Saturday Lessons: October 17
Forgive the brevity; I'm still catching up from having attended a game on Saturday and been driving all day on Sunday.
It was another one of those weeks.
Just like Week 3, this was one of those weeks were the top teams struggled. Florida tried to lose to Arkansas but couldn't quite pull it off, and Alabama had trouble with South Carolina. Texas, Boise State, and USC all barely won. Iowa couldn't put Wisconsin away until late. Virginia Tech, Ohio State, and Nebraska all lost varying degrees of upsets. On weekends like these, you just have to survive and advance.
Alabama is very fortunate to have Mark Ingram.
With Greg McElroy seemingly regressing by the week now, Alabama needed someone to make it up. That someone was Mark Ingram. In submitting the best individual performance of the week, Ingram rushed for 242 yards and had another 23 yards receiving. He tore up what is otherwise a pretty stout South Carolina defense, and his touchdown run with just under five minutes to go iced the game.
Alabama will need more than that to win against a good offense though. From an offensive scoring standpoint, it was a 6-6 ball game until Ingram's fourth quarter touchdown. Stephen Garcia made the Big Mistake and McElroy didn't, and that accounts for the rest of the margin in the game. Ingram's big day nicely papered over what was otherwise a bad day for the offense, as it rushed for 1.3 yards per rush without his carries and McElroy's yards per attempt drops from 4.6 to 3.8 yards per attempt without his receptions. The Alabama defense was excellent, but that goes without saying these days.
Florida is fortunate to have a win.
Thanks to YouTube and the Wiz of Odds, I've had a chance finally to see the three calls that Arkansas fans are upset about. The personal foul on Malcolm Sheppard? Horrendous. The pass interference on Ramon Broadway? It's close, but Broadway put both hands on Deonte Thompson's chest and appeared to push as he was turning around. Even if he didn't push, that's asking for a flag. The no call on Riley Cooper for offensive pass interference? It's hard to tell from the angle that the YouTube video is from, but Cooper was going for the ball and, since he was in front, couldn't have been "all over the back" of the defender as Gary Danielson said. A bad no call (see comments). The refs should have been consistent in making those last two plays either both flags or both no-calls.
All that aside, Florida's offense executed poorly. The play calling was random at best and idiotic at worst. The secondary had its worst game since last year's loss to Ole Miss. The defense was mystified by just about every pass to a running back. The team swore last week that it wouldn't let this one be a let down game after its big road win. In retrospect, it had better have been a let down game, or else they'll lose next week in Starkville if Anthony Dixon can do a decent Jerious Norwood impression.
Arkansas let one slip away.
I've attended a game where you go on the road against a better team, have the refs (and in this case, the clock operator too) screw you over late, and lose on a field goal with just seconds to go. I've been there. It sucks. Hard.
Look at everything the Razorbacks had in their favor though:
- Sacked Tim Tebow six times
- Recovered four fumbles, including three in the red zone, without turning it over themselves
- Held a team previously averaging 285 yards rushing to just 136 on the ground
- Gained 357 yards on a defense that had previously given up no more than 210 in FBS play
- Connected on a 75 yard touchdown pass
- Saw Brandon Spikes go out injured early in the first quarter
- Saw Florida shank a punt from its own end zone
- Held Florida to the same number of points that Tennessee's terrific defense did
That should have been a recipie for a relatively easy win, especially considering how badly Florida was playing. They submarined their chances quite a bit though with:
- At least five dropped passes, one of which was in the end zone
- Ryan Mallett missing open receivers all day, including two open ones in the end zone
- Getting just seven points on three possessions that began in Florida territory
- MIssing two field goals
It sucks when the refs help the other team out copiously on one of its twelve drives. But, any time you have that many advantages and then shoot yourself in the foot that many times, you have to look at yourself in the mirror. Florida may have had some help from the refs in winning the game, but the Gators got a lot more help from the Hogs. It should have been 14-3, not 10-3, at halftime and easily could have ended up roughly in the neighborhood of a 33-20 Arkansas win.
Georgia and Kentucky stopped the bleeding.
The Bulldogs were feeling really bad after last week's bludgeoning at the hands of Tennessee. Vandy turned out to be just what the doctor ordered. UGA cruised to a 34-10 win where it came out comfortably ahead in just about all statistical categories. This one wasn't really about the score or stats though, as beating up on a team that lost to Army means very little. The key thing was getting a nice, easy win to rebuild confidence going into the bye week to help preparations for a suddenly very vulnerable looking Florida team.
Kentucky, meanwhile, picked up its first SEC win in dramatic fashion. The Wildcats scored two fourth quarter touchdowns to beat a now reeling Auburn team at Jordan-Hare. It has to be a great feeling after losing a heartbreaking game - and Mike Hartline - last week against South Carolina. UK needed that one to get back on track for going to a fourth straight bowl, and they got it.
Auburn did not.
Maybe we were giving the Tigers a bit to much credit for all those early non-conference games. Just a bit.
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Jerious.....(gulp)......Norwood.
I made a pact with the devil to never hear or read that name again. It appears ol’ Lucifer can’t be trusted.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 19, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really with Seth and Amy
“The no call on Riley Cooper for offensive pass interference? It’s hard to tell from the angle that the YouTube video is from, but Cooper was going for the ball and, since he was in front, couldn’t have been “all over the back” of the defender as Gary Danielson said."
