Fire the Refs: Florida 23, Arkansas 20
For the second time in three weekends, a great game that was decided in the final seconds was at least heavily influenced by the officials.
That's bad enough when the game is a close-fought game between two teams perceived to at least be equals, at it was with LSU-Georgia a few weeks ago. And perhaps it's not quite as bad when the call is controversial but defensible.
I can think of nothing defensible about the late personal foul call against Arkansas -- I believe the player involved was Malcolm Sheppard -- with Arkansas leading 20-13. The play, which put Florida even closer to the goal after a 15-yard pass interference play that was almost as dubious, featured nothing even remotely resembling a penalty. The offensive player was trying to make a block, Sheppard was trying to get to the ball carrier, and two players collided. It's called football. That happens.
Arkansas still could have come away with the victory. The Razorbacks failed to keep Florida from scoring on the next play of the drive and they missed a FG later in the game that would have made the Gators' final kick nothing more than a game-tying FG. But how many obstacles should an underdog have to overcome when they're already playing against a more talented team on the road?
As few as possible, and it is the officials' responsibility to assure that. Calls should be clear fouls, not confusing flags that do nothing but help a team avoid the upset. Sure, Arkansas still had the opportunity to win this game. But can you blame them for folding?
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Those two penalties were just execrable.
by Nashville on Oct 17, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is that the only thing to take from this game?
Nothing else…really? Yeah they were awful, but….the only thing?
Ok.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, really. “A whale of a game”, to quote someone from the game thread, and the sole takeaway is “they wuz robbed”? That’s as disappointing a performance as the one the Florida offence gave most of the game. You can do better – I’ve seen you do better, plenty of times.
by peachy rex on Oct 17, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll have more of the football take in the overall wrap Sunday evening/Monday morning
One of the things that is disappointing about the game is that it was so good and it was ruined by the officiating
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by cocknfire on Oct 17, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arkansas had six sacks and was plus 4 in turnovers on top of 350 total yards. They didn’t have that much to overcome and one call didn’t decide the game. They missed two field goals, drooped a TD, and missed a couple of wide open receivers in the end zone. Arkansas blew it plain and simple, and one penalty wasn’t the difference.
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by Year2 on Oct 17, 2009 9:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Florida blew plenty of opportunities as well
I don’t want to keep going round and round on this, but the personal foul call was unbelievably bad. It helped to a Florida score that was, in the end, part of the difference. That doesn’t change becuase Arkansas didn’t capitalize like it should have.
I don’t believe I said anywhere that the call was the difference. I said the game was “heavily influenced” by the call. I don’t really see how that can be disputed.
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by cocknfire on Oct 17, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It came on first down; it’s not like it wiped out a punting situation. If it was on third down I might buy the “heavily” part, but not when it’s on first down. It was an influence, but no more than any of the three combined missed field goals or the TD drop that Arkansas had.
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by Year2 on Oct 17, 2009 10:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
In a game that ended with field goal. Giving Florida 30 free yards in the Arkansas side of the field in a one possesion game was monumental. Also if that was a pass interference then there should have been one on the fade that Childs dropped and there should haven been an offense pass interference on Cooper in the end zone. .
by rocket8188 on Oct 18, 2009 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What can you argue with his comment
even without the Flags, does that gurantee FL wouldnt have gained those yards by itself. They ran the clock and with three runs up the middle with Tebow just to center the ball. I am pretty sure without the penalties they still had a good chance.
by Hook85 on Oct 18, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
It wasn’t easier to score with 25 free yards on penalties. Converting on third down isn’t a moot point when you get an automatic conversion on first down. And the non-call on a pass interference by Cooper later in the game also didn’t make the ensuing FG any easier.
Forget I even mentioned it.
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by cocknfire on Oct 18, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I took from it
I had to turn off the television out of frustration. And I am not even an Arkansas fan.
Again, worst call I have ever seen. And I can’t think of a close second.
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by kidbourbon on Oct 19, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shameless
I hate to keep beating a dead horse, so it makes me happy when others beat the horse instead.
