The SEC Would Be Foolish to Concoct any Conspiracies
Kvetching about officiating in all sports seems to have grown exponentially over the past several years. If I had to guess, I'd say it's because of the proliferation of high def TVs, high speed cameras as a part of telecasts, and the democratization of commentary found on the Internet. NFL ref Ed Hochuli's name has become a byword for bad officiating despite really being a part of only one terribly bad call. MLB is going though an umpiring flap right now. Bill Simmons has been preaching for years about how he thinks the NBA fixes outcomes of games by assigning bad officials to key games. It's all over the place.
The SEC has now come under fire because of questionable and bad calls in the Georgia-LSU games and the Arkansas-Florida games. The fact that it was the same crew in both games has caused some to whisper that things are looking shady. As in, protecting-the-higher-ranked-team shady. That very crew is going to the Alabama-Tennessee game this weekend, and if Alabama gets a notable borderline call in its favor late in the game, I would expect the whispers to grow louder.
Because SEC fans are so passionate, everyone's got a conspiracy theory about everything. Some think that Florida and St. Timothy are being protected for TV ratings. Some Florida fans think there's a general effort working against UF because its not southern enough for the rest of the conference members and would gladly cite circumstances about the probation the school got in the '80s to prove it. I've seen the case been made that officials are calling more penalties against Georgia because of the end zone dance in 2007. I'm sure you can fill me in on your school's conspiracy of choice in the comments.
Besides the obvious PR black eye that an actual conspiracy would result in, the SEC would be very foolish to try to prop up the top couple of schools at the expense of the others. Here's why.
The SEC has the reputation of being the toughest conference in football. It got there by having a ruling class, not overlords. You don't want parity, because then you're the Big East or ACC and everyone thinks you suck. You don't want to have one or two schools above everyone else, because then you're the Big Ten/Big Two of a few years back when Ohio State and Michigan dominated or the Pac-1 of today.
That reputation is a precious thing because, Gary Danielson's wacky charts aside, it really does help the conference in getting teams into both the national title game and BCS games. The Pac-10 hasn't gotten two teams into the BCS since 2002 in large part to its "USC and everyone else" reputation (and some lobbying by Mack Brown in 2004).
Trying to fix matchups in one particular season would be missing the forest for the trees. In the long run, the SEC has little to gain by keeping Florida and Alabama up the expense of other schools. If it were to get to those two schools going to Atlanta every year, then we're either back to the early '90s when the league didn't have its reputation of being the best or it will become the Big Two like the Big Ten did. In the latter case, all it would take is one spectacular failure for everything to come crashing down like it has for the Big Ten over the past couple years.
It's good for the SEC that over the last nine years Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee have all gone to the SEC title game three times apiece. It's good for the SEC that over the last ten years four different teams have represented the West at least twice. The best of all is that it happened without any conspiracies involving officials fixing games. Sure there have been plenty of bad calls over the years, but name a sport that doesn't.
If you haven't guessed it by now, I don't believe that Mike Slive is pulling levers behind the scenes trying to set up certain matches between certain teams that have certain records. I'll invoke a variation Hanlon's Razor again, as I've done before: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence. Bad calls are just bad calls, and for them to be anything more would be death to the conference.
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Just because you're paranoid
doesn’t mean they’re NOT out to get you.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 21, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I honestly believe that officiating as a whole has become substandard
and it’s not just in the SEC, or in college football for that matter. That Yankees game ref had the nerve to say that if it wasnt for replay, no one would have known he messed up. That just irks me. It is as if officials no longer take any pride in what they are doing.
It may be that the games have “sped up” to the point that the officials can no longer make a call without seeing it again, and if that is the case, then someone needs to change how penalties are called. Maybe we need more officials, but we definitely need better officials in all sports. I dont see Florida or Bama or anyone else getting anymore breaks than anyone else, because if you use replay on everything, the list of mistakes would be as long as your leg every game. As a UK fan I was thrilled at the Cats not committing any penalties against Auburn, but as a college football fan, I find it hard to believe.I have watched games from 9 conferences this year. They all had mistakes….an officiating crew used to average 1-2 big mistakes a season, now its one or two a game. That is unacceptable. Conspiracy?…..I dont think so…..lousy work ethic and getting lazy…..much more likely.
Send them all back to school, or get new ones, or get electronic ones or something…….but I really think that if they just took a little more pride in their work this would not be such a problem.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 21, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s a combination of factors (besides incompetence) : the speed of the game, and the subjectivity of many of the penalties. Personal fouls of various stripes, holding, pass interference – these are all judgment calls, and going strictly by the rules, holding and PI could be called almost constantly. And nobody wants that.
