Weekend Open Thread
South Carolina Gamecocks at Alabama Crimson Tide, Oct 17, 2009 7:45 PM EDT
Your schedule is below and we will, as always, set up an overflow thread if things begin to get too bogged down. I will be around, even if Year2 and his bride are watching real, live SEC football.
Georgia at Vanderbilt, 12:21 p.m. ET, SEC Network
Mississippi State at Middle Tennessee State, 12:30 p.m. ET, ESPNU
Arkansas at No. 2 Florida, 3:30 p.m. ET, CBS
UAB at Ole Miss, 7 p.m. ET, FSN
Kentucky at No. 24 Auburn, 7:30 p.m. ET, ESPNU
No. 21 South Carolina at No. 1 Alabama, 7:45 p.m. ET, ESPN
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Bradford goes down holding his shoulder
Texas fans cheer. Stay classy, Redneck State (that is the nickname, isn’t it?)
how can you discern
the cheers for the monster sack vs. the fact that he’s prob out for the game?
granted texas fans are probably a bit more relieved that bradford is out, but i wouldn’t label them that harshly that quickly
CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL YAKNAWIMEAN?
They kept cheering long after it was clear he was hurt
Plus, Texas fans are scum. That is only personal experiences, though. I seem to be alone in that opinion.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
regardless
im looking forward to ole miss’ home and home against them…never been to austin and i hear its a great college town/gameday experience
CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL YAKNAWIMEAN?
I have a friend at UT pharmacy school
and I try to visit her once a semester or so. It’s a fun town, but I wore a UF hat once, and caught more “f@ggot!”, “How’s Tebow’s *ock taste?” etc than I ever have at TWLOCP, Tallahassee, or any SEC rival. Maybe it’s a cultural thing, but they were bad.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Georgia 7, Vanderbilt 0 -- 3:27 1Q
A 65-yard catch and run by A.J. Green.
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The only fans who are even remotely entitled to criticize our fan support
…are South Carolina fans, since they’ve pretty much packed their stadium for lousy football for years. Even then, it’s the difference between a pretty large state university (and the huge number of alumni, sidewalk alumni, etc. that result) and a school with like 5k undergrads.
Other than that, I don’t give a shit what some fan of a football factory thinks of our fan support.
You tell 'em, brother.
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State motto of South Carolina
by The Feathered Warrior on Oct 17, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
QBs should go ahead and wear a red jersey at this point
You’re not allowed to hit them anyway if the roughing call against OU is to be believed.
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I hope Messr. McCoy didn't get nonrefundable hotel reservations in December in NYC
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He's had a pretty rough year
I picked OU in my pickems, but I wouldn’t have if I knew Bradford was going to get hurt again. Now…I think I’d still pick OU. Texas is a strange team.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Vanderbilt isn't fast enough to try misdirection in SEC games
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If you're the best program in Texas
you should have all-world OL and RBs every year. Mack Brown is overrated.
Mississippi State up 10-0, MTSU driving
Dixon doesn’t have the record yet
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MTSU's DC is a top candidate for FSUs DC position
once Jimbo takes over. Judging by the score, 17 – 3 MSU, I say “Good choice, FSU!” Endorse fully.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Insanity in Dallas!
Stupidest penalty ever. OU muffs the punt, UT picks it up, but fumbles through the endzone! Touchback OU.
Wow.
Penalty came before and led to the punt.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Nevermind
You can’t advance a muff? How did I not know that?
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Linebacker kitty (who’s going to be nose tackle kitty the way she’s growing) wishes to point out that Ohio State trails Purdue 9-7 at the half. The Buckeyes have been out-gained two to one, out-possessed by even more, and have coughed up the ball thrice.
Atrocious penalty on Vanderbilt...
Refs called “leaping” on a blocked field goal. Not even close.
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by The Feathered Warrior on Oct 17, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions
Ahem.
So a Vandy player, on a sack, rips Joe Cox’ towel out of his pants and throws it in the air. No flag.
I'm switching between games,
so I haven’t seen the whole game. Does that play, though, somehow discount the fact that the leaping call was bogus?
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by The Feathered Warrior on Oct 17, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Leaping call was actually correct.
I don’t like the rule, either. But it is what it is.
I'll admit,
as the announcers explained it, it might actually be correct. However, I have a hard time believing that a player should be called for leaping when he jumps straight up and then a lineman happens to fall under his feet while he’s in the air. That doesn’t seem correct to me.
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by The Feathered Warrior on Oct 17, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That was one of the worst quarterbacking decisions I’ve ever seen – all day in the pocket, acres of room to run, and Pryor heaves a rainbow downfield to a guy tightly covered for the inevitable pick.