Although I certainly wish that Ark. had played well enough to overcome the screwing, I think your take is about right. It’s a tremendous encouragement when you know that, even if you don’t quite play your best, you’ll have the zebras bail you out on any situation that’s remotely close. Likewise, it’s really psychologically tough to know that you have to play an almost perfect 4th quarter to win.
The refs may not have decided this game, but their impact is felt on every play after the screwing.
If there’s any redeeming quality to cfb’s archaic polls system, it should be that it lets voters correct for nonsense like this. As far as I’m concerned Florida should be ranked a lot closer to a one-loss team than a zero-loss team.
by PhilipVU94 on Oct 17, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Florida isn't winning the national title
Their offense is mediocre and if it wasn’t for some blown coverages they can’t get big plays. I think Alabama will be able to beat them. The only concern is Alabama’s offense, if they can’t run they are screwed.
If not Alabama, Texas will beat them. A competent secondary with a competent offense can beat this team.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Oct 17, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not too big on Texas after they struggled against a Oklahoma team that has been devestated by injuries.
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
by 49er16 on Oct 17, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have no idea what you are talking about
That offense drove down the field many times, but shot themselves in the foot. Sure they need to clean up the mistakes, but to say thier offense only scored off of blown covereages is dumb. The reason those coverages were blown was becuase of the gators offense. Ark clear game plan was to stop the run, they blitzed on every play almost. With that crazy amount of run stopping coverages, the Gators actually missed many open men.
by Hook85 on Oct 18, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are absolutely right
If we fumble 4 times then both Alabama and Texas would surely beat us.
I don’t think Florida plans to fumble 4 times again, though.
And despite having our All-American defensive captain out of the game (as everyone apparently has forgotten), our defense still played well enough to win a game against what was supposedly the best passing offense in the SEC.
by skigator93 on Oct 19, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look
I just got home from the game and from my seat I can’t comment on any penalties. But, Arkansas could have had two or three more TDs if they didn’t drop so many passes or have Mallett miss so many open receivers. Maybe the penalty was BS, but that’s far, far from the story of the game.
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by Year2 on Oct 17, 2009 8:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Can’t we just say that’s what lost the game for Arkansas? ;-)
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
by 49er16 on Oct 17, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
w/r/t to the men in stripes...
Florida ’09 = Duke ’02
May you meet a better, non-karmic fate, Gators. But sheesh. What rancid calls.
by D.N. Nation on Oct 18, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And I should add this...
The following happened in the Georgia/Vanderbilt game today:
- Joe Cox was sacked.
- A defender out of the two ripped Cox’ towel out of his pants…
- ..and then threw it in the air.
- No flag.
Now tell me this. If Reshad Jones were to stuff his fist down Tim Tebow’s mouth, and rip out his mouthpiece, and then toss it in the air, would Penn Wagers, or whatever brilliant official the SEC were to have officiating the WLOCP, let it go? As in, not eject Jones, and not flag him? I mean, it’s just equipment, right? In the heat of battle, right? And there’s CERTAINLY not an issue with officials calling that sort of thing against Georgia in this conference, right? This isn’t a demonstratively corrupt conference, is it?
by D.N. Nation on Oct 18, 2009 1:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
o god...
I hate fans who cant accept thier team is losing they have to come up lame excuses.
by Hook85 on Oct 18, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
um ...
The no-call about which D.N. Nation complained was in a game Georgia won. All we’re asking for is a little equity in calling the penalties and that the unsportsmanlike/celebration-type penalties be called (or not) with some rational basis and fairly across teams and games.
As far as I can tell, no one is saying that bad calls cost Arkansas the game against Florida. But if bad calls are a factor (among many — most of which can be attributed to the actual game, as in Florida’s turn-over mistakes or Arkansas’s lack of execution or whatever), there’s nothing wrong with pointing them out and discussing them. It’s not as though this is the only coverage of the game. Calls will almost always be questioned after a close game that could have gone either way, but for “this or that”.
