure to watch that week’s game at the Gin Mill Bar on the upper west side. It is where the Gotham Gators meet for games and it’s a lot of fun.

As far as the camo fatigues….just wait until we play South Carolina, you won’t believe how prophetic your question is!!

by skigator93 on Nov 3, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

the point I made in my fan post not too long ago…when did we become the yankees of ncaa football?

by Hook85 on Nov 6, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Get over it

If Brandon Spikes had wanted Washaun Ealey’s eyes to be gone, they would be.
It’s mind games. I think it’s bogus that he got suspended, because hey, it was a foul and the refs didn’t catch it. Oh well, move on.
I for one think that Meyer should’ve suspended Spikes for a whole game. This would get more people to shut up, plus, we don’t need him. We have Vanderbilt. In a night game. In the Swamp.

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by colombo259 on Nov 3, 2009 4:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No, you get over it.

Namely the fact that your player got caught by the television pulling a dirty move. And by your logic, LaGarette “Falcon Punch” Blount should not have been punished because no foul was called by the refs.

by Cardfanintherock on Nov 3, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hold the presses!!

He got caught, BY THE TELEVISION! You may want to have a chat with the supposed victim in all this, he doesn’t agree with you.

by falcontom on Nov 3, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Logic escapes you

LeGarette Blount’s sucker punch was entirely different than what Spikes did. It was after the game, and yeah, that did warrant the suspension he got. That’s assault if it happens out in the real world. Blount’s lucky. Spikes did not mean to hurt Ealey, or else Ealey would be hurt.

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by colombo259 on Nov 4, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What Spikes did was also assault if it happens in the real world

Why are Florida fans the only ones who don’t seem to realize that?

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Nov 4, 2009 3:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Assault in the State of Florida

784.011 Assault.

(1) An “assault” is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

You may want to read the last clause, cocknfire. Ealey’s state of mind is the driving factor here.

by falcontom on Nov 4, 2009 8:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

His quote doesn't refer much to his state of mind

But if we’re using the test of the jury’s judgement — which is who would be making the call here — I would have to say that most people would believe that someone reaching into your helment “creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.”

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Nov 4, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

Shouldn’t your sentence read “Why are Florida fans and the supposed ‘victim’ the only ones who don’t seem to realize that?”

by falcontom on Nov 4, 2009 9:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone see espn.com lately??

Ealey has said publically to the media that he does not think that Spikes should have been suspended. So that half game sentence looks pretty good now dont ya think? Everyone get off eachother’s, Urban’s, Florida’s,and Brandon’s wood and shut the helll up

by gatorempire127 on Nov 3, 2009 8:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

facts shouldnt interject on irrational thought processes!

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones

by silverstreak3k on Nov 4, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Analogizing Pro Tip

When forced to bring in the use of a deadly weapon and a hypothetical bullet wound into your analogy, you may want to rethink the analogy. Ealey said Spikes wasn’t near his eyes. Why won’t you take his word on the subject?

by falcontom on Nov 4, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My point was that we don't let victims or alleged victims decide punishment

There’s a reason for that, as our society views punishment more as a way to prevent future crimes than as an act of retribution for past ones.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Nov 4, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It helps quite a bit though,

When the victim agrees with and backs up the prosecution. This one doesn’t. Put down your pitchfork.

by falcontom on Nov 4, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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