I wonder, too, if the harshness of certain penalties, especially those on the offence – OPI, grounding, holding – makes refs reluctant to call them unless they’re really sure… it’s a lot harder for the offence to overcome a ten-yarder than the defence. (Though the defence has a larger array of 15-yarders, some of which are also rarely called; the horse-collar in particular seems widely ignored, and I’ve seen more than one clear helmet-to-helmet be ignored this season.) You might end up getting a fairer result if the yardage were reduced across the board (say 15s to 10, and 10s to 5); not only might refs be less parsimonious with important but damaging penalties, but individual calls would have less of an effect on a game.
by peachy rex on Oct 21, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you may be right.....I have seen enough of it in all sports to
wonder also if the training these Refs are receiving may not be up to par….
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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 21, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The refs aren't getting worse
Our scrutiny is getting better. The refs/umps are still calling the same games they always were but with the way we can slow things down and have crystal clarity and 234 different angles (thanks to TV contracts and $), we see the play 360 in such a better way then they do. Imagine today if the immaculate reception happened. We’d know exactly what happened and if that ball hit the ground it would be a conspiracy to call it a TD… but it just lives in lore because no one is quite sure… and I’m pretty sure refs aren’t 100% sure what happened there either
by knowshon loves legos on Oct 21, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then maybe we need to change the way games are officiated
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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 21, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do agree with you that there is not a conspiracy at the SEC offices.
However I wanted to point out an alternative take to yours.
You are probably unhappy at the amount of backlash that this past week’s game has caused towards your team. As a result I don’t think that you are seeing the alleged “conspiracy” in the same light as those that are claiming it exists or throwing it out as a possibility.
I may be wrong on this, but its my understanding that people are concerned that there might be a conspiracy to protect the “hot” team(s) each year. Every year there seems to be one or two teams who established themselves in the past year or two as a frontrunner for the title that year. The past few years it has been Florida & Alabama. LSU, Georgia, and Auburn have also been those teams this decade. In the late 90s it was Tennessee. They aren’t necessarily letting everyone have a go but teams are taking their turns depending on the talent they have and how their coach controls that talent.
It is the years in which their are two hot teams that I think people are concerned about a possible conspiracy. If Florida had lost this past weekend and then had lost to Alabama in the SEC Title game then there is a possibility that they might not go to a BCS Bowl game. If, however, both teams are undefeated when they face each other in the title game then it is a near certainty that the loser is going to a BCS game anyways. The SEC is guaranteed one team in a BCS game every year, but getting two into BCS games is the ultimate goal, and the only way that happens if is one team is playing for the National Title.
Now then, look at the amount of money that is up for grabs if they do get a second team into a BCS game: $18,000,000.
Let’s say that Arkansas’ loss this weekend resulted in them going to the Independence Bowl instead of the Cotton Bowl. That means that the payout is $1.9 million less. Guess what? Another SEC team is taking their place in the Cotton Bowl so no money is actually lost. And any money that is lost by a team not qualifying is minimal compared to the $18 million that is gained by having a team in that second BCS game.
I want to reiterate that I do not believe that a conspiracy is in place. I wanted to point out that the incentive does actually exist if you think of in terms of getting that second team (regardless of who it is) into the BCS games.
I think that the primary reason that those in charge of the SEC would not conspire to rig the games is that the risk greater than the reward. Yes there is a ton of money at stake. But you have to keep a lot of people happy with a lot of money; the higher ups, the referees, the middle men between the two. Plus the bowl game money is split between the schools so there would have to be people in place to reap the rewards of that money, otherwise you’re not really accomplishing anything. If, however, one person comes out, then everything comes crashing down and there is no doubt that the fallout would devastate the league. Possibilities that come to mind as punishment range from losing BCS status to being forced to disband by the government ala Ma Bell in the 1980s. And let’s face it, there is too much of a good thing going right now to risk whatever punishment might result.
by Cardfanintherock on Oct 21, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your last paragraph
It really doesn’t matter the incentive of rigging, the risk is astronomical. This is is different than the NBA, or any professional league, because the NBA front office answers to no one. If the SEC was pulling levers and strings to get desired matchups, it would undoubtedly come out eventually, and the penalties levied by the NCAA would be unheard of. More than that, the national media (which still decides the BCS because 2/3s is voters) wouldn’t take the league seriously for decades. It would be the ’20s before we could even think about asking to get into a national title game again. The amount of vitriol written about the league would be too much to overcome. SMU on a conference scale.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 21, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The SEC is always in good shape for getting multiple teams in the BCS because of how well the fan bases travel. I mean who in the SEC doesn’t travel well? Besides Vandy, of course.
Regardless of what happens, a zero- or one-loss SEC team is in good shape for getting into this year’s national title game. If that happens, the Sugar Bowl is pretty much a lock to take another SEC team to replace it because those bowl officials love having SEC teams come to town. Even if second place in the conference has two losses, be it UF, Bama, or LSU, that’s still going to be enough to be BCS eligible and someone will snap them up.