As a fan of a program that’s had undefeated seasons, I’ll add that questions will always pop up, but they will fade fast with time.
by NCT on Oct 18, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe I was just a little deflated
but it seems to me a lot of the focus is on the questionable calls, and not much focus on a very close game all the way through.
by Hook85 on Oct 18, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. questionable is a huge understatement. They were bogus.
2. what do you expect? Same thing happened in the LSU/Georgia game and that was just one bad call.
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by Zoltar on Oct 18, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bogus, not questionable
This.
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by kidbourbon on Oct 19, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now tell me this
Do you really believe your analogy is remotely accurate?
Georgia fans have quickly run through the momentary goodwill on that LSU call. Everyone knows it was a blown call. Even the SEC office admitted it and apologized. Anyone with an ounce of sense could recognize the conference almost certainly directed crews to cool it with the celebration penalties in the aftermath. Get over it.
I watched the Georgia-Vandy game with some Bulldogs and I must have gritted my teeth through ten different instances of Bulldog fans calling for celebration penalties on Vanderbilt. Considering Vandy only had about ten or twelve good plays, it’s not an exaggeration to say I had to put up with someone in red and black asking the television ’where’s the flag?’ on practically every decent play for the ’Dores. Just shut up and worry about finishing ahead of Kentucky.
And no, this isn’t a demonstrably corrupt conference. For that, Georgia fans should be as thankful as any, since it likely would go much worse for you if it were corrupt, as, if you polled SEC fans on the one team most likely to spark schadenfreud, your beloved Bulldawgs would be at or near the top of the list.
by GwinnettGamecock on Oct 18, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes!
A South Carolina fan in Gwinnett certainly gets my sympathy (as everyone who lives in Gwinnett does and for being surrounded by a disproportionate number of rabid and unreasonable Georgia fans).
But I think you have to cut us Bulldogs some slack. We’re grumpy. we haven’t started a season this badly since 1996 (I think). We’ve been spoiled. The blown call in the LSU game would have been even worse if we’d actually deserved to win the game otherwise, but as it is, it gives us something else to complain about in a year when complaining seems like all we’ve got. I don’t think any program wouldn’t have a similar mood and response under similar circumstances.
by NCT on Oct 18, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want to blame the refs. I wish Ryan would have made more plays. Arkansas outplayed Florida the entire game and just missed opportunities. It happens its called football. This is from an Razorback fan.
by rocket8188 on Oct 18, 2009 5:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you
It must be anoying that no one is giving arkansas any credit here, Its almost like the Tenn, UGA game last week. Everyone is downplaying Arkansas almost beating the number one team because they are too over rated to be number one.
by Hook85 on Oct 18, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arkansas should have won this game.
Arkansas is to blame for choking away opportunities.
The refs are also to blame. You can’t exonerate the refs because of Arkansas’s mistakes. The OP described what happened perfectly when he said the refs heavily influenced the game in favor of Florida. These arguments that “you can’t prove Florida wouldn’t have scored anyway” are RIDICULOUS. You can’t prove that they would have scored without these gifts from the refs either. Those were huge penalties that were not even close to being justified.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
by Zoltar on Oct 18, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This.
You Gators fans need to take the orange and blue shades off. You were given a gift; own up to it. There were other factors in the game, and no one is arguing that there weren’t. But those calls were bogus, they had a huge influence on the outcome of the game, and I’d have to agree with the UGA fans that claim there are double standards in this league.
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by Gamecock Man on Oct 18, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll never take my Orange and Blue shades off
becuase the majority of people commenting wont take off thier Orange and Blue hater shades off. Why should I be fair and unbiased when nobody gives credit to either team, all that matters is those 2 calls? the 4 turnovers by UF influenced the game 10x more then those calls ever did. But nobody wants to read about florida playing terrible but arkansas letting them stay in the game with missed oppurtunities and UF’s defense helping as well, and then Tebow took over the 4th quarter.
You cant say, I know the 2 calls didnt decide the game, but then go ahead and write an entire post about the 2 calls…what about the rest of the game? and then all of the comments confirming it.