And then Purdue hands it right back on an equally atrocious pass. The Big-10 Network : where ugly happens.
And Pryor is picked again, throwing to the sidelines – nice play by the corner to dive in front of the receiver. That’s three drives in a row ending in interceptions (this is a game, mind you, which featured four consecutive drives ending in fumbles in the first quarter; a quarter capped off by a missed figgie, just for an added icing of impotence.)
I’d better check the listings again and make sure this actually the B-10 Network and not Comedy Central.
Larry Smith actually looks competent for a drive
Nice throw on 3rd and long, then does a nice job on the TD. 17-10 Georgia. I’m going to go shower and stop watching so that I can pretend this is the real Vanderbilt offense instead of ruining my positive impressions.
Desperate heave incomplete as Pryor’s flushed – over on downs. Purdue is only 2:16 from a huge upset.
Oklahoma player pops McCoy in the head after he slides killing the clock
Stay classy, OU
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It's not like you're going to run on 3rd and 8
And I’m not sure that the back would have been able to prevent that sack.
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Mallett looks pretty well out of synch, but he’s not getting protection – he was flushed there with only three men coming.
Yeah, but the receiver has to catch the third down pass
It’s on both sides of the pass offense right now.
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Well if you're interested in former Mississippi State coaches
Wasn’t Sylvester Croom an offense guy? ;)
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Tebow's decisions on the zone read have been lacking
That play was a clear outside pitch, and he went with the dive. It’s happened a couple times. Maybe he’s gotten too used to it being the only option.
Snap ruined that
Moody will be blamed by Florida’s coaching staff
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It was James, but Tebow fumbled it
Not that it matters. Addazio has cost us 10 points, Cooper has cost us 7.
I’m building my Addazio dummy now. Should I hang it in effigy or burn it at the stake? Hanging is a statement for a lengthy time, but burning is more dramatic.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Moody will still be blamed
I think the Florida coaches hold every bad play on offense against him. Otherwise, he would have played more by now.
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Arkansas leads and Spikes is out of the game
Could this have started worse for Florida, barring a reconcussed Tebow
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Florida has good field position
Can they hold onto the ball?
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Arkansas 10, Florida 3 -- Halftime
Thoughts:
I’m not sure if Florida is losing this game or Arkansas is winning. The Razorbacks have played good defense at times and good offense at times, but Florida has certainly helped with turnovers and at times bad offense.
Florida seems a little bit surprised to even be in a game. Something is off or out of sync, I don’t quite know how to describe it.
After a rough start, Mallett seems to be getting gradually more comfortable. Florida best hope that doesn’t continue, or they could be in for a long game.
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NO WE DO NOT HAVE TO JUST TIGHTEN UP, MEYER
And we are not playing hard! Not on offense.
More than anything, those couple sentences have me believing we’re going to lose. If he can’t see a lack of focus in this team, we’re doomed.
Okay, Verne, it's a surprise
That’s kind of the point of upsets. Stop saying it.
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The offence doesn’t have an identity right now, and Arky’s just good enough defensively to take advantage. And there’s definitely an edge missing, though I’m not sure how exactly to define it.
The defence has been pretty good, though losing Spikes definitely hurts, and there have been some rough moments, so to speak.
Hey – how come we can’t ever be the ones to bust a big play? (Besides Cooper not catching the ball.)
Arkansas 10, Florida 6 -- 10:53 3Q
51-yard FG by Caleb Sturgis
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OBVIOUS MAN COVERAGE AND WE CAN'T CALL A FRIGGIN HIGH SCHOOL AUDIBLE?!
This is the most pathetic crap I’ve ever seen. Man coverage telegraphed and we have 5 receivers run curls and hooks. Hot route ONE OF THEM to go to the end zone and it’s 60/40 a TD.
Unbelievable.
Addazio might actually be less secure in his employment tomorrow than Willie Martinez
Amazing
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Mallett went the wrong way on that one
If he’d run to his right, he’d still be running
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Quick three and out
Arkansas should get the ball back in pretty good field position
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Strike that
Very good field position for Arkansas on this one
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They allow bourbon in the Swamp?
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.
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God almighty he almost stumbled.
Remember that sack when we had man coverage? That’s what should have been called. With DT’s speed, it’s a TD almost every time.
This is so elementary. Why are we struggling so bad.
And we suddenly forgot how to wrap up
Watch the defense blow this now that the offense got something.
Like the UGA game in 2007, especially in the second half – one unit or the other would play well at a time, but never both together.
Wow
Mallett missed him and the fullback trips. Otherwise, Arkansas leads.
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Florida 13, Arkansas 13 -- 0:07 3Q
I know Florida fans won’t appreciate this very much, but this has been a whale of a football game.