Let’s imagine a one-loss team wins the conference, doesn’t go to Pasadena, and ends up at the Sugar. You know who has first pick among at-larges? The Orange Bowl. After several years of low ratings and crappy match ups (VT-Cincinnati last year, Kansas-VT the year before, etc), it would love to have a higher profile team than the ACC champ. Why not take Alabama and the prestige they have? If Bama is the conference champ, then Florida’s a lock because it’s an in-state team. If it’s LSU that’s next in line, then they’re still an attractive team because they travel well, are closer than any other likely at-large candidate, and are a big name school.
The conference is in no danger of having its second place team shut out of the BCS this year, and the expansion to five games a couple years back means it’ll be that way for years.
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by Year2 on Oct 21, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My hypothetical was concerning a two-loss team getting into a BCS game.
At this rate, the BCS matchups are looking like this:
National Championship: SEC #1 v. Texas
Orange: Miami v. SEC #2
Rose: USC v. Iowa
Sugar: TCU v. Cincinnati
Fiesta: Oregon v. Boise
I’m mainly basing that off of ESPN’s predictions. None of those teams has 2 losses and only the PAC-10 teams and Miami have a loss. If this were to stand then Oklahoma St., LSU, Georgia Tech, BYU, Houston, Utah, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, and Kansas (all currently one loss teams still in the BCS top 25) would be on the outside looking in. Obviously those records won’t stand with upcoming games between several of those teams but there will most likely be at least a handful that still have 1 loss once the dust settles.
If Florida had lost this past weekend and then were to lose to Alabama in the SEC CG then they would be a two-loss team competing against several 1-loss teams for that last spot. Does Florida still get the nod over the 1-loss teams? Probably but the chances are much higher if it is a one loss team who fell short in the SEC CG/NC Playoff game. This doesn’t take into account the possibility that LSU wins out and replaces Alabama in the SEC CG. But that’s a whole other can of worms.
This is all just speculation and it actually got me excited for the rest of the season. Unfortunately this weekend’s line-up of games is going to suck. I blame the MLB playoffs.
by Cardfanintherock on Oct 21, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t the Sugar Bowl have an SEC tie-in? They would get first shot at SEC #2.
by dxf04 on Oct 22, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct
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by Year2 on Oct 22, 2009 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about the money.....the whole
damn thing has become about the money. It’s not really about the athletes, or how good the coaches are or anything else. It is about how much money each program can bring in, because with the money comes the success…..I know it has all been hashed out before, but I have said for years that the money is what controls it all, if it is what is controlling the officials as well, then c’est la vie…..cause we know why it happened. The SEC is becoming bigger than it ever was thought out to be that is for sure. Replacing the Big Ten as the preeminent sports conference in collegiate athletics was a coup of untold proportions. This ESPN deal and everything it brought will keep the SEC on top for years to come……just so long as they dont forget what got them there.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 21, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it's always been about the money
at least as long as the BCS and the prior bowl alliances are concerned. The bowls want the games that will provide the best ratings. The bowls and schools make more money.
The reason the little teams don’t have equal access is not because nobody thinks a Mountain West team can be as good on the field as a team from a BCS conference; it’s that nobody thinks they will get as many people watching the game.
by CraigT on Oct 22, 2009 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.....no one complains if everyone gets rich....that's very true
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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 22, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Count me in the "not tin foil hat" camp
Of course the officiating sucks. And yeah, the refs are biased to some extent, but I don’t think it’s conscious or intentional. People in general have certain expectations, and tend to behave in ways that lead to those expectations being fulfilled. Refs are not immune to this tendency — they are human after all. So yeah, I do think that sometimes calls tend to go in favor of the perceived better team.
Also — and this has been mentioned before on this board — but it amazes me that so many players get flagged 15 yards for excessive smiling, while Tim Tebow gets to run around celebrating like crazy, and nothing happens. I don’t have anything against Tebow, but dear lord, this double standard has to stop.
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by Gregatron on Oct 21, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even as a Gator
I can freely admit that Tebow does get away with stuff that others don’t. However, I think most of that (maybe 70-80%) is the fact that he’s a QB. When’s the last time you remember that call going against a QB? It rarely, if ever, happens. For support, I point you to Ryan Mallet after the 75 yard Childs TD. He was hitting his chest as hard as Tebow ever has, and perhaps even more demonstrably. He didn’t get flagged (nor should he have, just like everyone else shouldn’t be flagged).
by Giant Catfish on Oct 21, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the star treatment
Every big name in every sport gets to get away with more. Glenn Dorsey got to stomp around all he wanted after sacks, Ryan Mallett got to thump his chest as GC mentioned, and I can remember Knowshon Moreno striking some “look at me” poses every so often.