Blockquoted paragraph These arguments that "you can’t prove Florida wouldn’t have scored anyway" are RIDICULOUS.
Why are they rediculous? You cant take credit away from a team becuase a questionable call from the refs. Especially when the calls came early, when they still had 4 downs to keep driving down the field. Only thing that was stopping Fl drives was Fl.
by Hook85 on Oct 18, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the 4 turnovers by UF influenced the game 10x more then those calls ever did.
So what? You fumbled. That’s your fault. On the other hand, when the refs unjustly penalize Arkansas repeatedly that is NOT Arkansas’s fault. See the difference?
You cant take credit away from a team becuase a questionable call from the refs.
Why not? And for the record, we’re talking about multiple calls that resulted in huge gains for Florida. You took the free yardage, the refs take the credit.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
by Zoltar on Oct 18, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I’ll concede the calls were questionable, but to call them bogus is just plain wrong. I have seen both of the calls been called many times before. especially the PI. You cant expect a ref not to call a flag on a DB who blocks a wr from catching the pass. When you see it on replay, the pass was probly too short, but he still didnt give him a chance to catch it.
by Hook85 on Oct 18, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, Florida should have been called for offensive pass interference on this play. It would have lead to a second and 25 instead of a third and 10 on the winning drive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWAmTFB_StQ&NR=1
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
by Zoltar on Oct 18, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To call them “questionable” is just plain wrong. The PI, especially, was just plain bogus.
by dxf04 on Oct 18, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make that Personal Foul, not PI. PI was on the verge of questionable, but what’s bogus is that it wasn’t called when Arkansas almost picked it off in the endzone.
by dxf04 on Oct 18, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever seen
a ref call PI on the offense on a game winning drive, the would have to takle the DB to get called. It just doesnt happen, call it what you want, but thats football.
by Hook85 on Oct 19, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, that’s inconsistency. If they’re going to call ticky-tack defensive pass interference on late tying drives then it’s BS to not make that offensive PI call.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
by Zoltar on Oct 19, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The personal foul call was the worst I have ever seen
Bogus is actually an understatement.
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by kidbourbon on Oct 19, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll just point to this thread in the future when Bama fans or others accuse this site of being pro-Florida
No one is going to take the win away from Florida. That wasn’t the point of the post. The point was that the refs made it to where we’ll never know for a fact who would have won the game if they hadn’t spent so much time calling fouls that weren’t there.
That’s all I want from the officials. Stay out of the way of the game unless a clear penalty occurs and let the team who wins the game win the game. Florida might have done so anyway, likely would have given the way that the game went. But no one who watched the game and saw the “personal foul” can honestly claim that it wasn’t one of the worst five calls they’ve seen in watching college football history. Name five worse.
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by cocknfire on Oct 18, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One more thing
And this might seem like a small thing to you, but it isn’t to me. Please refrain from using Jesus as an expression.
I really don’t have many other hard and fast rules about commenting on this site — I can think of one — and I try to stay away from asking much. If nothing else, do so as a courtesy to me.
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by cocknfire on Oct 18, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The 2 calls
The PI call gets called more often than not, even by good referees. The defender pushed into the WR before he turned to the ball. Had he turned his head first, it would have been an easy no-call. That being said, it was 1st down and 10, so it’s silly to point to this play as the game changer.
The personal foul call was worse. But after reviewing the video though, I don’t think the ref threw the flag on the actual hit. I think he threw it on the gesture that Shepard made toward the lineman while he was down. It is still a no-call, as he didn’t do anything close to warranting a unsportsmanlike call. But take a look and see if you agree (not with the flag being thrown, but that the flag was on the follow up as compared to the actual hit). Although it would still be a terrible call, I think it at least makes sense that a ref made a judgment call (although a bad one) as opposed to penalizing the player for throwing down the blocker that was coming at him. I think Verne and Gary missed the call almost as bad as the ref did.
It that were a no call (as it should have been), we’re looking at 2nd and 9 from the 20. So I don’t agree that either of these calls decided the game.