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Whale of football games that involve Florida
also involve coronaries for myself. The only loss I’ve been able to immediately step back from and admire was LSU in 2007. If we lose this game, this will not be the case.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s confident in his scrambling ability, I guess, but especially when there’s no-one in the backfield he does need to learn to get rid of the ball if there’s nothing positive to be done with it.
He used to pull the ball down and run
Now he stays in the pocket or scrambles, and he gets sacked. Most of these sacks are on the lack of blocking, but at least 2 are on Tebow.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
If Mallett had any kind of accuracy today, this game would be over by now
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And if Arky hadn’t recovered every single one of the six combined fumbles in the game… it would be over by now.
We should have Johnson spied
he’s all they’ve got, apparently.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahmad Black has never been a very good coverage safety
He’s a ball hawk who can hit, but he gets burned once in a while. “A while” just happened.
Tough call. He had his hands on him
but the ball was too underthrown for the CB to do anything but interfere.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't see the second one.
Was it as bad as Danielson said?
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Amazing turn of events
No, I’m just kidding. The only thing amazing is the shamelessness and predictability of the refs rising to the occasion by seeing what they expect to see.
Not that you know anything about getting bad penalties during a potential upset in the Swamp, right?
Oh, yeah.
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Right on
Actually (joking aside) I don’t think it’s part of some conspiracy to help Florida win. I just think refs see what they expect to see, and when an upset is brewing they really expect to see the underdog melt down.
Especially galling now that Tejada missed again.
So what do you do if you're Florida?
Go for the home run to finish the game, or give six or seven more yards to try a FG?
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Florida escapes with help from the officials
Yes, Alabama fans. You’re safe at No. 1 for at least another week as long as you win tonight.
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I have now seen the worst personal foul call in the history of football
I can’t even think of a close second.
________________________________
Eric Berry is better at football than you.
He should have allowed himself to be blocked
Everything would have been fine.
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A diatribe against the officials recap of the Florida-Arkansas game is here.
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A less than perfect start
for USC. I was counting on this being a good game. Virtually nothing else good on the slate.
GaTech v VaTech could be exciting – if the Hokies go down that would scramble the picture outside the top 3 considerably. I have it on ESPN2 here.
That's true
I missed that one as I was scrolling.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
McElroy needs to have some sort of a groove
He looked like crap vs. OM. He doesn’t want to turn this into a streak. Two bad INTs already in this game.
Scoreboard
Ole Miss 14, UAB 0 — 11:09 2Q
Auburn 7, Kentucky 0 — 3:42 1Q
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USC needs to score
If Bama gets a sizable lead, they can run down your throat so much you’ll look up and an entire quarter disappeared.
Alabama has thrown three interceptions and been flagged for PI twice
And they still lead by 10, though those PI calls could change that — knock on wood.
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I've never seen so many jump balls and possible INTs
in one quarter as this one. It’s like backyard football.
Both of these teams are playing extraordinarily bad football right now
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First quarter included two completions, four turnovers and seven penalties
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South Carolina recovers the bad snap by Alabama
Offensive ineptitude pending
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Does anyone in this game not named Mark Ingram know how to play football?
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If I were USC, I'd sell out against the run until McElroy beats me
Also, that is the easiest trivia question ever.
I didn't think it could be a major college football award until Alabama won it
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I think you're thinking of
“legitimacy of small town newspapers awarding National Titles.”
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Bama-SC sounds so dreadful that I’m voluntarily watching an ACC game. (Granted, it’s an important and exciting one, but still…)
It's dreadful, but entertaining.
WOOO Garcia completion big yards! This is a football game.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Just to answer some concerns
I will have more on Arkansas-Florida in the weekly wrapup. I wanted to get the officiating thing out of the way on the day-of recap so I could deal with the football later.
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I was a bit harsh on you in the comments – sorry. But I do get tired of people jumping right to officiating as an explanation.
Understandable
I was frustrated because I generally think the officials do a good job. (There’s only one game for even my team that I’ve ever claimed was caused by a bad call.) But in the space of two weeks, they’ve ruined two good games.
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Thanks.
I was honestly concerned the blogosphere was going to so apeshit over the terrible calls that the game itself, which was damn good, was going to get overlooked. Arkansas’ D, their RB, Tebow’s play in the 4th, UF’s D standing up when the O put them in SO many holes, and Sturgis deserve a lot of words, IMO.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Bama has a sliver-wide weakness
in the deep secondary. They play so tight in coverage you can bust one after not even getting a completion for 10 plays.
Moe, I'm sorry I yelled at you when I thought you had fumbled
Please get up.
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Good news!