If you’re good, you get away with more, and no, I don’t know why A.J. Green and Charles Scott then got the flags a few weeks back. I guess that’s where Hanlon’s Razor comes back in.
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by Year2 on Oct 21, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Confirmation bias is a very plausible explanation for refereeing error (or simply judgement calls that seem to favour the “better team” more often than not.)
by peachy rex on Oct 21, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true
This isn’t just Tebow. I remember Glenn Dorsey doing this, as well as Marcus Spears before him.
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by Gregatron on Oct 21, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t tell that to a Bama fan who watched JPW get flagged for the same cell phone gesture to LSU fans that was okay for Tebow and Moreno
by Watchman on Oct 22, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone said the same thing about Michael Jordon
now they are still saying it about Kobe, and Lebron.
by Hook85 on Oct 22, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure you can fill me in on your school's conspiracy of choice in the comments.
I can! Ole Miss is the racism whipping boy of the SEC. That’s our theory.
I really was hoping for a few of these from each school. I think it’s fun to see how the crazies in each fan base react to stuff like this.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Oct 21, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's the whole reason why I put that line in there
It would make for a fun book, I can tell you that. Where is everyone with these?
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by Year2 on Oct 21, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyway
One popular one for UF is that SEC refs began hating on the school because they hated Steve Spurrier, and that 12 years of practice at it have left them still hating on Florida today. The commonly cited evidence to this is that the Gators under both Spurrier and Meyer have consistently been among the conference’s most highly penalized teams. The latter part about penalty totals is true; the first part, who knows.
As for the probation in the 1980s, I’m a little fuzzy on it because Florida’s revoked 1984 league championship occurred the year before I was born. However, I know some who believe Florida got the hammer dropped on them unjustly for crimes that everyone else in the SEC was doing at the time. Supposedly the only reason UF got it and not others (and specifically Georgia) because of Vince Dooley making backroom deals in order to get his team off with no penalties. Dooley led the charge to strip Florida of the 1984 title, and he also campaigned for Florida to be on probation in 1990. This article has details.
One general one for the conference is that Bear Bryant must have been playing things dirty during his big run of success because so many of his former players and assistants ended up getting investigated for or flat out caught cheating at other schools. I can name Charley Pell at Florida, Pat Dye at Auburn, Mike DuBose at Alabama, and Danny Ford at Clemson off the top of my head, but I’m pretty sure there’s more than that.
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by Year2 on Oct 21, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only conspiracy I believe
is The Swindle in The Swamp. There’s a difference between a couple missed calls, or bad judgement calls, and 6 blown fumble calls.
I wasn’t born until after the probation business.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 21, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As was pointed out following LSU/UGA, far more fan-bases than not think the refs are out to get them and/or inordinately favour some particular rival. Now, I don’t think that Florida is uniquely cursed (or blessed) – we’ve been screwed a time or two (ie, Fumble-gate), but not as part of any systematic “get-the-Gators” plan, and no more than most anyone else. We do draw a lot of flags, but that’s because Florida teams have tended to commit a lot of penalties… and since penalties have no long-term correlation with winning percentage, I can’t really care that much about it. (That doesn’t mean I don’t get all quivery with rage thinking about Fumble-gate, however.)
by peachy rex on Oct 21, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hot Off the Presses
SEC officiating crew suspended after Arkansas-Florida game
Wednesday, October 21, 2009
The officiating crew from Saturday’s Arkansas at Florida football game will be removed from its next scheduled assignment on Oct. 31 and will not be assigned to officiate as a crew until Nov. 14, Southeastern Conference Commissioner Mike Slive announced Wednesday.
"A series of calls that have occurred during the last several weeks have not been to the standard that we expect from our officiating crews," said Slive. "I believe our officiating program is the best in the country, however, there are times when these actions must be taken."
Following each weekend, the conference office reviews games from the previous week, using video replays as well as interviews with officials, coaches and administrators.
"While only a few calls have been identified, the entire crew shoulders responsibility for each play. I have taken this action because there must be accountability in our officiating program," added Slive. "Our institutions expect the highest level of officiating in all of our sports and it is the duty of the conference office to uphold that expectation."
In addition, there will be an impact on eligibility for post-season bowl assignments for the crew.
Information for this article was provided by the SEC.
by T-towner on Oct 21, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Gators
Take off the orange and blue sunglasses and see the world as it is. Arkansas had plenty of chances to win the game, for sure, but the officiating was a huge factor and should not have been so.
by T-towner on Oct 21, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Mallet hadn't over-thrown his open FB in the endzone, you or any Arkansas supporter
would be as hard pounding about the officals. Keep that in mind.
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by TheTealDeal on Oct 21, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't*
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