The Gators are 6-0 and I’m not apologizing to anyone. You can cry about the calls, our schedule, the weather, etc.
by skigator93 on Oct 19, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry - here's the link
A bad call, but, was he flagging the hit or the aftermath?
by skigator93 on Oct 19, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s the video of the pass interference call.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI4v1o-ZhzI
In no way did the defender push the WR. There was minimal contact that I would only describe as brushing up against the WR and only because the WR was out of position relative to the ball.
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by Zoltar on Oct 19, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freeze it at 0:13
2 hands on the receivers chest before turning to the ball will get you flagged. Sorry.
It should have been a no call and 2nd and 10, which is not that big of a deal.
by skigator93 on Oct 19, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“2 hands on” is a very iffy description. You make it sound like he’s palms out pushing on the receiver. To me it looks like his hands just brush up against the Florida player since they are so close.
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-Hank Hill
by Zoltar on Oct 19, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The PI call is questionable
That same call happens all the time, I have mentioned this before…When the QB throws it short, and the WR tries to go back for it and the DB prevents him from catching it…That gets called PI all the time. Especially when the DB isnt looking.
The other flag…I dont know
by Hook85 on Oct 19, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A late Hog-fan weigh-in on the game:
I haven’t checked around the ‘sphere for individual reactions and comments on the game yet as I spent the weekend hosting house guests who were thankfully college FB fans and were as eager as I was to watch the myriad quality (at least in entertainment value) games this weekend. They were barely taken back by my liberal use of “outdoor voice” and floral language during the game, and for that I compliment them. I was in a house full of Carolina and Bama fans and as the second half of the ARK/FLA game progressed, their polite indifference to my blatant homerism shifted. Much like the crowd of evil Russians who witnessed the legendary Balboa/Drago fight in the 1980’s, they slowly realized that the underdog had more than a puncher’s chance at victory AND that nothing contrasts against the injustice of a predetermined outcome under an authoritarian system better than the simple man battling with all of his guts in support of a universal good.
Slowly, they too were coming out of their chairs, pointing out open receivers, bemoaning blown coverages – imprecise routes and stone-handed incompletions. When the dreaded “bad calls” of the fourth quarter occurred (and no one has mentioned the no-call on the obvious backfield holding on, I believe, the play after the now-infamous personal foul) they, my house guests, were not just metaphorically chanting “Rocky” for the underdog Razorbacks but were ready to, again metaphorically, overthrow the Politburo and burn the Stalinist referees at the steak.
Were the calls the difference maker in what will, in all likelihood, not be a game long discussed by either fan base? I don’t think so. Florida would probably have scored on that drive because the defense had played their hearts out, the tank was dry and, as was pointed out by others, the offense had just left too many opportunities behind that would have seriously changed the complexion of the game. But, just as Rocky 4 moviegoers in the 80’s walked out of that movie convinced of Balboa’s moral superiority and of the overall righteousness of the “American Way”, football fans across the nation came away from the Florida/Arkansas game with a new perspective on the assumed and anointed “Nation Champion Florida Gators”. No longer do they posses the moral authority of a team led by a Christ-like figure. No longer is their talent level assumed to be beyond reproach. No longer are the Gators viewed through the Rose Bowl-colored glasses of football pundits, analysts, color-commentators, and network lackeys. No friends, they are now the Enemy. (And believe me the #1 BCS ranking has done nothing to help their revised image as the overinflated darlings of the establishment!)
The nation will embrace Mark Ingram and his weeble-wobble-like inability to be tackled. They will cheer Iowa and other plucky non-conference BCS-busters. Hell, they might even start to like Texas, USC, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Michigan and other traditional villains. But what they will no longer do is support Florida. Their image is tarnished. I even heard some positive comments on the coaching prowess and surprising commitment shown by Coach Petrino to the U of Arkansas.
Beware Florida. Someone’s gonna make a speech soon to “tear down your wall” of presumed infallibility – Heck, they may even put it on a plaque! – and the world may cheer as the evil empire falls.
by HogInAiken on Oct 19, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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