Although part of me wants UF to get bumped down. They clearly need a huge dose of motivation.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think Meyer and Strong el are exercising their vocal chords tonight. Personally I’d have no problem with Florida being #3, but this has been one ugly week of football in the top ten. Florida was dreadful, Bama’s uninspired, Texas was unsightly, VaTech lost, Boise St (a couple of days ago) didn’t exactly put on a show, USC won but not too comfortably, Ohio State was upset horribly, Miami’s making heavy weather against a serious underdog… just about the only top-10 team that looked really thoroughly competent was Cincinnati, and their QB is out for an indefinite period, which puts the damper on their hopes. Even getting a Mumme Poll-style undifferentiated top 12 is going to be tough.
I'm not sure Moe Brown has moved at this point. He's now immobilized
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That was weird
Watching the South Carolina game…the screen goes black, and then all of a sudden it is in high definition after having been in regular definition up to this point.
The line between genius and idiot
is very thin, indeed.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Mark Ingram and the Defense 10, Columbia High School 3 -- 3:14 2Q
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Erin Andrews, very concerned about Brown
“Any spinal cord injuries or anything like that.” said like she was talking about the liquor selection at the crush party.
Aaaaand that’s a dagger.
SEC refs etc.
Undefeated power at home etc.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
An American Football Game Has Broken Out...
at a Defensive Scrimmage in Tuscaloosa, Alabama.
More at 10.
FSU beating BYU at home remains the most baffling upset of the year, IMO
And probably of the past several years. They are so bad.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd make a FLOATFLOATFLOAT joke
but those weren’t really floats. The rare line drive fade pass.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It's all about the greatness of Tim Tebow
Why show anything besides that?
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Not even a passing mention of "questionable calls"
Hopefully they’ll do a bit more in depth “coverage” on Gameday Final/Sportscenter.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
UAB finally scored
That’s one team that should really be considered for demotion to FCS. Awful.
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And both teams have returned to their third-quarter ineffectiveness
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I've seen some ticky-tack block in the back calls before
That one was not one of them.
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I have competing thoughts about this game
1) I do not like Alabama.
2) I have some affection for USC.
3) UF all but sows up the SEC East if Bama wins.
What to do…
Are worried that Florida won't be able to beat South Carolina?
Root for the Gamecocks.
What’s the matter, you aren’t chicken, are ya?
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by The Feathered Warrior on Oct 17, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I am worried about that
But UF would have to lose to one of UGA/Vandy/MSU as well to lose the East. And USC would have to win out in the SEC after tonight.
I’ll agree with peachy. An ugly Bama win (puke)
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait....
SOS is wearing a hat with cloth covering the top of his head?
Someone get that man some scissors!
They need a TD bad.
The D can’t contain Ingram much longer.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Garcia: Get out of your head!
He makes an amazing through on the run to his left, then follows it up with a gross over throw of what would have been a touchdown.
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by The Feathered Warrior on Oct 17, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
*throw
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by The Feathered Warrior on Oct 17, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
What a stupid time to take a sack
Incredible. Points are at such a premium right now, and that might cost them 3.
It's not a lost art for Stephen Garcia
He’s never found it to begin with.
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Incredible.
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by The Feathered Warrior on Oct 17, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Anything that extends the hilarity of Dan Hawkins' twitter
and motivational BS is a good thing in my book.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
They feel like they have to try?
Garcia’s on a good little roll here. Spurdog should ride him til he brainfarts again, at least.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 17, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Game.
Over.
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by The Feathered Warrior on Oct 17, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
Big drive from Kansas, but not big enough – another ranked team goes down, and the Big-12 North gets a little more muddled. (If anyone cares.)
You know, if Okie State holds off Mizzou – and they’re up a TD at the half – K-State would be our current leader in the North. That’s almost as weird as BC leading the ACC-Atlantic… though not quite in the same category of oddness as Virginia leading the Coastal. That’s right, the division containing VaTech, GaTech, Miami and UNC is currently topped by a team that couldn’t beat William & Mary. (Of course, the Cavaliers get GaTech and Miami during the next three weeks, so their pre-eminence really shouldn’t last. Even the ACC isn’t that bizarre, right?)
No one ever lost a dime underestimating the bizarreness of the ACC
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Boston College I could see as a division winner – their variance is enormous, but there’s no really complete team in the Atlantic (everyone else has at least three losses overall already.) But Virginia making a real run in the Coastal would be pretty surprising even by ACC standards… that’s a good division, and the Cavaliers are tops right now by virtue of scheduling and not much else.
Still, you’re right – the ACC does unpredictability like no-one else.
First Division and Second Division?
I can’t wait for them to adopt promotion/relegation.
I think I'll stay with Mizzou-Oklahoma State
Washington-Arizona State doesn’t sound that interesting, and with Petros Papadakis calling that game it’s really not even a fair fight.
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