Really? REALLY Year2? He was in front? Really? Because I known when someone is behind me, that generally means they aren’t also simultaneously in front of me. And it’s pretty clear from the video, and if you saw it in real-time, that Cooper was behind him. Really.
by blackertai on Oct 19, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All I have to go on is this replay. Pause it at 19 seconds in. Cooper is closer to the goal line than the defender is. That’s what I mean by “in front of.” The contact that was made was Cooper’s hip and shoulder hitting the defender’s hip and shoulder. There was nothing done to the defender’s back that I can tell from that video.
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by Year2 on Oct 19, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Florida is very fortunate to have Tim Tebow.
Period.
"We intend to go out and hit people in the mouth. That's how we play. We're going to run the ball at you and we're going to stop you from running the ball. That's our personality, and we're going to have fun doing it." - Rolando McClain
by lcase373 on Oct 19, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yea, the Florida receiver is definitely “in front” of the Arkansas DB. Those blue and orange glasses must be REALLY thick.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
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by Zoltar on Oct 19, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cooper is closer to the quarterback than the defender is. That’s what I’m talking about when I say “in front of.” See how no part of the defender’s body is being blocked from this angle’s view by Cooper? The defender is behind him.
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by Year2 on Oct 19, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the ball is on the other side of the defender, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Where the QB and the goal line are is totally irrelevant. They’re trying to catch the ball. The ball is coming down in front of the arkansas player. The florida receiver is on the arkansas player’s back and interferes with the catch. It’s pretty plain to see.
How can you say that “he couldn’t have been all over the back like Danielson said” when in this picture it’s perfectly clear that he is coming over the back of the Arkansas player.
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by Zoltar on Oct 19, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There isn’t a single part of Cooper that is touching the defender’s back. Shoulder? Yes. Hip? Probably in another frame of video or two. Back? No.
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by Year2 on Oct 19, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol. come on.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
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by Zoltar on Oct 19, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sure looks like he’s all over the back… and behind the defender
by elunomexicano on Oct 19, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let it go
No one here in this particular thread is saying that the game was won or lost on this call, or the calls in general. We’re just showing you hard evidence that Cooper was… well sh*t… ALL OVER this DB. Got one arm tied and his other arm rests over the DBs head which eventually comes across his shoulder too. A truly Houdini type trick if he’s got position on the ball in any way.
by knowshon loves legos on Oct 19, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I have said before
OPI never gets called on a last minute drive at the end of a game…NEVER!
by Hook85 on Oct 19, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously you're not familiar with Razorback history
Just last year at the first Nutt Bowl, the Hogs were down in the fourth quarter, but started to mount a late comeback, they had just completed a pass that put them in field goal range and still had a few seconds to try a couple shots at the end zone, but instead of upholding the catch this happened
by elunomexicano on Oct 19, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, he’s not over the back. He’s over the head, shoulder, arm, and side. What was I thinking!
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
by Zoltar on Oct 19, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
That angle looks a lot different than the angle from the video. A correction has been posted.
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by Year2 on Oct 19, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This photo
Is a lot more telling than the video. Kudos for the correction.
by knowshon loves legos on Oct 19, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just throw out the angles
Forget about the fact of where the ball is coming from and where the receiver and defender are positioned to make a play on it. Let’s just say that Cooper is close to the goal line and therefore must be on the front side of the pass.
You’re really reaching here, and you know it.
If Cooper has is arm OVER the DBs left shoulder, which he clearly does, this makes it physically impossible for him to be ‘in front’.
I’m not here to argue a call or no call, but at least be honest with yourself that the logic you’re using is flawed.
by knowshon loves legos on Oct 19, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure that if some one looks at a replay of any football game, there will be several missed calls. And I’m also sure that if a Florida fan looks for missed penalties in the Arkansas game they’ll find some too, but the hog database has collected some pretty interesting views of some flags/non flags you should check out
by elunomexicano on Oct 19, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
South Carolina is great at producing heisman quality running backs...
for the other teams. I don’t know if any one has really pointed this out, but in 06 it wasn’t really until the South Carolina game that D-Mac really got noticed and became a front runner for the heisman. Then in 07 again D-Mac had fallen slightly off the radar heisman wise until his 321 yard performance against SC. Then this year Ingram happened.
On another note though, there might be a curse that Ingram has to overcome, because after all D-Mac only got second place both of those years.
by elunomexicano on Oct 19, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you don’t set the all time rushing record or rush for 1,900+ yards, you don’t get the Heisman as a running back. It’s sad, but true; it’s been that way for a quarter century. I believe Herschel Walker in 1982 with his 1,752 yards was the last pure running back to win it without attaining those thresholds.
The lone exception of course is Reggie Bush in 2005, but that’s why I said “pure running back” in relation to Walker. He had a few things going for him besides just rushing success, as he was a good receiver out of the backfield, a dangerous return man, and he was basically anointed by the media as the winner in the preseason (which only a loss by USC would allow someone else to overcome).
Ingram is a pure running back, so his chances aren’t great unless he keeps up the pace he was at against South Carolina. He’s on target for something between 1,600-1,700 yards, which makes for a sensational season but doesn’t means he’ll be a Heisman lock. If Alabama goes undefeated and wins the conference though, it’d be hard to see someone else taking it given how many interceptions Colt McCoy is throwing this year.
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by Year2 on Oct 19, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He only has a shot because all the QB’s are having mediocre years.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
by Zoltar on Oct 19, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Herschel was "anointed"
I can go along with that, considering he placed third in the Heisman voting as a freshman and second as a sophomore. It was a natural progression.
by NCT on Oct 20, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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